Lorenzo will run # 1 plate

BarryMachine said:

Obviously you are good at "ignoring" too

most folk at club level would take 5 seconds ( this could be a JBism ) to realize that the opportunity for running a club number "1" occurs only at club championships so for all other race days ( maybe say 20 a year when you are young and keen

) ......... which of the say 5 club champions gets to run the number one on the day

As for comparing a race day with a track day .......... get real ......... track days are heavily policed guided tours

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Before encountering you - I thought "... backwards" and "talking out your ..." were just colorful expressions.

Keshav said:

Before encountering you - I thought "... backwards" and "talking out your ..." were just colorful expressions.

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No man, ive seen it, its real



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DrRE1LDY_U

Tom said:

I think it is more than an available option, i would consider it a tradition and like i said before proper etiquette. Having said that, it is a choice, not a requirement, but not many riders have turned down the number 1 plate. Superstition is definitely something that effects some riders a lot more than others. On top of that, my original post was very pro Lorenzo because a skeptic would definitely suggest that for Jorge to take the number 1 plate and turn it into his initials is having his cake and eating it too. I'm just glad that Lorenzo has gone with number 1, i think its the right thing to do and i think it looks good on the track. If Lorenzo was a horrible unsporting person he should have put in a request to run number 46

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The question is were there other champions who did not run the number 1? I don't know the answer as I'm not 80+ years old.

I'll give ground that there would be some sort of history/tradition of people taking the number 1 however superstition and sentimental value are also very relevant and important for some sportspeople. I like this side of his choice of the 46. I've also thought that Valentino shows respect for the history of the sport, the riders that have gone before him as he has always recognised milestones and given credit to the person at that milestone.



Yes Lorenzo could have asked for 46 - I'm not sure what the rules are around that. The only reason he would do it would be to attack Valentino at a personal level. Does he need to do that because if you are right in your confidence in his ability, Valentino will never get close to him again.

woody996 said:

The question is were there other champions who did not run the number 1?

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As with all things cool in this sport I believe Barry Sheene started it in 1977. He's certainly responsible for riders having individual numbers, before he requested to stick to number 7 they were randomly assigned.

woody996 said:

I've also thought that Valentino shows respect for the history of the sport, the riders that have gone before him as he has always recognised milestones and given credit to the person at that milestone.

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Yes, Rossi does seem to respect and admire the history of the sport, as well as knowing his place in it. I don't really think he is shunning anyone or anything by not taking the number 1, except for his team to some extent. Keeping his number, besides what people say about sentiment and superstision was also a clever marketting move on Rossi's behalf because it has helped him to create a brand (just like sheene). But 46 is a Rossi brand, and is independant of all the people who helped him to get where he is, so he gets all the benefits while his team don't get to see the number 1 displayed. Like we've already said, its a choice thing.

Yes Lorenzo could have asked for 46 - I'm not sure what the rules are around that. The only reason he would do it would be to attack Valentino at a personal level. Does he need to do that because if you are right in your confidence in his ability, Valentino will never get close to him again.

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I'm not sure what the rules are either, and it'd almost certainly be denied anyway. But it'd cause a stir. Like i said it'd be unsporting and he'd lose a lot of support and admiration, but it'd definitely shake Rossi a bit. As for my confidence in Lorenzo's ability, i fully expect Rossi to be close this year at the very least. I don't know why you would think otherwise unless you think the shoulder is going to be career ending or Ducati are going to fail completely. I don't think either situation is as bad as it appears and i expect Rossi to fight for the title. Always have done.

What does it matter whether Hogay rides the no:1 surly the big test is keeping hold of it

Not so sure thats gonna happen.

Besides if Im not mistaken hasn,t Rossi worn the no:1 evry year hes had the right to?

Admittedly it has been on the shoulder of his leathers but it was there

Tom said:

Yes, Rossi does seem to respect and admire the history of the sport, as well as knowing his place in it. I don't really think he is shunning anyone or anything by not taking the number 1, except for his team to some extent. Keeping his number, besides what people say about sentiment and superstision was also a clever marketting move on Rossi's behalf because it has helped him to create a brand (just like sheene). But 46 is a Rossi brand, and is independant of all the people who helped him to get where he is, so he gets all the benefits while his team don't get to see the number 1 displayed. Like we've already said, its a choice thing.







I'm not sure what the rules are either, and it'd almost certainly be denied anyway. But it'd cause a stir. Like i said it'd be unsporting and he'd lose a lot of support and admiration, but it'd definitely shake Rossi a bit. As for my confidence in Lorenzo's ability, i fully expect Rossi to be close this year at the very least. I don't know why you would think otherwise unless you think the shoulder is going to be career ending or Ducati are going to fail completely. I don't think either situation is as bad as it appears and i expect Rossi to fight for the title. Always have done.

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I'm sure Rossi would find it hilarious.

And what a .... Lorenzo would look for even raising the subject.

SprogTheDog said:

I'm sure Rossi would find it hilarious.

And what a .... Lorenzo would look for even raising the subject.

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Yes of course, like i said Lorenzo would catch so much hate for doing something so unsporting and obviously aimed at upsetting Rossi. But i doubt Rossi would be laughing if Lorenzo was using his number 46.

Bunyip said:

Motogp is big business and a manufacturer spends a fortune aiming to be number one, so that when a rider wins the world championship for them, the team (manufacturer) has a strong desire to display the number one plate. Not to do so, could be construed as selfish and arrogant.



I agree with MA and disagree with Keshav (sorry friend

). C,mon Keshav! Superstition?? You can do better than that.

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You'll just have to trust me on this one. One example: I was at a race weekend at Loudon one year and new guy showed up

with 666 on his number plate. At least 30 people came up and told him (in threatening tones) to stay off the track until he changed his number. Absolutely nobody would otherwise talk to the guy.



One year a guy named Cal crashed on the banking at Pocono and ended up losing his leg. I forget what his plate number was

but everyone in WERA, AAMRR, and AMA/CCS who had that number - changed their plate number before the following race

weekend.



Don't tell me racers aren't superstitious.

Keshav said:

You'll just have to trust me on this one. One example: I was at a race weekend at Loudon one year and new guy showed up

with 666 on his number plate. At least 30 people came up and told him (in threatening tones) to stay off the track until he changed his number. Absolutely nobody would otherwise talk to the guy.



One year a guy named Cal crashed on the banking at Pocono and ended up losing his leg. I forget what his plate number was

but everyone in WERA, AAMRR, and AMA/CCS who had that number - changed their plate number before the following race

weekend.



Don't tell me racers aren't superstitious.

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Agree, that's why I don't wear the number 1234567889101112131415161718192021222324252627282930........101102103104105106.........201202203204205.......45085709874598247358 & 72453459823495834905830542309858946383256124476523783& 95830498585704520834560245602745879459234850941326542& 317649375098674096723087465297865932840573489070. Because inevitably something bad happens. (that's for yesterday amigo).



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Keshav said:

Don't tell me racers aren't superstitious.

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Its true, my preferred number is 22 and last year I was given 28 and had a .... year. So partly for personal preference, and partly for superstition (along with the fact that some of you fucktards keep telling me I should change my username ) i've requested 22 this yr.

Keshav said:

JohnnyKnockdown' timestamp='1296528004' post='265166 said:

Keshav

How could you equate running the number 1 plate in club racing to running the number 1 plate in moto gp. Club racing and moto gp have nothing in common. If you have the number 1 plate in club racing that means you were first in the championship. MotoGp is infinitly different. If Lorenzos runs the number 1 than that means he was first in his championship. Can't you see the difference man?

Moto Gp riders put hundreds of laps per year on their bikes and all club racers do is put hundreds of laps per year on theirs.

You must stop giving us all this invaluable knowledge about how racers tick because you club racers know nothing about racing.

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You're as obtuse as ever. The prevelence of superstition amongst racers is universal. The pressure

to be number one is very high to a club racer or a Camel Pro rider (I've raced both series). When

riding in either series - being the best amongst your peers - is the be all and end all - and

that dynamic is the same in MgP - it's just the stakes are bigger. Remember - all pro racers start out

as club racers. That's the time when they are young and most impressionable; and if you don't think they take their predjudices and quirks along with them as they ascend the ranks from novice, to expert to pro to MotoGP - then you don't know the first thing about human nature.



And BTW - how would you presume to know what a club racer does or doesn't know? You've never even been in an actual race. Far as I can tell you're just another ill-tempered guy with a big bike that he uses to go back and forth to the 7-11. As I recall - you've never even done

an actual track day.

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Ah Kesh, you deserve this one after yesterday's mutiny. Read JK's post carefully. Then read it again, but this time very very carefully. Might he actually be agreeing with you?







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Jumkie said:

Ah Kesh, you deserve this one after yesterday's mutiny.

Read JK's post carefully. Then read it again, but this time very very carefully. Might he actually be agreeing with you?

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I don't think so. JK's sentence composition and grammar are so tortured that one could make it mean whatever whatever one wanted to. But he and I so frequently disagree that I go with my gut and stand by my original interpretation of his comments. The last sentence of his post is pretty damned unabiguous. I could be wrong but I believe it was him that I had a long drawn-out pissing match over similar stuff when I first came around. I believe the boy still is holding a grudge. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zgeQmzV9kk[/media]

Spies will run the #1 do debate

Keshav said:

I don't think so. JK's sentence composition and grammar are so tortured that one could make it mean whatever whatever one wanted to. But he and I so frequently disagree that I go with my gut and stand by my original interpretation of his comments. The last sentence of his post is pretty damned unabiguous. I could be wrong but I believe it was him that I had a long drawn-out pissing match over similar stuff when I first came around. I believe the boy still is holding a grudge.

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Fratricide! Ah, JK's witty agreement with you on this has been lost to friendly fire I'm afraid.

Jumkie said:

Ah Kesh, you deserve this one after yesterday's mutiny.

Read JK's post carefully. Then read it again, but this time very very carefully. Might he actually be agreeing with you?

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You caught the BM virus???

Renjith said:

You caught the BM virus???

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Until I hear it direct from JK himself - I'm sticking with my story.



BTW - it would be more likely yourself who'd be catching this illness.

Bowel Movement viruses are much more common in your neck of the woods -are they not?

Keshav said:

Until I hear it direct from JK himself - I'm sticking with my story.



BTW - it would be more likely yourself who'd be catching this illness.

Bowel Movement viruses are much more common in your neck of the woods -are they not?

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Moe than movement, I would call it bowel explosion

JohnnyKnockdown said:

Keshav

How could you equate running the number 1 plate in club racing to running the number 1 plate in moto gp. Club racing and moto gp have nothing in common. If you have the number 1 plate in club racing that means you were first in the championship. MotoGp is infinitly different. If Lorenzos runs the number 1 than that means he was first in his championship. Can't you see the difference man?

Moto Gp riders put hundreds of laps per year on their bikes and all club racers do is put hundreds of laps per year on theirs.

You must stop giving us all this invaluable knowledge about how racers tick because you club racers know nothing about racing.

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JKD - thanks for letting me know. I mis-read it and can only say that I must have had a hair up my ... the other day.



My sincerest apology. About the other stuff - I can only think that I have mixed you up with someone else

with whom I crossed swords back when I first came around. Again, please accept my apology.

Peace,

Keshav

Keshav said:

with whom I crossed swords

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I'm not sure what to make of this? Hahahaha, I'm sure you didn't mean to use this term. I sincerely hope you haven't crossed swords with anybody...unless you're in to that sort of thing.