http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2011/Marquez+qualifying+penalty+Australia+Phillip+Island
Anyone know where to find video of this? Besides Motogp.com
Anyone know where to find video of this? Besides Motogp.com
I dont bother with those threads, way too much ..... to wade through to find anything worth reading.
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http://superbikeplanet.com/2011/Oct/111014marcmad.htm
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You .... Nah man, I just think the penalty should fit the crime a bit more. Starting from the back is lame. These guys get starting from the back penalties for less ..... Btw, I like the tone of this article below.
http://superbikeplan...1014marcmad.htm
I agree, it was stupid and i called him a ........ A championship is a pretty harsh penalty though. What you have to take into consideration, especially in GP, is the sponsor. The companies pay big dollars to have their name splashed on these machines. When you sit a bike out of a race, there goes 1/17th of the advertising they paid for. Pissing off sponsors is never good in any sport, GP cant afford to be pissing anyone off at the moment, especially Repsol. Give him a fine he will never forget, start him at the rear and let it go, with the warning that this will not turn into a demolition derby on Sunday. I saw a much more experienced rider do something every bit as bone headed as what Marquez did today without sanction. It ended his career, but as far as i know, he was never punished by the sanctioning body. Do you remember Scott Russell.
Grinding up Marquez's balls and tossing them to the seagulls isn't the answer.
The guy's (usually) no ...... I'm sure that, penalty or no, he will never do something like that again. Crashing and flying through the air will leave a far greater impression than any imaginable fine.
(OTOH, I haven't seen the video yet. Was he really going a full 100% while everyone else was on an out lap?)
IMO, the race directors should haul all the riders to mandatory safety meetings to be held several times per year. Apart from other safety issues, be sure to show them Magee/Shobert and any other "dumb stunt" wrecks they can find. Point out that running a race, or even a few 100% qual laps, takes a lot of mental effort and than the natural reaction afterward is to relax. Emphasize that they can not allow themselves to zone out until they are completely off the track.
Hey, at least Mark wasn't..
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The guy's (usually) no ...... I'm sure that, penalty or no, he will never do something like that again. Crashing and flying through the air will leave a far greater impression than any imaginable fine.
(OTOH, I haven't seen the video yet. Was he really going a full 100% while everyone else was on an out lap?)
IMO, the race directors should haul all the riders to mandatory safety meetings to be held several times per year. Apart from other safety issues, be sure to show them Magee/Shobert and any other "dumb stunt" wrecks they can find. Point out that running a race, or even a few 100% qual laps, takes a lot of mental effort and than the natural reaction afterward is to relax. Emphasize that they can not allow themselves to zone out until they are completely off the track.
Hey, at least Mark wasn't..
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Maybe not castrating him, but certainly not a 'start from the back' penalty. I thought most people would agree that something a bit more substantial should be the penalty. I'm not saying Marc is worse than cancer, (or as Pov characterized me as Judge Dread, haha) so lets not go extreme. But dude almost killed a guy because he was trying to check out his settings--that is like shaving or texting while driving (though Pov may need more of an explanation to see the correlation). He went out under the time to get in one hot lap, so he was in a desperate mode to be prepared(check the settings)...kinda like shaving on your way to work. Read some of the comments left on this article.
http://motomatters.c...r_free_pra.html
I saw it live as it happened. Although Marquez did run into Willairot, he had not passed the chequered flag yet. It was dumb on his part to go out on the track from the pits with less than a minute remaining in the session (especially if it's not for a qualifying lap), but Willairot and the other rider next to him were just cruising SIDE BY SIDE on the race line. From Marquez's vantage point, he could not see them there. Surely he didn't just go Kamikaze out of nowhere! It will be a tall order to come from the back of the grid to try and win, but we have all seen him recover from disappointment this year. Willairot was diagnosed with no serious injuries, by the way. Ciao
Obviously very careless but far from deliberate so I think the penalty is about appropriate.
Stoner whilst critical of marquez also commented that people should not be on the racing line period, and in the shobert incident most blame was put on magee who was doing burn-outs on the racing line. It has been reported that marquez had no right to be going as fast as he was though; I am not sure I understand the chronology of the incident, are you saying neither marquez or willarot had got the chequered flag? Going flat-out on an outlap with no prospect of a further lap is still ill-advised and unlikely to be anticipated by other riders if this is what he did though.
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Good post...pretty much my take on things.
Marquez says he was unsighted due to the other rider blocking his view of Willairot but if they both had of been on the outside of the turn rather than "dicking about" on the racing line this incident would not have occured.
As much as it pissed me off when Stoner physically asaulted RDP for doing pretty much the same kind of thing he was right in his assesment that this practice is dangerous and we now see another good example of what he was concerned about and why this issue needs to be taken seriously....the end result could have been far worse.
I think in this case the penalty for Marquez fits the crime - but I would be dissapointed if the other two riders do not receive a warning or penalty for their involvement in this incident.
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Squigz & Michael, my friends, i see uve decided to use this incident to advance Stoner's supposed market corner in safety. No comparison. The only one "dicking around" was Marc. It matters zero that it wasnt deliberate, as if somebody decides to plow into the back of another rider. Also to say he didnt see him reminds me of all the morons who say same .... when they plow into a bike on the rode. No .... he didnt see him, thats because he was concentrating on settings. If he had not crossed the checkered, this is all moot. So i doubt the above account. Or race direction got it way wrong and everybody else writing about incident. Using this incident to advance Stoner supposed affinity for safety (as if nobody else understands said dangers) apart from the clear incidents, is more a matter of him just wanting the world to clear out when king Stoner is on track. Ur posts smacks disingenuous.
Gentlemen, Yes, we get it, slower riders on the track during a hot track is bad, this wasn't the case of a green flag track. And Stoner isn't the only one who understand this. Need I remind you of him badgering with his bike Nicky around the track for a supposed (in Stoner's mind only) balking? Stick to this incident rather than looking for a way to advance some thing you may think is proprietary for Stoner.
Apple & Watermelons.
Gentlemen, Yes, we get it, slower riders on the track during a hot track is bad, this wasn't the case of a green flag track. And Stoner isn't the only one who understand this. Need I remind you of him badgering with his bike Nicky around the track for a supposed (in Stoner's mind only) balking? Stick to this incident rather than looking for a way to advance some thing you may think is proprietary for Stoner.
Apple & Watermelons.
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Yeah well we have all heard your opinion many times now....its other peoples turn to have a say.
Jums, not defending anyone but where the incident occurred is a 'recognised' blind spot among many Oz racers I know personally. They all have said that through Southern Loop and into Honda they just find that where they look head (as all racers should) they often miss what is immediately ahead in term of on the track itself.
No excuses but is an opinion that I had heard before this incident (and FWIW a similar situation has occurred there in car racing and bikes previously).
On the side of MM's focus, it is practice and surely one must expect the unexpected and for that, I find it hard to absolve him of any blame, although I can understand to a degree.
With regards to the chequer, the earlier post has been refuted in many places and I have earlier today read a comment/article that states that MM received the Chequer 38 seconds after it was first displayed. There also has been no comment attributed to him or his team saying he had not been shown it (know you are not saying this either).
As for Stoner, I disagree as it does support his desire (you can call it what you want) for riders not to be slow on the race line at any times and is a classic example of the results that may occur (as are many others over years)
Gaz
I think there is (or was, he doesn't seem to be doing it anymore) an element in stoner's "antics" which concerned him being pissed off about having pretty laps ruined, and that a sense of injustice that he was penalised as a rookie nobody for accidentally being on the racing line whilst others could do it with impunity was also involved.
He also has a point though whether he was rude to nicky or not (I have never defended his actions towards nicky in that incident as you know), and I think he decided that his penalty in 2006 was justified and took the matter to heart. The fact remains that if anyone in any circumstance is going fast it is likely it will be on the racing line, so not being on it if you are going slowly is likely to be safer. Stoner also has not to my knowledge crashed into anyone in any circumstance in his premier class career; whilst doubtless little consolation to the riders involved he was crashed into by following riders after losing his bike, and not in an overtaking move, in his only crash involving other riders which was when he was a rookie in 2006.
As an aside stoner is an equal opportunity whinger
I have seen the marquez incident but not the context; I was just trying to sort out the chronology as I have seen it posted elsewhere that he had not actually been given the chequered flag, which I like you had assumed must be the case, and was seeking to be informed by someone who had seen the whole thing. He still should not be going flat out on an outlap with no chance of making a full lap at race pace if this is what he did, but this might be why the penalty was not more severe and why his team (still stupidly imo if this was the case) appealed.
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Mike, according to superbikeplanet states "after both had taken the checkered flag". Motomatters says Marc was sent out "with about a minute" and didn't make the second lap and then collided with the Thai rider in turn 3. That is where Wilairot was slowing down after a "practice start". I'm not sure what isn't clear about "chronology". If this had still been a green flag track then the entire thing is moot, as Marc would have been in the right to be motoring on a hot lap. How you compare this to Stoner's usual whining about people balking a lap is a bit much. I get you are saying there was a speed differential. But in this case there was suppose to be as the session had been closed. Take a look at FP3, at the very end, they follow Stoner as he slows down after he takes the checker flag. You will see a rider pass him rather fast. Was Stoner "dicking" around? Stoner slows down at the same place it seems where the Moto2 guys were taking their practice starts. This is why Stoner is slowing down and in fact, takes a practice start. So by yours and Squigs standard, Stoner was "dicking" around and slowing down after the checkered flag then. I don't understand why you say something about it not being deliberate, what does that have to do with making a grave mistake? And I don't understand why Squigs says he didn't see Wilairot. What is the relevance in that? What if I say, well he didn't see the checkered flag?
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Hahaha, sounds like you are getting frustrated. I suggest you don't put foot in mouth then, as I like to point it out when you do it.
I thought you said you were going to ignore me? Couldn't resist? http://www.powerslide.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif
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How could I ignore you jumks - you are a star
Speaking of which we are casting for a movie at the moment - its tentatively titled
Napoleon Ren: Portrait of a forum bully.
The lead character is a psychotic chihuahua with grandiose visions of himself and his opinions. My agent thinks you would be perfect for the role. Maybe your agent can contact my agent and we can "do lunch" and work out all the details
