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I figure we can post all tire related things in one topic to see how the Michelin tires evolve over the course of the 2016 season.

There's been a lot of grumbling about the front tire not being as strong as the Bridgestone front was, but I think this is more of a case of the usual bitching of guys just not being adapted to the new fronts yet.

Bradley Smith had something interesting to see about the rear.


MotoGP News - MotoGP: Smith 'Michelin rear hooks around the corner'

The difference in grip character between MotoGP's new Michelin tyres and the former Bridgestone rubber is also reflected in the racing lines being taken out on track.

While the stand-out feature of the Japanese rubber was its front grip, it is the rear tyre that excels for Michelin. And it's not only bike design and set-up that needs to adapt, the riders are also changing their technique.

“The thing that we're able to do with the Michelins that we weren't able to do with the Bridgestones is carry more lean angle on more throttle,” explained Monster Yamaha Tech 3's Bradley Smith. “You can actually get the bike to hook around the corner from the rear tyre a little bit more.

“Whereas with the Bridgestones, you had to kind of go in and then you sat for a little while, while it spun, and then you had to pick it up and go. But with the Michelin, if you touch the throttle early, it hooks around the corner.

“I think that's why you're seeing a few different lines; it's actually guys have a bit more side grip than we've had here in the past.”

“Bridgestone also brought tyres here to be fully safe, after their drama with the two-part race [in 2013]. What we got in October was the softest compound front tyre that Bridgestone made, and an absolute rock in the rear.”

While riders have long been happy with the Michelin rear, progress was needed for the front, which initially offered a worrying lack of feedback. A significant step came in the form of a bigger profile, first given to the factory riders at Sepang and then available to the likes of Smith at Phillip Island.

“This new front tyre, slightly bigger profile, that's even better again,” Smith declared. “You can feel that bigger contact patch all the way in [to the corner], which is finally what we need. It steers like a truck, but we can force it round the corner, and we can make it work like that.

“It doesn't make it easy to ride, but it means you can carry the corner speed through and that's what finally gives us lap time. There's a few subtle things that we have to change for it. But really it's just bolt it in and go half a second quicker, which is nice.”

But there is clearly more work to be done: After two relatively incident-free days, the last day at Phillip Island saw no less than eleven riders fall - almost all due to losing the front.

The cooler than expected weather, plus trials of some harder front compounds were cited as factors, but with the opening race less than a month away riders will be eager for a less eventful final test in Qatar.
 
So obviously there was a change to the tires between the Sepang and Phillip Island tests.

The question is now obviously what do we get in terms of difference between the Phillip Island tires and the Losail tire test?

If we see Lorenzo having issues, or talking about "setup" issues and Rossi is saying the complete opposite, it'll be obvious we have another Saturday Night Special situation.
 
The first few races will be interesting but I think the same guys will be at the front. I think the guy who is willing to take the most risks early in the season will prevail.

Should be good. Be nice to see so elf the other riders closer to the front though.
 
This should be concerning to all fans.

It's another reason why the testing times should be taken with a grain of salt since we're going to see tire construct change most likely...and there are going to be winners and losers with this.

MotoGP: Number 34 or 36? Michelin?s big Qatar problem | Sport Rider

The riders did not stop complaining at Losail. "Michelin only brought us four of the good front tires, the rest are ones that are not available in the GPs. What is the point of using them? This is a disaster!"

The complaint was repeated along the pit row. If one were to hear only this version of the story, they would wonder if Michelin is making a mess of their return to MotoGP.

Of course, riders often only see their side of the story, and getting to the bottom of the situation requires we get the opposing side’s explanation. So we went to speak directly with Nicola Goubert, chief of Michelin in the GPs. Goubert’s account of the situation clarified why some riders were so upset.

Michelin's Two Wheel Racing boss Nicolas Goubert had some explaining to do regarding the front tire allocation at Qatar that had a lot of riders upset. Unfortunately Michelin is discovering some of the headaches that accompany being the spec tire supplier for MotoGP...

“The number 34 and 36 front tires that were introduced at the test in Sepang were replacing the previous number 1002,” explained Goubert. “The 34 and 36 tires give riders more surface contact at maximum inclination, all the way past the point where riders were falling up to now. The riders loved the new tire and between the two options unanimously chose the 34.”

“Between Sepang and Australia, we had to start manufacturing tires for the first GP, and we did so based on the feedback from the riders. But at Phillip Island, 36 performed the best and suddenly the riders went on to say that the preferred tire was this one and not 34...which was already being manufactured for the first GP and for testing here.

“So we brought both. Each rider will have four number 36 tires and three number 34 tires in the K compound, which is the soft compound. The first day, we gave five riders both versions to test and four of them chose the 36 over the other.”

With the production line manufacturing the number 34 K compound front tires, Michelin has suddenly gotten themselves into a problem, and the riders are protesting. But at least now we know why and it’s a situation we should follow closely. Especially when the tire preferences were ultimately divided. Maverick Viñales, who finished on top of the timesheets on Thursday and ultimately was third quickest in the test, did not want to use the number 34 tire; he only wanted to use the number 36. Lorenzo on the other hand, opted for the number 34. Rossi is undecided, Pedrosa liked the number 36, Marquez is undecided…it’s quite a mess.

So now the question is unavoidable: What will Michelin do? If it builds two different tire constructions in two different compounds, it will cost a good deal more than the regular path of a single construction in two different compounds. It’s clear that there will be riders who will be upset with the situation. What if they ultimately decide something that goes against the interests of say, Suzuki, a brand that is just starting to make their mark on the paddock?
 
Hi Barbs, welcome back.

Won't happen. Someone is going to get to choose everyone's tires. In secret.

Wouldn't it be great if every rider got to choose publicly now? Then we can see what they bring for the season opener.


..... That has such a ring of truth about it that it's quite depressing. [emoji19]

So testing is not only for development... it's real purpose is to figure out who needs to be hobbled by the motor home tyre mafia.
 
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..... That has such a ring of truth about it that it's quite depressing. [emoji19]

So testing is not only for development... it's real purpose is to figure out who needs to be hobbled by the motor home tyre mafia.

This year's championship is Rossi's to lose.

He said he is undecided about whether he likes the 34 or 36 compound...

I'm sure they're holding tire briefing sessions with him as we speak.

Saturday Night Specials redux.
 
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He has been shown up by his teammate so far in testing so he has to bridge the gap somehow
 
Tyre conspiracies are nothing new. For every positive outcome for one rider or machine, the opposition will credibly claim that they were disadvantaged in some way. It's similar in some way to the Michelin /Dunlop battles back in the day and I can't recall anyone saying that the wrong rider won the title. Probably just my memory though.
Roll on the first race so that we can get our teeth into some real made up stuff..
 
..... That has such a ring of truth about it that it's quite depressing. [emoji19]

So testing is not only for development... it's real purpose is to figure out who needs to be hobbled by the motor home tyre mafia.
For VR to say he is "undecided" is unacceptable. It allows him to decide in secret. Who here thinks Michelin would not choose the tire Rossi chooses? This is the man who said publicly he was considering not showing up to Valencia over what he perceived as an 'unfair' penalty. Does anybody think he would show up to contest a season on a tire he has not deemed suitable to him? In fact there is precedent! Rossi already said he would quit if he didn't get Bridgestones while on Michelins (absent the SNS era). What happened? The threat worked, he was the only rider given the green light to switch.

Would VR contest 2016 on a tire he didn't choose? Of course not. Keeping his decision secret as undecided gives him the opportunity to save face either way. Make him choose right now, BEFORE production starts. So we can see what had chosen.

Edit: Gives him the opportunity to choose in secret, then later say, nah that's not the tire I chose, ya see everybody, how great I am.
 
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Couldn't agree more. Like I said before Rossi is a politician and a complete T**t.

can you imagine what would happen if Lorenzo demanded a wall up and different tyres nowadays, his life wouldn't be worth living!!

I still think Lorenzo would beat him whatever tyre is chosen, he is mentally stronger
 
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I still think Lorenzo would beat him whatever tyre is chosen, he is mentally stronger

Revisit the PI test. (Actually we should rename them 'pre-season TIRES tests).

As you consider the results of the test, consider with your analysis that Lorenzo nearly won this race last year.

(Nearly won, until Marc helped Lorenzo by winning the race).
 
Yes Lorenzo was quicker overall at pi. At one of Rossi favourite tracks.

Rossi was beaten at pi in 2015 by a bike he created but couldnt ride (Ducati)
 
Yes Lorenzo was quicker overall at pi. At one of Rossi favourite tracks.

Rossi was beaten at pi in 2015 by a bike he created but couldnt ride (Ducati)
This was not the point I was trying to make friend. Perhaps I was too cryptic. Lorenzo struggled at the PI test, which by "coincidence " featured a 'new' tire.
 
I see, far too cryptic for my English brain!

Yeah agree Lorenzo struggled but was still quick in what was a very tight test.

The tyres will make a massive impact in early season, there will be lots of crashes I think unfortunately. be nice to see Suzuki up the front, they seem to suit the michelins.
 
I see, far too cryptic for my English brain!

Yeah agree Lorenzo struggled but was still quick in what was a very tight test.

The tyres will make a massive impact in early season, there will be lots of crashes I think unfortunately. be nice to see Suzuki up the front, they seem to suit the michelins.

Maybe I'm getting my tests mixed up, but I'm pretty sure Lorenzo only had 2 (or something like that) laps in the top 50. If that's correct, Jlo's test was a disaster.
 
Could get complicated . Could we see vr picking a tire based on the fact that either Lorenzo or Marc didn't like it? Sandbagging during the test?

Could Lorenzo find out which tire vr might like better and do a better time on that than on the one he really likes?

I know, they have to push to find out.

Adds another dimension to the mental game.
 

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