Yes he was, when he was he great new hope. Until he wasn’t.
After that he is paid to not ruffle any feathers.
At this point, Márquez could run over his .... and he would say “please sir, can I have some more”?
Yes he was, when he was he great new hope. Until he wasn’t.
After that he is paid to not ruffle any feathers.
At this point, Márquez could run over his .... and he would say “please sir, can I have some more”?
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And this takes the conversation nicely away from Zarco owning the factory bikes and his manager’s claim that Rossi blocked him at Yamaha.
There’s no smoke without fire and Valentino has been shrouded in it for many years.
Despite the diversion, I still say Dani has earned his spot over the years. Colin has said on tv that he didn’t have to.
There’s no smoke without fire and Valentino has been shrouded in it for many years.
Despite the diversion, I still say Dani has earned his spot over the years. Colin has said on tv that he didn’t have to.
Taking nothing away from the conversation. I made my point about the Zarco several posts ago, straight to the point.
You on the other hand, decided to steer the conversation towards Colin Edwards, who had nothing to do with the topic.
Back to the point though, everyone is up in arms that a guy contracted directly to an independent team with a clear cut contract to ride year old motorcycles (even though he ended up getting more than that), just because Rossi is in the factory team.
Wonder why no one here is upset that Cal and Jack, who are and were contracted to HRC directly and have actually won MotoGP races get second rate equipment (Or in Jack’s case, bottom of the barrel).
What doesn’t suit the forum narrative, gets shoved under the carpet.
You on the other hand, decided to steer the conversation towards Colin Edwards, who had nothing to do with the topic.
Back to the point though, everyone is up in arms that a guy contracted directly to an independent team with a clear cut contract to ride year old motorcycles (even though he ended up getting more than that), just because Rossi is in the factory team.
Wonder why no one here is upset that Cal and Jack, who are and were contracted to HRC directly and have actually won MotoGP races get second rate equipment (Or in Jack’s case, bottom of the barrel).
What doesn’t suit the forum narrative, gets shoved under the carpet.
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Actually I responded on two fronts, one regarding why Zarco probably has a similar spec bike to the factory boys and two regarding the blocking accusation.
I cited Colin Edwards’ statement to support the evidence that Valentino prefers to choose a weaker teammate (granted Lorenzo and Viñales were done whether or not he objected, we don’t know), a fact which “could” lead to better riders being blocked.
I cited Colin Edwards’ statement to support the evidence that Valentino prefers to choose a weaker teammate (granted Lorenzo and Viñales were done whether or not he objected, we don’t know), a fact which “could” lead to better riders being blocked.
The fallacy in claiming Rossi blocking Zarco from getting signed by Movistar Yamaha is multifold.
- One, that suggests that he considers Viñales to be a weak teammate and would much rather have him on the team than Zarco. The entire narrative last year was that Viñales is a strong teammate and Rossi fears that. You can’t have it both ways.
- Two, as described above, Zarco has gotten better equipment than any Tech 3 rider in recent times has ever got. That’s above and beyond what Tech 3 usually gets.
- Three, the only way Yamaha could have kept Zarco was to offer him a direct factory contract and bike and kept him in Tech 3. We would never know if any discussions ever took place because Tech 3 signed with KTM rather early. Citing the incident of Yamaha asking T3 to sign Bagnaia last year and Herve saying it was not possible, which is when the KTM deal became evident. Knowingly or unknowingly, Herve might have torpedoed Zarco’s chances of getting a factory spec Yamaha.
- Four, Zarco didn’t want to sign with HRC because he didn’t want to play second fiddle to Márquez. How would that turn out if he was in the factory Yamaha team?
Once again, a grain of truth overblown by French diva drama. And the conspiracy theorists eat it up.
In a year, when he is fighting for p10 on a KTM, Zarco will wish he had an old Yamaha to ride around.
- One, that suggests that he considers Viñales to be a weak teammate and would much rather have him on the team than Zarco. The entire narrative last year was that Viñales is a strong teammate and Rossi fears that. You can’t have it both ways.
- Two, as described above, Zarco has gotten better equipment than any Tech 3 rider in recent times has ever got. That’s above and beyond what Tech 3 usually gets.
- Three, the only way Yamaha could have kept Zarco was to offer him a direct factory contract and bike and kept him in Tech 3. We would never know if any discussions ever took place because Tech 3 signed with KTM rather early. Citing the incident of Yamaha asking T3 to sign Bagnaia last year and Herve saying it was not possible, which is when the KTM deal became evident. Knowingly or unknowingly, Herve might have torpedoed Zarco’s chances of getting a factory spec Yamaha.
- Four, Zarco didn’t want to sign with HRC because he didn’t want to play second fiddle to Márquez. How would that turn out if he was in the factory Yamaha team?
Once again, a grain of truth overblown by French diva drama. And the conspiracy theorists eat it up.
In a year, when he is fighting for p10 on a KTM, Zarco will wish he had an old Yamaha to ride around.
- One, he possibly does as he sees he can beat him
- Two, irrelevant to the topic of VR not wanting Rossi next to him
- Three, no relevant to the topic not wanting Rossi next to him
- Four, nowhere it was written that he declined because he did not want to be second fiddle to MM, they only said it was not an option because MM was there which could also be understood that not many people would have a chance at winning under normal and equal circumstances
In a year, when Zarco and Lorenzo (wishful thinking on JL) is ahead of VR is the day that Yamaha will be really sorry for having let go such great riders for a rider that should have retired long time ago.
- Two, irrelevant to the topic of VR not wanting Rossi next to him
- Three, no relevant to the topic not wanting Rossi next to him
- Four, nowhere it was written that he declined because he did not want to be second fiddle to MM, they only said it was not an option because MM was there which could also be understood that not many people would have a chance at winning under normal and equal circumstances
In a year, when Zarco and Lorenzo (wishful thinking on JL) is ahead of VR is the day that Yamaha will be really sorry for having let go such great riders for a rider that should have retired long time ago.
Yes, I doubt it is Vinales' seat which Zarco thinks he should have. He also isn't 22 himself and possibly thinks he doesn't have time to wait for Rossi to cease raging against the dying of the light or whatever the hell he is doing.
I came across an old Motomatters piece a couple of days ago (I was actually looking up how to spell Furusawa) from immediately after Rossi won the 2009 title, in which Furusawa, and Jarvis of course, effusively praised Rossi as was not unreasonable at the time, and spoke of his value to Yamaha and likely continuing role with them in his retirement, but interestingly Jarvis was directly quoted saying that he didn't think he would be able to talk Valentino into racing past 2010. This has always been my theory, perhaps prompted by this article although I don't remember reading it and usually do remember reading such things, that Rossi had decided to retire, presumably after winning the 10th title in 2010 which was again not unreasonable as an expectation at the time, with Jorge looked upon as their future as was actually alluded to in the article, and Rossi then changed his mind.
He is fairly definitely faster on a Yamaha, with the current tire construction in Vinales case perhaps. Whether it would translate to all bikes I don't know.
I get your point, mate. But I think the difference between the 2 situations is that the Honda is winning with the main factory rider on board, where as the Yam's are adrift and being beaten regularly by a satellite bike.
The reasons for which could be many.
The BT sport interview with Vale had him saying that it was mostly down to the electronics. (The interview itself, whilst short, was worth a watch. Vale came across very well, didn't dwell on the situation with Marc and gave some good insight on how riding in the big class has changed over the years).
To be honest, the reasons for the factory bikes struggling could be as long as your arm. The main difference between the yam riders that I can see is Zarco running softs more often, but if I knew what the problem was I would working in the pits, not throwing my 2 cents worth in on forums.
Zarco actually finished behind both bikes last year.
He is doing extremely well this year, but we have to see how it turns out. Beating “regularly” is a short term view.
I don’t see why Honda can’t supply their HRC riders with the best equipment and that’s absolutely alright while Yamaha, who clearly has it in their contract to supply year old bikes, and going above and beyond that are somehow the villains.
Isn’t the reason Miller is now at Paramac and Cal sending feelers out exactly the same thing that is making Zarco dissatisfied? Where are the crocodile tears?
He is doing extremely well this year, but we have to see how it turns out. Beating “regularly” is a short term view.
I don’t see why Honda can’t supply their HRC riders with the best equipment and that’s absolutely alright while Yamaha, who clearly has it in their contract to supply year old bikes, and going above and beyond that are somehow the villains.
Isn’t the reason Miller is now at Paramac and Cal sending feelers out exactly the same thing that is making Zarco dissatisfied? Where are the crocodile tears?
I think you'll find Honda has been criticised for giving VDS .... equipment me the abortion that was their open class bikes.
The difference is Honda hasn't let a Zarco type of rider go to hold onto Pedrosa and they're supplying ther strongest satellite rider with a full factory bike. Zarco despite not having a win yet is riding far more consistently than Crutchlow.
Last year was his rookie season, but he's out qualified the factory bikes a heap over the last few races, he's kicked their ... a couple of times this year, beat them in the last few races last year while getting very little support. Neither Miller or Crutchlow have done that.
The difference is Honda hasn't let a Zarco type of rider go to hold onto Pedrosa and they're supplying ther strongest satellite rider with a full factory bike. Zarco despite not having a win yet is riding far more consistently than Crutchlow.
Last year was his rookie season, but he's out qualified the factory bikes a heap over the last few races, he's kicked their ... a couple of times this year, beat them in the last few races last year while getting very little support. Neither Miller or Crutchlow have done that.
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Every time you make a post, you show us how little you know of this sport. You have a lot of reading & old videos to review, to catch up to the rest of us here.
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You make good points there, it is a short term view but the frequency with which Zarco has out performed the factory machines is not common place, I think that's a fair a statement.
It could be argued that the satellite Yams are much better than the non full-factory Hondas, which could further compound the issue.
I have heard in the mainstream media overt criticism of the state of the satellite Hondas and I don't think there is a person on this forum who wouldn't acknowledge that they are a bag of nails. You make good points again about Jack and Cal but aside from the relative anomaly of Argentina, they haven't set the world on fire.
It just seems a shame for a rider of Zarco's quality to be taking, what appears on the surface, a backward step.
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