Lorenzo will run # 1 plate

Talpa · Jan 31, 2011

Mental Anarchist said:
Funny how you take a discussion about the #1 plate and try and turn it into a silly discussion about 15th place on the grid in order to try to justify your view of the world. I have no problem with the top 3 having to wear their championship number but the whole grid would be just moronic in my opinion.

It is also funny how you quoted Pedrosa's and Stoner's finishing position and ask why they are not wearing it but left out Rossi. Mmmmm a bias....?

If you ask the team and the manufacturer if they would like the number 1 plate on their bike what do you think their answer would be? The rider's personal number is their personal number and does not represent the team or the manufacturer. When the rider can win on their own without a team and without a manufacturer then sure wear what you want. Last time I checked it was a team sport that required the input of 100's of personnel.

I think Jorge wearing the number one is saying "me and my team are the best".

Just my opinion and you are free to think what you like although we rarely know what you think we just know what you think of other peoples opinions.

Where did I mention 15th place???......I left out Rossi as you were obviously (as usual) slanting a very nasty bias against him not wearing the number 1 plate and simply highlighting the incredible double standard you place which more than confirms you ugly, misinformed/misinterpreted opinions......which makes you a classic hater

I know what Yamaha would have said if you asked them whether or not they preferred the no 46 or the no 1 on their machine.

So in your opinion Troy Bayliss also must feel he is bigger than the sport for not running the no 1 plate in 2007?

Why did Casey not wear the no 2 in 2009?? Maybe his ego couldn't handle it......

Why did Jorge not wear the no 2 in 2010?? '' ''

If your going to throw out wild opinion against a rider not wearing the no 1 plate, then you must apply it to all, especially the top 5......

If anything the problems exist with riders like Dovi and Colin using numbers which are ahead of where they finished the season before, you've just used this as another hopeless Rossi hating excuse for a rant which makes no sense.

michaelm · Jan 31, 2011

Certainly a no-win situation for jorge, who would probably be accused of arrogance both for wearing and not wearing the number 1 plate.

My suspicion would be that the team asked him to wear it, as I think was the case with stoner and ducati in 2008. My impression is that riders mostly prefer to have their own number and not to change it, perhaps partly in emulation of rossi.

dwoodhouse · Jan 31, 2011

michaelm said:
Certainly a no-win situation for jorge, who would probably be accused of arrogance both for wearing and not wearing the number 1 plate.

My suspicion would be that the team asked him to wear it, as I think was the case with stoner and ducati in 2008. My impression is that riders mostly prefer to have their own number and not to change it, perhaps partly in emulation of rossi.

I think the whole thing about the number 1 plate is nothing more than an available option for the latest champion. I put forward the counter argument earlier as Lorenzo's choice was used to put down Rossi's choices in previous years. If Lorenzo wants to wear it, go for it. If he doesn't, it doesn't mean he should be looked down on either.

Keshav · Jan 31, 2011

BarryMachine said:
Um ...... no ....... club racers don't run the number one cos its a pain in the arse!.

Number 1 in the club? well I guess you could run it for days when it is your club only ( rare }

Nver saw anyone run a "club no. 1" ever cos its just plain useless ...... nothing to do with superstition

........ though are you in the Bellevue motorcycle club? I guess they'd have some serious paranoid superstitions there

And for the usual interclub meets which clubs number one gets to run the number 1? I don't know if things are the same there but here in Aust. its just easier to run your designated MRAA number ........ covers you for all events then without the need to keep swapping numbers and imagine if it wasn't done how interclub meets would be for duplicated numbers

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Ohh.... just so you know; this is me ignoring you because nothing you say is ever worth replying to. Carry on.

JohnnyKnockdown · Jan 31, 2011

Keshav

How could you equate running the number 1 plate in club racing to running the number 1 plate in moto gp. Club racing and moto gp have nothing in common. If you have the number 1 plate in club racing that means you were first in the championship. MotoGp is infinitly different. If Lorenzos runs the number 1 than that means he was first in his championship. Can't you see the difference man?

Moto Gp riders put hundreds of laps per year on their bikes and all club racers do is put hundreds of laps per year on theirs.

You must stop giving us all this invaluable knowledge about how racers tick because you club racers know nothing about racing.

Keshav · Jan 31, 2011

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Keshav

How could you equate running the number 1 plate in club racing to running the number 1 plate in moto gp. Club racing and moto gp have nothing in common. If you have the number 1 plate in club racing that means you were first in the championship. MotoGp is infinitly different. If Lorenzos runs the number 1 than that means he was first in his championship. Can't you see the difference man?

Moto Gp riders put hundreds of laps per year on their bikes and all club racers do is put hundreds of laps per year on theirs.

You must stop giving us all this invaluable knowledge about how racers tick because you club racers know nothing about racing.

You're as obtuse as ever. The prevelence of superstition amongst racers is universal. The pressure

to be number one is very high to a club racer or a Camel Pro rider (I've raced both series). When

riding in either series - being the best amongst your peers - is the be all and end all - and

that dynamic is the same in MgP - it's just the stakes are bigger. Remember - all pro racers start out

as club racers. That's the time when they are young and most impressionable; and if you don't think they take their predjudices and quirks along with them as they ascend the ranks from novice, to expert to pro to MotoGP - then you don't know the first thing about human nature.

And BTW - how would you presume to know what a club racer does or doesn't know? You've never even been in an actual race. Far as I can tell you're just another ill-tempered guy with a big bike that he uses to go back and forth to the 7-11. As I recall - you've never even done

an actual track day.

Hayden Fan · Jan 31, 2011

Mental Anarchist said:
I actually think NOT taking the number one plate is an ego or even more so an arrogance thing. It says "I am bigger than the sport and I put me before the tradition and the team who put me here".

It's more of a marketing piece than anything else.

I honestly cannot remember Doohan's number (as he held the #1 plate for so long). Then if Rossi took the number, he'd as well, lost that luster that people felt when they saw the 46.

bluegreen · Jan 31, 2011

Keshav said:
You're as obtuse as ever. The prevelence of superstition amongst racers is universal. The pressure

to be number one is very high to a club racer or a Camel Pro rider (I've raced both series). When

riding in either series - being the best amongst your peers - is the be all and end all - and

that dynamic is the same in MgP - it's just the stakes are bigger. Remember - all pro racers start out

as club racers. That's the time when they are young and most impressionable; and if you don't think they take their predjudices and quirks along with them as they ascend the ranks from novice, to expert to pro to MotoGP - then you don't know the first thing about human nature.

And BTW - how would you presume to know what a club racer does or doesn't know? You've never even been in an actual race. Far as I can tell you're just another ill-tempered guy with a big bike that he uses to go back and forth to the 7-11. As I recall - you've never even done

an actual track day.

I thought he was agreeing with you.

And on Rossi's number. I thought he got it from a Japanese wild card racer that he really like to watch as a kid?

Bunyip · Jan 31, 2011

Motogp is big business and a manufacturer spends a fortune aiming to be number one, so that when a rider wins the world championship for them, the team (manufacturer) has a strong desire to display the number one plate. Not to do so, could be construed as selfish and arrogant.

I agree with MA and disagree with Keshav (sorry friend

). C,mon Keshav! Superstition?? You can do better than that.

michaelm · Jan 31, 2011

woody996 said:
I think the whole thing about the number 1 plate is nothing more than an available option for the latest champion. I put forward the counter argument earlier as Lorenzo's choice was used to put down Rossi's choices in previous years. If Lorenzo wants to wear it, go for it. If he doesn't, it doesn't mean he should be looked down on either.

Sure, I have no problem with him doing either. He is probably also one guy with the confidence not to worry about a jinx etc as some riders (not valentino who has his own reasons including marketing now if not initially) appear to do.

Tom · Feb 1, 2011

woody996 said:
I think the whole thing about the number 1 plate is nothing more than an available option for the latest champion. I put forward the counter argument earlier as Lorenzo's choice was used to put down Rossi's choices in previous years. If Lorenzo wants to wear it, go for it. If he doesn't, it doesn't mean he should be looked down on either.

I think it is more than an available option, i would consider it a tradition and like i said before proper etiquette. Having said that, it is a choice, not a requirement, but not many riders have turned down the number 1 plate. Superstition is definitely something that effects some riders a lot more than others. On top of that, my original post was very pro Lorenzo because a skeptic would definitely suggest that for Jorge to take the number 1 plate and turn it into his initials is having his cake and eating it too. I'm just glad that Lorenzo has gone with number 1, i think its the right thing to do and i think it looks good on the track. If Lorenzo was a horrible unsporting person he should have put in a request to run number 46

Tom · Feb 1, 2011

Hayden Fan said:
It's more of a marketing piece than anything else.

I honestly cannot remember Doohan's number (as he held the #1 plate for so long). Then if Rossi took the number, he'd as well, lost that luster that people felt when they saw the 46.

Didn't doohan start as 27 or something then just run where he finished from then on?

BarryMachine · Feb 1, 2011

Tom said:
Didn't doohan start as 27 or something then just run where he finished from then on?

Thats pretty right except I think his initial number was not 27? In the thirties I think ...... I have a vid so i will check in the next few days.

Edit: Just checked and you are dead right Tom

I know Stoner says he idolised Doohan but I never even realized the number thing

#22 · Feb 1, 2011

I ran the #1 when I had the option to. Sure its an ego boost but also recognition for your team (if you have one)

BarryMachine · Feb 1, 2011

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Ohh.... just so you know; this is me ignoring you because nothing you say is ever worth replying to. Carry on.

Obviously you are good at "ignoring" too

most folk at club level would take 5 seconds ( this could be a JBism ) to realize that the opportunity for running a club number "1" occurs only at club championships so for all other race days ( maybe say 20 a year when you are young and keen

) ......... which of the say 5 club champions gets to run the number one on the day

As for comparing a race day with a track day .......... get real ......... track days are heavily policed guided tours

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BarryMachine · Feb 1, 2011

#22 said:
I ran the #1 when I had the option to. Sure its an ego boost but also recognition for your team (if you have one)

Agreed, thats were the real pressure to run the number one comes from.

#22 · Feb 1, 2011

BarryMachine said:
As for comparing a race day with a track day .......... get real ......... track days are heavily policed guided tours

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Wow, i'm gonna put this in my diary as the day we actually agreed on something!

ptk50 · Feb 1, 2011

bluegreen said:
I thought he was agreeing with you.

And on Rossi's number. I thought he got it from a Japanese wild card racer that he really like to watch as a kid?

good that you think - problem is your thoughts are wrong

Keshav · Feb 1, 2011

Hayden Fan said:
It's more of a marketing piece than anything else.

I honestly cannot remember Doohan's number (as he held the #1 plate for so long). Then if Rossi took the number, he'd as well, lost that luster that people felt when they saw the 46.

Exactamundo! Give that man a prize!

Goatboy · Feb 1, 2011

All individualism shall be stamped out.

Lorenzo will run # 1 plate

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