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Márquez handed qualification penalty at Phillip Island

Hawk,



Therein lay a major difference IMO.



After the chequer has been shown there becomes no 'racing line' and (as Jums alludes to) generally speaking all riders button off.



To me, what CS (sorry Jums, responding here not raising it) does after the chequer in this case does not correlate to what he does during 'live' track.



The fact that he mentions his displeasure with slow riders whilst criticising Marquez is unfortunate in that it can easily be read as 'does he part blame Willarot' but that is his way (ie. speak, engage gear now)







Apologies to Jums for mentioning CS again, damn must be a bopper

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Gaz

I'm just bringing up the fact that Casey says stupid .... that is irrelevent to what happened with W/M. The riders are told where they are allowed to practice their start, it is at turn 3 here. This is even more reason for Casey not to bring up the going slow on the race line. All the riders know that after the flag other riders will be stopping at turn 3 to practice launch. You are correct, no more racing line. Some one braught up Casey and I found the coment that Casey made to be ignorant and an excuse to further his cause when it had no bearing on this incident. If anything W and the french rider were correct to go slow in the area where the riders are going to be conducting practice race launches because riders will be traveling slower in turn three so they can stop and launch, the only time stopping is allowed on the track is after the flag, and only one lap is allowed after the flag. The very reason race direction tells all the riders the places on track to practice launching is so that this type of incident wont happen. "Guys slow down before turn three because there will be a gaggle of bikes stopped there to practice launching". As far as riding slower on the line, well there is a proper procedure during practice, the blue flag. So if a guy is riding at his best but is still slower than another rider, who does the line belong to and who is responsible to go around, this is in the rules. I'm not talking about cruising on the racing line, in which Casey is obviously correct but he complains about guys being slower than him and that isn't a valid argument as the rules state what to do in that case, hint the line doesn't belong to him. The FIM rule book is available to anyone who wants to look at it online.
 
I'm just bringing up the fact that Casey says stupid .... that is irrelevent to what happened with W/M.



As far as riding slower on the line, well there is a proper procedure during practice, the blue flag. So if a guy is riding at his best but is still slower than another rider, who does the line belong to and who is responsible to go around, this is in the rules. I'm not talking about cruising on the racing line, in which Casey is obviously correct but he complains about guys being slower than him and that isn't a valid argument as the rules state what to do in that case, hint the line doesn't belong to him. The FIM rule book is available to anyone who wants to look at it online.

Apparently the question asked of stoner included a reference to his position on going slow on the racing line; see gaz's later post . As I said the marquez incident is illustrative of the dangers of high closing speed, just not in any context relevant to stoner's previous complaints as you say.



I think stoner has mostly complained about riders cruising on the racing line, particularly cruising to wait for a tow, not them being on fast laps but slower than him. The exception was the incident with hayden where nicky was slow because he was on an out lap. Even his greatest fans didn't defend him for that one and he now seems to have pulled his head in.



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I think he should be banned from the race, he commits so many stupidities on the bike it's not funny.



He doesn't give a .... about anyone once on the bike, he reminds me of Rossi but with an uncontrolled style once he get's pissed off...putting himself and others in danger.



Worst part is, the spanish media is complaining non stop every chance they get.



They even tried to put spanish dorna guys (Ezpeleta wouldn't come out to talk, i think he sent the other guy out to do the dirty job, can't remember his name now) against the wall with some ugly questions.



The .... is wrong with people here? are they blind?



I can't believe 90% of spanish MotoGP fans want Marquez in GP next year. He's worse than Alex D'angerous and that's saying a lot.



Same with commentators, all of em wanted (want) him in MotoGP next season minus one, Criville.
 
While it seems he has acl & mcl issues and Wilairot cannot race 'cause of Marquez' stupidity... MM should be watchin' from his trailer IMHO. Though Spanish media seems to be the only ones reporting it...



From europapress.es



El piloto tailandés Ratthapark Wilairot (FTR) ha recibido este sábado el alta médica tras el accidente que sufrió el viernes durante los entrenamientos libres del Gran Premio de Australia de Moto2, cuando fue embestido por Marc Márquez (Suter), lo que le costó al español una sanción de un minuto en la parrilla de salida.



El parte médico confirmó que Ratthapark tiene una lesión en el ligamento lateral interno más una lesión en el ligamento cruzado. El doctor Michele Macchiagodena de la Clínica Mobile, que acompaña a los pilotos por todos los circuitos del mundo, explicó que el tailandés necesita hacerse una resonancia magnética para evaluar minuciosamente la situación de los ligamentos.



"Estoy bastante triste con todo lo ocurrido este fin de semana. He visto el choque bastantes veces en la habitación del hospital y agradezco las disculpas de Marc, pero desde mi punto de vista creo que debería haber ido con un poco más de cautela en una vuelta donde los pilotos aminoran su marcha, independientemente del trabajo que tuviera que hacer durante esa vuelta que es totalmente respetable y entendible", opinó Wilairot.[/size]



Trans:



The Thai rider Ratthapark Wilairot (FTR) has been discharged from hospital on Saturday after the accident he suffered on Friday during practice Australia Grand Prix Moto2 was hit by Marc Marquez (Suter), which cost the Spanish a penalty of one minute on the grid.



The medical report confirmed that Ratthapark has an injured medial collateral ligament plus cruciate ligament injury. Dr. MicheleMacchiagodena of the Clinica Mobile, which comes with drivers for all thecircuits in the world, said the Thai need to have a MRI to evaluatethoroughly the situation of the ligaments.



"I'm quite sad about everything that happened this weekend. I saw the crash several times in the hospital room and I appreciate Marc's apology, but from my point of view I think that he should have gone with a little more caution in where drivers speed lessens, regardless of the work I had to do at that part of the track which is totally respectable and understandable, "said Wilairot.
 
Good to hear Marc apologised. Btw, Mike, the "friend" u mention, his name wouldnt happen to be called "Jumkie"?
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This event is still pissing me off... Wilairot can't race in Malaysia (basically his home race) because of his injuries. That's two missed starts and all MM got was a one second penalty... When you do something that stupid you should be suspended until the person you injured can race again... would definitely make the stupid among them sit up and notice! BTW a 17 year old Thai, leader in the SEA superbike series, Apiwat Wongthananon, is getting Wilairot's ride this weekend because this is the race where the Thai Honda/Singha SAG team hosts their sponsors and generates money for next year... Wilairot shoulda been there...
 
This event is still pissing me off... Wilairot can't race in Malaysia (basically his home race) because of his injuries. That's two missed starts and all MM got was a one second penalty... When you do something that stupid you should be suspended until the person you injured can race again... would definitely make the stupid among them sit up and notice! BTW a 17 year old Thai, leader in the SEA superbike series, Apiwat Wongthananon, is getting Wilairot's ride this weekend because this is the race where the Thai Honda/Singha SAG team hosts their sponsors and generates money for next year... Wilairot shoulda been there...

Agree. I have since forgiven the kid, but the penalty was a joke.



However, a bit of Karma may be in swing here. Did you see the highside Marc had?
 
BTW a 17 year old Thai, leader in the SEA superbike series, Apiwat Wongthananon, is getting Wilairot's ride this weekend because this is the race where the Thai Honda/Singha SAG team hosts their sponsors and generates money for next year... Wilairot shoulda been there...



Hell try saying that when your pissed!
 
Yeah I saw it but purposely didn't want to take any satisfaction from it (but do believe karma was hoofin' MM's arse). IMHO MM shouldn't have even been out there...
 
Apiwat Wongthananon... I've been in Thailand for almost six years and my Thai is reasonable but names still befuddle me - straight or wasted... Fortunately most Thai's go by their simple nick-names like Nit, ...., Pook, Moo, etc... Try Thai place names. Here's one for you, Bangkok's Thai name is:



Krung­thep­maha­nakorn­amorn­ratana­kosin­mahintar­ayutthay­amaha­dilok­phop­noppa­ratrajathani­burirom­udom­rajaniwes­mahasat­harn­amorn­phimarn­avatarn­sathit­sakkattiya­visanukamprasit



Roughly translates to:

The great city of angels, the supreme unconqueralble land of the great immortal divinity (Indra), the royal capital of nine noble gems, the pleasant city, with plenty of grand royal palaces, and divine paradises for the reincarnated deity (Vishnu), given by Indra and created by the god of crafting (Visnukarma).



Thai's usually just use the first two words: Krung Thep
 
Nit, Pook, Moo., and the best .....
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i love PS, u learn so much while having a great laff.
 
When I first arrived it was a howl to see "...." on business signage... kinda like a kid giggling at "Uranus" or "rectum"!!!
 

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