We've been discussing Michael Schumacher in another thread and I thought it would be nice to have a whole thread dedicated to Michael Schumacher himself. What do you think of him? Is he the best Formula 1 driver to ever live and is an icon for years to come or his he a cheat? I feel a lively debate coming on.
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Well its dificult to judge drivers from seperate eras, but i truly think that MS is the best driver of all time. He has done some controversial things, but thats just not how he won 7 world titles. Plus he saved Ferarris ..., 17 years without a title before he sorted out the entire team not just the car.
He is also not the bad person people make him out to be, i thought he came accross like one of the nicest guys in the paddock
He is also not the bad person people make him out to be, i thought he came accross like one of the nicest guys in the paddock
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 15 2007, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well its dificult to judge drivers from seperate eras, but i truly think that MS is the best driver of all time. He has done some controversial things, but thats just not how he won 7 world titles. Plus he saved Ferarris ..., 17 years without a title before he sorted out the entire team not just the car.
He is also not the bad person people make him out to be, i thought he came accross like one of the nicest guys in the paddock
How many titles would he of won if he hadn't cheated or taken someone off or played unfairly though?
He is also not the bad person people make him out to be, i thought he came accross like one of the nicest guys in the paddock
How many titles would he of won if he hadn't cheated or taken someone off or played unfairly though?
Best driver of the new millenium, worked wonders at Ferrari. Cheating only a small part of the equation in the end, an astonishing work ethic brought him more success than anyone in the history of the sport.
Lets not forget Ross Brawns input here though, without Ross he wouldn't have had all this success, at least not to the same extent. They were like F1's version of Rossi and Burgess.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 15 2007, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well its dificult to judge drivers from seperate eras, but i truly think that MS is the best driver of all time.
Difficult to say that one. As i said earlier, definetely the best driver of the new millenium. I think Senna and Clark have him beaten though, just. But thats just my opinion. The eras are so different its diffucult to say these things accurately.
Lets not forget Ross Brawns input here though, without Ross he wouldn't have had all this success, at least not to the same extent. They were like F1's version of Rossi and Burgess.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 15 2007, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well its dificult to judge drivers from seperate eras, but i truly think that MS is the best driver of all time.
Difficult to say that one. As i said earlier, definetely the best driver of the new millenium. I think Senna and Clark have him beaten though, just. But thats just my opinion. The eras are so different its diffucult to say these things accurately.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 15 2007, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Best driver of the new millenium, worked wonders at Ferrari. Cheating only a small part of the equation in the end, an astonishing work ethic brought him more success than anyone in the history of the sport.
Lets not forget Ross Brawns input here though, without Ross he wouldn't have had all this success, at least not to the same extent. They were like F1's version of Rossi and Burgess.
On that note (without going too far off topic), I heard that Ferrari could be heading into the slumps a little now that MS and Brawn have left. Schumacher would constantly be speaking to his team, filling them in on information about the day and so on, whereas Kimi Raikkonen barely ever tries to help and would rather just arrive, drive and ge tthe job done and go home and rest. Massa could well be the main person to help set up the car unless Raikkonen shows willing, this I doubt it.
Lets not forget Ross Brawns input here though, without Ross he wouldn't have had all this success, at least not to the same extent. They were like F1's version of Rossi and Burgess.
On that note (without going too far off topic), I heard that Ferrari could be heading into the slumps a little now that MS and Brawn have left. Schumacher would constantly be speaking to his team, filling them in on information about the day and so on, whereas Kimi Raikkonen barely ever tries to help and would rather just arrive, drive and ge tthe job done and go home and rest. Massa could well be the main person to help set up the car unless Raikkonen shows willing, this I doubt it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 15 2007, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well its dificult to judge drivers from seperate eras, but i truly think that MS is the best driver of all time. He has done some controversial things, but thats just not how he won 7 world titles. Plus he saved Ferarris ..., 17 years without a title before he sorted out the entire team not just the car.
He is also not the bad person people make him out to be, i thought he came accross like one of the nicest guys in the paddock
I agree with you Tom totally, I also draw a fair comparison between Michael and Valentino in their achievements, if not personalities. Michael was just more reserved.
He is also not the bad person people make him out to be, i thought he came accross like one of the nicest guys in the paddock
I agree with you Tom totally, I also draw a fair comparison between Michael and Valentino in their achievements, if not personalities. Michael was just more reserved.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Mar 15 2007, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On that note (without going too far off topic), I heard that Ferrari could be heading into the slumps a little now that MS and Brawn have left.
It's possible. Hate to use this example again, but can you imagine Yamaha if Rossi and Burgess left? Thats what Ferrari are facing
It's possible. Hate to use this example again, but can you imagine Yamaha if Rossi and Burgess left? Thats what Ferrari are facing
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 15 2007, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well its dificult to judge drivers from seperate eras, but i truly think that MS is the best driver of all time. He has done some controversial things, but thats just not how he won 7 world titles. Plus he saved Ferarris ..., 17 years without a title before he sorted out the entire team not just the car.
He is also not the bad person people make him out to be, i thought he came accross like one of the nicest guys in the paddock
I agree, it's really difficult to judge drivers from seperate eras. Therefore I think it's impossible to say who the best one is. For sure he's one of the best and definitely the best of his era.
I'm not a MS fan, but I do appreciate his achievements!
I dont even care bout all the statistics. Yes, he won 7 titles, and yes he has the pole record (and a lot more!!!), but I think, even if he didnt win 7 titles, he would still be considered as one of the greatest ever!!
Michael was a great talent when he entered F1. He showed everyone that he was different than the others. Michael is a very complete driver, no doubts about that. He's good in the dry, in the wet, in the quali, during the race. He's also not a lazy driver. He always worked very hard to achieve his aims. That's what I like about him so much.
Of course he pulled some dirty tricks in the past, but that only shows he wants to win at all costs. He doesnt'care about 2nd place. He's a real winner imo. I don't see him as a cheater.
He is also not the bad person people make him out to be, i thought he came accross like one of the nicest guys in the paddock
I agree, it's really difficult to judge drivers from seperate eras. Therefore I think it's impossible to say who the best one is. For sure he's one of the best and definitely the best of his era.
I'm not a MS fan, but I do appreciate his achievements!
I dont even care bout all the statistics. Yes, he won 7 titles, and yes he has the pole record (and a lot more!!!), but I think, even if he didnt win 7 titles, he would still be considered as one of the greatest ever!!
Michael was a great talent when he entered F1. He showed everyone that he was different than the others. Michael is a very complete driver, no doubts about that. He's good in the dry, in the wet, in the quali, during the race. He's also not a lazy driver. He always worked very hard to achieve his aims. That's what I like about him so much.
Of course he pulled some dirty tricks in the past, but that only shows he wants to win at all costs. He doesnt'care about 2nd place. He's a real winner imo. I don't see him as a cheater.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Mar 15 2007, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree, it's really difficult to judge drivers from seperate eras. Therefore I think it's impossible to say who the best one is. For sure he's one of the best and definitely the best of his era.
I'm not a MS fan, but I do appreciate his achievements!
I dont even care bout all the statistics. Yes, he won 7 titles, and yes he has the pole record (and a lot more!!!), but I think, even if he didnt win 7 titles, he would still be considered as one of the greatest ever!!
Michael was a great talent when he entered F1. He showed everyone that he was different than the others. Michael is a very complete driver, no doubts about that. He's good in the dry, in the wet, in the quali, during the race. He's also not a lazy driver. He always worked very hard to achieve his aims. That's what I like about him so much.
Of course he pulled some dirty tricks in the past, but that only shows he wants to win at all costs. He doesnt'care about 2nd place. He's a real winner imo. I don't see him as a cheater.
Okay then put it this way.
Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher, battling for the win for the world title at the final race of the season. Senna drives perfectly, Schumacher can't beat him, time is ticking away. Schumacher decides in the heat of the moment he's going to do anything it takes to win the world championship, so he butts Senna off into the gravel trap and ends his race, Schumacher wins and escapes the marshall's decision. He wins his 1st world title and begins his road to success.
Is this right?
I'm not a MS fan, but I do appreciate his achievements!
I dont even care bout all the statistics. Yes, he won 7 titles, and yes he has the pole record (and a lot more!!!), but I think, even if he didnt win 7 titles, he would still be considered as one of the greatest ever!!
Michael was a great talent when he entered F1. He showed everyone that he was different than the others. Michael is a very complete driver, no doubts about that. He's good in the dry, in the wet, in the quali, during the race. He's also not a lazy driver. He always worked very hard to achieve his aims. That's what I like about him so much.
Of course he pulled some dirty tricks in the past, but that only shows he wants to win at all costs. He doesnt'care about 2nd place. He's a real winner imo. I don't see him as a cheater.
Okay then put it this way.
Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher, battling for the win for the world title at the final race of the season. Senna drives perfectly, Schumacher can't beat him, time is ticking away. Schumacher decides in the heat of the moment he's going to do anything it takes to win the world championship, so he butts Senna off into the gravel trap and ends his race, Schumacher wins and escapes the marshall's decision. He wins his 1st world title and begins his road to success.
Is this right?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Mar 15 2007, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Okay then put it this way.
Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher, battling for the win for the world title at the final race of the season. Senna drives perfectly, Schumacher can't beat him, time is ticking away. Schumacher decides in the heat of the moment he's going to do anything it takes to win the world championship, so he butts Senna off into the gravel trap and ends his race, Schumacher wins and escapes the marshall's decision. He wins his 1st world title and begins his road to success.
Is this right?
Ayrton had his moments too!
That's what makes them greats.
Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher, battling for the win for the world title at the final race of the season. Senna drives perfectly, Schumacher can't beat him, time is ticking away. Schumacher decides in the heat of the moment he's going to do anything it takes to win the world championship, so he butts Senna off into the gravel trap and ends his race, Schumacher wins and escapes the marshall's decision. He wins his 1st world title and begins his road to success.
Is this right?
Ayrton had his moments too!
That's what makes them greats.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 15 2007, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Funny you should mention Senna, he was just as guilty in '90.
I wasn't even around in 1990, lay off!
I wasn't even around in 1990, lay off!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 15 2007, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Funny you should mention Senna, he was just as guilty in '90.
Exactly.
Exactly.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Mar 15 2007, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wasn't even around in 1990, lay off!
hehe, i know mate
BTW if you look on youtube now someone has uploaded most of the season reviews in F1 history race by race.. Great viewing!! And the Senna - Prost years were amazing
hehe, i know mate
BTW if you look on youtube now someone has uploaded most of the season reviews in F1 history race by race.. Great viewing!! And the Senna - Prost years were amazing
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Mar 15 2007, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hehe, i know mate
BTW if you look on youtube now someone has uploaded most of the season reviews in F1 history race by race.. Great viewing!! And the Senna - Prost years were amazing
I'm just about to start reading Ayrton Senna's biography which is like 1000 & summat pages long so I guess i'd know a bit more about him after i've read that.
I'll take a look at the videos tommorow when i'm not so tired.
BTW if you look on youtube now someone has uploaded most of the season reviews in F1 history race by race.. Great viewing!! And the Senna - Prost years were amazing
I'm just about to start reading Ayrton Senna's biography which is like 1000 & summat pages long so I guess i'd know a bit more about him after i've read that.
I'll take a look at the videos tommorow when i'm not so tired.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ Mar 15 2007, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The simple and correct answer is that he was a cheat.
Straight into the action! I LIKE IT!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Mar 15 2007, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm just about to start reading Ayrton Senna's biography which is like 1000 & summat pages long so I guess i'd know a bit more about him after i've read that.
I'll take a look at the videos tommorow when i'm not so tired.
You should definitely do that man!!
I never get tired of watching those senna videos. My brother is a huge MS fan, and also a huge AS fan. He has all of senna's wins on dvd, so whenever I have time I try to watch them. It's great man!! You should watch Donnington 93, a real masterpiece from Ayrton.
I wish I saw him race when he was still alive, but I started watching after imola 94
I'll take a look at the videos tommorow when i'm not so tired.
You should definitely do that man!!
I never get tired of watching those senna videos. My brother is a huge MS fan, and also a huge AS fan. He has all of senna's wins on dvd, so whenever I have time I try to watch them. It's great man!! You should watch Donnington 93, a real masterpiece from Ayrton.
I wish I saw him race when he was still alive, but I started watching after imola 94
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Mar 15 2007, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Straight into the action! I LIKE IT!!
I like to make myself clear!
I like to make myself clear!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Mar 15 2007, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You should definitely do that man!!
I never get tired of watching those senna videos. My brother is a huge MS fan, and also a huge AS fan. He has all of senna's wins on dvd, so whenever I have time I try to watch them. It's great man!! You should watch Donnington 93, a real masterpiece from Ayrton.
I wish I saw him race when he was still alive, but I started watching after imola 94
Could I just ask - why is your forum username: 'Franco Fangio' if you're a huge AS fan? Cheers.
I never get tired of watching those senna videos. My brother is a huge MS fan, and also a huge AS fan. He has all of senna's wins on dvd, so whenever I have time I try to watch them. It's great man!! You should watch Donnington 93, a real masterpiece from Ayrton.
I wish I saw him race when he was still alive, but I started watching after imola 94
Could I just ask - why is your forum username: 'Franco Fangio' if you're a huge AS fan? Cheers.
