Lorenzo's use of electronics

IMO his key to success is his focus.   The electronics help a ton with keeping that focus.

Krop, you're on a roll!


What up with the recent flurry of posts?  Running short of material for MotoMatters? 


Perhaps you're just trolling for the next 'Barking Mad Conspiracy' to emanate from the PS inmates, on the theory that insane people often see (real) things that others can't. 

Kropotkin

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Someone - I forget who, my apologies - asked me to ask about Lorenzo's use of electronics. I asked Crutchlow, who is willing to tell almost anyone anything, fortunately for us, and he said that Lorenzo doesn't use the electronics differently or more, particularly, but he does have them set up to be a bit smoother in some areas. That seems to fit with his style, which is much smoother in general.


So, is Lorenzo faster because he uses more electronics? Probably not. He is faster because he uses a setting which compliments his riding style. He uses electronics tailored to his style, not more or less.


But then, that's what all of the top MotoGP riders do.

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It was me.  Thanks for taking the time to ask the questions.  


 


"Set up a bit smoother in some areas."  Can you elaborate on this?  My suggestion was that he uses the electronics to create his smoothness by allowing them to control the power delivery rather than the throttle.  This would fit because as you say all riders use electronics to control power delivery

Kropotkin

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Bored.

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REALLY bored to be hanging around here.  

Mental Anarchist said:

Someone - I forget who, my apologies - asked me to ask about Lorenzo's use of electronics. I asked Crutchlow, who is willing to tell almost anyone anything, fortunately for us, and he said that Lorenzo doesn't use the electronics differently or more, particularly, but he does have them set up to be a bit smoother in some areas. That seems to fit with his style, which is much smoother in general.
So, is Lorenzo faster because he uses more electronics? Probably not. He is faster because he uses a setting which compliments his riding style. He uses electronics tailored to his style, not more or less.
But then, that's what all of the top MotoGP riders do.
It was me.  Thanks for taking the time to ask the questions.  
 
"Set up a bit smoother in some areas."  Can you elaborate on this?  My suggestion was that he uses the electronics to create his smoothness by allowing them to control the power delivery rather than the throttle.  This would fit because as you say all riders use electronics to control power delivery

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Yeah, the ol computer controls how much oomph .. You just open the throttle the same amount every lap.. Definitely a possibility in this day and age.. I could see him feeling comfortable with say 60% throttle on the exit of a given corner but the engineers see room for 65%.. A lil clickity clack.. Done.. More power for that corner.. That type of meddling could be the cause of some of the new school high sides methinks

Thanx for taking some of PS members questions to the boys Krops. Very cool.

My take on electronic setting. Its a bit like asking who uses the most rear shock setting? Uhm, well they all use specific set ups to suit their needs. Mat Mladin said it best one time, electronics is just another set up setting u have to use and figure out. U gotta get it right just like any other adjustment on the bike. If u get it right or wrong it will effect ur performance. He also said, its not like some ....... magic dial where u can turn it up and magically go fast.

I think electronics became a tool for the fools to attempt to disparage Stoner, accusing him of having the computer ride the bike for him. We had a member here once named Babelfish (who I genuinely miss) say he could tell from watching behind the fence at the track, that Stoner had his TC turned way up. And he could see Stoner just wack the throttle and let the electronic magic do the rest. Then they interviewed Nicky Hayden when he was his teammate, he said Stoner used very little TC.

Jumkie

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Thanx for taking some of PS members questions to the boys Krops. Very cool. My take on electronic setting. Its a bit like asking who uses the most rear shock setting? Uhm, well they all use specific set ups to suit their needs. Mat Mladin said it best one time, electronics is just another set up setting u have to use and figure out. U gotta get it right just like any other adjustment on the bike. If u get it right or wrong it will effect ur performance. He also said, its not like some ....... magic dial where u can turn it up and magically go fast. I think electronics became a tool for the fools to attempt to disparage Stoner, accusing him of having the computer ride the bike for him. We had a member here once named Babelfish (who I genuinely miss) say he could tell from watching behind the fence at the track, that Stoner had his TC turned way up. And he could see Stoner just wack the throttle and let the electronic magic do the rest. Then they interviewed Nicky Hayden when he was his teammate, he said Stoner used very little TC.

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Whatever Lorenzo does it would seem to be the best way to ride a Yamaha, and can't be easy or everyone else would be doing it.


 


I also miss Babel, and thank David for asking the question on our behalf.

Krop, if you are graciously acting as a liason between we lowly fans and the magistrates of MotoGP, can you find out about Rossi's electronics? My hunch is that he is already using 2014 kit, since the hardware rules have already been finalized. This would perhaps explain his inconsistent form. If he's not running limited sensors or processing power or whatever the 2014 spec-ECU entails, can you discover the source of the development mission Rossi was babbling about during the offseason?

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Yeah, the ol computer controls how much oomph .. You just open the throttle the same amount every lap.. Definitely a possibility in this day and age.. I could see him feeling comfortable with say 60% throttle on the exit of a given corner but the engineers see room for 65%.. A lil clickity clack.. Done.. More power for that corner.. That type of meddling could be the cause of some of the new school high sides methinks

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If you stop and think about it, the electronics should make the riders more equal. Everyone has the same Bridgestones. The major factories get the same specification data. Though they may not all have the ability to build a perfectly tunable chassis, they should all be working towards the same basic performance threshold. However, it appears that the fuel-limited electronics are so complex that teams are not really on par with one another.


 


Cost-cutting is the official reason for the spec-ECU regulations, but I suspect Dorna's ulterior motive is tightening up the field a bit, by simplifying the process of reaching theoretical max performance. If Dorna cut back on the electronics too much, the rules could have the opposite effect. I'm not sure, but maybe they are just going after processing power to restrict the capabilities of the relatively useless u-learning fuel computers and traction control.


 


If the GPC are determined to limit adaptive fuel computing, this may also explain the 20L rule. When the FIA reduced fuel capacity by 25% in Group C to reduce the performance of the cars, they discovered an interesting phenomenon. The most effective strategy, in the days before adaptive fuel computers, was to limp around and feel the race out. To stay out of trouble and sip turbulence off of your competitors on the straights. At the end of the race, the trailing teams would engage in an all out sprint, while the leading team would often take a more cautious approach to avoid throwing away a possible victory. By creating a bigger gap between the maximum performance of the machines, and the average performance over race distance with limited fuel capacity, maybe MotoGP are hoping to recreate the way bike racing worked prior to Bridgestone's indestructible control tire.


 


Personally, I'd rather have them pay Bridgestone big bucks to produce a wide variety of tires and compounds for each round, but the 2014 rules package could make some interesting things happen.

I'm with you. If not an all out tire manufacture war, why not some real selection of tire choices.. Always been a fan of the gambling man who goes against the grain for a potential advantage either in the beginning or toward the end.. Seems like its a big game of follow the leader with choice these days though

I think you should use this opportunity to ask some serious questions.


 
<ul>[]Does Ben Spies really 'sleep with' Mary?
[]Does Rossi really have a tattoo of Harvey Fierstein on his butt cheek?
[]Is it true Cal refuses to eat Ginsters because they sap your strength?
[]Can you get a price list from Hector's girlfriend for a little rough play?
[]Is it true the MSMA has blackballed Ten Kate because they are scared Gerrit will eat someone important?
[]Can you ask Randy for pics of his girlfriend?
[]How much is Regaine paying Bradley Smith?
[]Where can I buy the Espargaro's single?
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Kropotkin

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Bored.

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Yeah, you only come here to see what the crazy people are up to. You remind me of one of the characters in that movie (help anyone?) about a couple of nutjobs escaping from the mental hospital. His delusions make him believe he is the psychotherapist, while in fact, he just another nut. But that's ok, we accept you. You are one of us. 


 


Anyway, nice 1984 reference in your last mm-piece. More please.

I think maybe that film was called "the Dream Team" - Christopher Lloyd played the delusional doctor. If that's the flick you were thinking of. Good movie...

mad mick

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I think maybe that film was called "the Dream Team" - Christopher Lloyd played the delusional doctor. If that's the flick you were thinking of. Good movie...

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That's it.

mtorn

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I think you should use this opportunity to ask some serious questions.


 
<ul>[]Does Ben Spies really 'sleep with' Mary?
[]Does Rossi really have a tattoo of Harvey Fierstein on his butt cheek?
[]Is it true Cal refuses to eat Ginsters because they sap your strength?
[]Can you get a price list from Hector's girlfriend for a little rough play?
[]Is it true the MSMA has blackballed Ten Kate because they are scared Gerrit will eat someone important?
[]Can you ask Randy for pics of his girlfriend?
[]How much is Regaine paying Bradley Smith?
[]Where can I buy the Espargaro's single?
[/list]

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<ul>[]Does Ben Spies really 'sleep with' Mary? It's a highly involved and often misunderstood complex oedipal arrangement going on here - let's just say Mary is happy to comply. 
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       http://youtu.be/DuPBbFOiygo


 
<ul>[]Does Rossi really have a tattoo of Harvey Fierstein on his butt cheek? No - not anymore, it was removed last year by laser treatment to make room for Gianni Morandi having briefly considered popular Sicilian comic duo Toti and Totino on either flank. Actually, may I say I feel very strongly about this. It's important to immediately dispel the absurd speculation surrounding Valentino's ink and at last clarify the truth. For example, only last week in fact the rumour was circulating that he'd once had a turtle done..I mean, what silly ......?
[]Is it true Cal refuses to eat Ginsters because they sap your strength? <strike>No, Ben's Pies</strike>....sorry, too easy. In actual fact, He's more interested in the 'Pasties' rumoured to frequently adorn Mary Spies ample rack.
[]Can you get a price list from Hector's girlfriend for a little rough play? Word is, dominatrix style role play is more her thing - with Hector obediently in tow. See Mary Spies if that's your bag. Incidentally, has anyone noticed the absence of Graziano these day's? His refusal to book hotels lead to his his insistence on sleeping in his car at race weekends. I've heard it said that his auto erotic fantasies have become so unmanageable of late he's now barely capable of leaving the comfort of his own bedroom wardrobe.
[]Is it true the MSMA has blackballed Ten Kate because they are scared Gerrit will eat someone important? Ronald, if you believe the rumours, has Fireblade's for breakfast
[]Can you ask Randy for pics of his girlfriend? Queueing in front of them in Security out of Austin Bergstrom International Airport the other month I just asked him for his girlfriend instead. What the hell does 'se faire baiser' mean?
[]How much is Regaine paying Bradley Smith? Obviously not sufficient to stretch to a complimentary course of treatment
[]Where can I buy the Espargaro's single? Now you're just being ridiculous
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Arrabb,

Rossi's turtle tatt is fact not rumour...

If you want to lose all faith in humanity, google "Rossi tattoo". Dare you.

Dr No

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Arrabb,

Rossi's turtle tatt is fact not rumour...

If you want to lose all faith in humanity, google "Rossi tattoo". Dare you.

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I know, hence the Mugello lid.


 


Rumour was precisely the point of the humour. Harvey Fierenstein on your arse being fair game...but as if someone would stupid enough to get a turtle!!!