I am a fan of Mladin's, but if he cheated he got what he deserved.
LINK: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080821atf.htm
LINK: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080821atf.htm
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Aug 21 2008, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am a fan of Mladin's, but if he cheated he got what he deserved.
LINK: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080821atf.htm
I wonder which infraction he had on his bike and if it actually made the difference. I guess that Spies is the champion then.
This is very bad for AMA, while they looked jusst like MOTOGP with a two horse race, now its just one and pretty bad.
If you were too look into Lex's crystal ball would you see powers that be working in Spies' favor for a move to MOTOGP.
LINK: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080821atf.htm
I wonder which infraction he had on his bike and if it actually made the difference. I guess that Spies is the champion then.
This is very bad for AMA, while they looked jusst like MOTOGP with a two horse race, now its just one and pretty bad.
If you were too look into Lex's crystal ball would you see powers that be working in Spies' favor for a move to MOTOGP.
something tells me this is a political thing. dmg against the oem's. the championship is over. spies's 3rd.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 21 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder which infraction he had on his bike and if it actually made the difference. I guess that Spies is the champion then.
This is very bad for AMA, while they looked just like MOTOGP with a two horse race, now its just one and pretty bad.
If you were too look into Lex's crystal ball would you see powers that be working in Spies' favor for a move to MOTOGP.
I dunno if I would go that far. I think frosty's idea is more plausible. Political.
This is very bad for AMA, while they looked just like MOTOGP with a two horse race, now its just one and pretty bad.
If you were too look into Lex's crystal ball would you see powers that be working in Spies' favor for a move to MOTOGP.
I dunno if I would go that far. I think frosty's idea is more plausible. Political.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 21 2008, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>something tells me this is a political thing. dmg against the oem's. the championship is over. spies's 3rd.
For what its worth,the championship was as good as over anyway.Yes Mladin could have still won but something would have had to happen to Spies for him to do it.Mladin could have got pole,led the most laps and won all remaing races and all Spies had to do was finish second in the remaining races to win the title.I hope Bens 3rd title is not remembered in a way that would tarnish it.You know damn good and well,5 years from now you will hear some squidbilly at the track saying DMG ...... Mat out of a title.
For what its worth,the championship was as good as over anyway.Yes Mladin could have still won but something would have had to happen to Spies for him to do it.Mladin could have got pole,led the most laps and won all remaing races and all Spies had to do was finish second in the remaining races to win the title.I hope Bens 3rd title is not remembered in a way that would tarnish it.You know damn good and well,5 years from now you will hear some squidbilly at the track saying DMG ...... Mat out of a title.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 21 2008, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>something tells me this is a political thing. dmg against the oem's. the championship is over. spies's 3rd.
Yep. Harris and Mladin have arguably been DMG's biggest critics. For reference, NASCAR drivers are "sent to the trailer" to talk with series officials and fined whenever they speak out against the organization.
Yep. Harris and Mladin have arguably been DMG's biggest critics. For reference, NASCAR drivers are "sent to the trailer" to talk with series officials and fined whenever they speak out against the organization.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Aug 21 2008, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am a fan of Mladin's, but if he cheated he got what he deserved.
LINK: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080821atf.htm
Now that there is no question regarding the legality of traction control, I have a hard time believing Yoshimura felt the need to cheat. I mean, how sneaky can a team be? How bad can AMA tech inspectors be?
Mladin and Harris had the gall to disagree with the almighty France family. Now Boss Hog is getting his revenge.
Remember, the deadline for entering the Factory Superbike class passed recently with no takers. DMG had even more reason to feel slighted. What a mess...
LINK: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080821atf.htm
Now that there is no question regarding the legality of traction control, I have a hard time believing Yoshimura felt the need to cheat. I mean, how sneaky can a team be? How bad can AMA tech inspectors be?
Mladin and Harris had the gall to disagree with the almighty France family. Now Boss Hog is getting his revenge.
Remember, the deadline for entering the Factory Superbike class passed recently with no takers. DMG had even more reason to feel slighted. What a mess...
What a mess the AMA has become. It's true that Ben more or less had this year wrapped up, due to Mat's two bad races at Miller. When these guys finish 1/2 every race there isn't room for error. Next year, if there is one, is going to be interesting.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Aug 21 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now that there is no question regarding the legality of traction control, I have a hard time believing Yoshimura felt the need to cheat. I mean, how sneaky can a team be? How bad can AMA tech inspectors be?
Mladin and Harris had the gall to disagree with the almighty France family. Now Boss Hog is getting his revenge.
Remember, the deadline for entering the Factory Superbike class passed recently with no takers. DMG had even more reason to feel slighted. What a mess...
Shupe, you gotta understand there are 2 sets of rules in the AMA--just like life. There are the de jure rules and the de facto rules. Most teams in the AMA are out of compliance b/c the AMA has lost control and they can't DQ half the field every race. Like drug testing in the NFL, they don't look that closely.
This situation is akin to small town police law enforcement. One day you're driving 5 over, barely rolling through stop signs with no seatbelt and your registration out by 1 month. The cops don't care.
Your wife doesn't invite the cop's wife to coffee or she insults her dress. The next day you wake up and do everything exactly the same, but his time you get $500 in citations.
Mladin and Harris had the gall to disagree with the almighty France family. Now Boss Hog is getting his revenge.
Remember, the deadline for entering the Factory Superbike class passed recently with no takers. DMG had even more reason to feel slighted. What a mess...
Shupe, you gotta understand there are 2 sets of rules in the AMA--just like life. There are the de jure rules and the de facto rules. Most teams in the AMA are out of compliance b/c the AMA has lost control and they can't DQ half the field every race. Like drug testing in the NFL, they don't look that closely.
This situation is akin to small town police law enforcement. One day you're driving 5 over, barely rolling through stop signs with no seatbelt and your registration out by 1 month. The cops don't care.
Your wife doesn't invite the cop's wife to coffee or she insults her dress. The next day you wake up and do everything exactly the same, but his time you get $500 in citations.
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DMG are NOT in charge yet. So lets not all go trying to place the blame on them. They were NOT in his garage wrenching on his bike! Mladin felt pressure to cheat seeing that a title was possible. He got caught. I don't put it past them one bit. No, not political and no sabotage from DMG, that's crazy. He cheated, got caught. I just wonder how many other times he did it and got away with it.
As far as move for MotoGP, he is effectively out.
Spies 2008 CHAMP
Mladin 2008 CHEATER!
As far as move for MotoGP, he is effectively out.
Spies 2008 CHAMP
Mladin 2008 CHEATER!
Just curious what you guys think. Does a rider know every time a non-compliant part is used on his bike? Do you think the mechanics always will tell the rider they are using questionable parts? Do you think Mladin requested the non-standard crank in this case for an advantage or was it simply that the machine design wasn't in spec due to engineering?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Aug 22 2008, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just curious what you guys think. Does a rider know every time a non-compliant part is used on his bike? Do you think the mechanics always will tell the rider they are using questionable parts? Do you think Mladin requested the non-standard crank in this case for an advantage or was it simply that the machine design wasn't in spec due to engineering?
Hard to say, imo.
They really aren't supposed to be doing much of anything to the crankshaft. Suzuki are known for getting cute with the rules--it's how they've captured the series. They probably modified the crank and hoped they could win a semantics battle during the appeal. Mladin gave a nod when they asked if he wanted to try a modded crank. I don't think Suzuki told him he'd get disqualified, I'm sure he didn't ask either.
This type of rampant cheating is exactly what DMG are trying to cut out of the sport. I wouldn't be surprised if the AMA were happy to exercise their "new" powers as the governing body. In 2009 that's all the AMA will be. I suspect they are practicing for next year and crossing baddies off of DMG's list.
Hard to say, imo.
They really aren't supposed to be doing much of anything to the crankshaft. Suzuki are known for getting cute with the rules--it's how they've captured the series. They probably modified the crank and hoped they could win a semantics battle during the appeal. Mladin gave a nod when they asked if he wanted to try a modded crank. I don't think Suzuki told him he'd get disqualified, I'm sure he didn't ask either.
This type of rampant cheating is exactly what DMG are trying to cut out of the sport. I wouldn't be surprised if the AMA were happy to exercise their "new" powers as the governing body. In 2009 that's all the AMA will be. I suspect they are practicing for next year and crossing baddies off of DMG's list.
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There goes his title challenge.
Nearly every championship is pretty much over now with Rossi having a commanding lead in MotoGP, Bayliss in WSBK, Byrne in BSB and now Spies in AMA.
Wonder if Mladin decided on his own to go with the illigal swingarm or if Yoshimura had a big say in the choice, if so then maybe they are trying to fix it for Ben to win the title.
Nearly every championship is pretty much over now with Rossi having a commanding lead in MotoGP, Bayliss in WSBK, Byrne in BSB and now Spies in AMA.
Wonder if Mladin decided on his own to go with the illigal swingarm or if Yoshimura had a big say in the choice, if so then maybe they are trying to fix it for Ben to win the title.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Aug 22 2008, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just curious what you guys think. Does a rider know every time a non-compliant part is used on his bike?
He might he might not. Look, these guys on the team hang out together a lot and are pretty good friends. I think "if" Mladin didn't know he would be upset with them and the relationship would have suffered greatly. So I'm going to say he did know. Kawasaki has been DQ twice, Honda DQ at Daytona. So they are trying dubious stuff. I'm thinking they don't always get caught, but they are looking for an edge.
My thinking is he got a bit desperate. Mladin has training very hard (just look at the guy, he looks like he has AIDS). I think he was close enough to try anything to win another title and go off into the sunset saying .... you to DMG. But he got caught. He is not stupid. I think he even made more of his sore throat thing just to make it look like he was dealing with health issue so as not to let Spies be the hero with his health struggles.
Obviously we are only speculating here, but it's my opinion that he knew, and h got caught. The real question is, what will be the backroom deal to rescind the DQ to keep the championship interesting. Its not like the AMA haven't awarded phantom Red Flags for these two to get back up and continue battling, giving us gullible fans the WWF spectacle we paid for.
He might he might not. Look, these guys on the team hang out together a lot and are pretty good friends. I think "if" Mladin didn't know he would be upset with them and the relationship would have suffered greatly. So I'm going to say he did know. Kawasaki has been DQ twice, Honda DQ at Daytona. So they are trying dubious stuff. I'm thinking they don't always get caught, but they are looking for an edge.
My thinking is he got a bit desperate. Mladin has training very hard (just look at the guy, he looks like he has AIDS). I think he was close enough to try anything to win another title and go off into the sunset saying .... you to DMG. But he got caught. He is not stupid. I think he even made more of his sore throat thing just to make it look like he was dealing with health issue so as not to let Spies be the hero with his health struggles.
Obviously we are only speculating here, but it's my opinion that he knew, and h got caught. The real question is, what will be the backroom deal to rescind the DQ to keep the championship interesting. Its not like the AMA haven't awarded phantom Red Flags for these two to get back up and continue battling, giving us gullible fans the WWF spectacle we paid for.
So far Yoshimura has appealed the decision. Let's not tar and feather the man until the dust settles completely. It is hard to believe they would gain a significant advantage with a crankshaft, but then again I am not an engineer.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 22 2008, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its not like the AMA haven't awarded phantom Red Flags for these two to get back up and continue battling, giving us gullible fans the WWF spectacle we paid for.
Ha, that reminds me of last year, I can't remember the race but Speis had a mini highside and went down and just layed on the track grabbing his nutts. That was the best red flag of them all. Its also funny what we have seen these guys do to get the red flag. Spies laying on the track was not very smart, albeit on the side of the track. I would have to get hit pretty hard for me not to scramble off the track after going down. It is very dangerous, we have seen two deaths this year by other bikes hitting another person.
Ha, that reminds me of last year, I can't remember the race but Speis had a mini highside and went down and just layed on the track grabbing his nutts. That was the best red flag of them all. Its also funny what we have seen these guys do to get the red flag. Spies laying on the track was not very smart, albeit on the side of the track. I would have to get hit pretty hard for me not to scramble off the track after going down. It is very dangerous, we have seen two deaths this year by other bikes hitting another person.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 22 2008, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its not like the AMA haven't awarded phantom Red Flags for these two to get back up and continue battling, giving us gullible fans the WWF spectacle we paid for.
What was race control supposed to do with riders laying down next to the track?
Just wait until DMG's work begins in earnest. If the endurance races are instituted, I bet we'll see a lot of pace-car periods. It's how they do business...
What was race control supposed to do with riders laying down next to the track?
Just wait until DMG's work begins in earnest. If the endurance races are instituted, I bet we'll see a lot of pace-car periods. It's how they do business...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Aug 23 2008, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What was race control supposed to do with riders laying down next to the track?
Just wait until DMG's work begins in earnest. If the endurance races are instituted, I bet we'll see a lot of pace-car periods. It's how they do business...
Oh I agree with the red flags, I just think they were created by Spies and Mladin pretending. Interesting, but both times they both got up, they managed to finish 2nd. Yeah, real hurt.
I can't stand the Suntrust MotoST series. It looks ........ to me.
So you think they will have those "competition yellows"?
Just wait until DMG's work begins in earnest. If the endurance races are instituted, I bet we'll see a lot of pace-car periods. It's how they do business...
Oh I agree with the red flags, I just think they were created by Spies and Mladin pretending. Interesting, but both times they both got up, they managed to finish 2nd. Yeah, real hurt.
I can't stand the Suntrust MotoST series. It looks ........ to me.
So you think they will have those "competition yellows"?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Aug 22 2008, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just curious what you guys think. Does a rider know every time a non-compliant part is used on his bike? Do you think the mechanics always will tell the rider they are using questionable parts? Do you think Mladin requested the non-standard crank in this case for an advantage or was it simply that the machine design wasn't in spec due to engineering?
i would be surprised if the rider new all the in's and out of his engine internals and what effect any mods would have. i think this was either the team boss cheating or an honest mistake. either way it was an infraction of the rules and punishment served.
i would be surprised if the rider new all the in's and out of his engine internals and what effect any mods would have. i think this was either the team boss cheating or an honest mistake. either way it was an infraction of the rules and punishment served.
It does seem a bit strange that only one Yoshimura bike was checked. What about Ben and Tommy's bike?
