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synn said:
The most powerful engine on the grid gets away with soft tyres by cooking the custom EMU.
That will be gonerino next year.
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Do you mean IMU?

And if yes then along the same lines would that not also nulify the potential advantages of the HRC IMU (a potentially cooked one as well) that allows MM to run such incredible lean angles and make those amazing saves today?

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2018/05/29/corrado_cecchinelli_on_why_the_spec_imu.html

https://www.bikesmedia.in/reviews/motorcycle-inertial-measurement-unit-imu-explained.html

So in the end, possibly making the Honda in 2019 much more difficult to ride than it is today....?
 
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MigsAngel said:
Do you mean IMU?

And if yes then along the same lines would that not also nulify the potential advantages of the HRC IMU (a potentially cooked one as well) that allows MM to run such incredible lean angles and make those amazing saves today?

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2018/05/29/corrado_cecchinelli_on_why_the_spec_imu.html

https://www.bikesmedia.in/reviews/motorcycle-inertial-measurement-unit-imu-explained.html

So in the end, possibly making the Honda in 2019 much more difficult to ride than it is today....?
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Yes Migs that tricky ecu is saving all those front end loses, not Marquez’s elbow and knee. 2007 revisited electronics.

Let me make it plain. Can Lorenzo ride a bike like Marquez? Not a snowball in hells chance. That’s not the reason Honda signed Lorenzo.

Can Marquez learn to ride a bike like Lorenzo? Entirely plausible, and critically if yes, shut the gate, the horse will be well and truly bolted.
 
Keshav said:
Attention Deficit?
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Jumkie said:
This is what you do. Most people don't notice it, then when YOU instigate a flame war and people are " inconvenienced" with relentless klogging, we get gutless people chiming in as if provocation was mutual. Your quip above is unprovoked. But that's what you do, don't expect me to ignore it, I've made no pledges. I don’t expect anyone to call you out on your attempt to derail this thread. Have the balls to talk to me directed you feckless ..... This is what you do, underhanded indirect chickenshit provocation. 22 was talking to me, and even though he took a little mild dig with the "AD bandwagon" quip, I ignored it and debated the discussion, however. I have no intention of ignoring your indirect wisecrack directed at me Kancer. Who enjoys the drama? You're aways looking for a way to start some .....

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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Jumkie said:
We're not friends, you're simply prone to instigation. You ever heard of the saying, 'don't start nothin there won't be nothin'.

Incidentally, classic Kesh as usual, you back up your provocation with another ... and insult. If you don't want to read me taking you apart then don't start ..... The forum members aren't the only ones tired of derailed threads and long posts dressing you down a notch, I'm tired of it too. Though I'm not opposed to doing it when you give me reason. I've ignored your chickenshit jabs in the past but as of late, I'm not in the mood to give you a pass. Exercise some self-control for once without going full ...... like your boy IamPhony, and responding with some unhinged reaction, saving us 'all' from a back and forth. Run along Kesh

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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Jumkie said:
First of all, you derailed this thread. You are responsible, and others should recognize you're the culprit. When the threads digress the fault should be placed on you solely.

Second, classic Kesh, unable to take responsibility for your own actions. You have repeated this lame justification for provocation before, 'well look at that other guy, so you can be an ......., right?'

Kesh, you have raised falsehood against me personally of the most vicious type, lies about my integrity, parenting, moral character, disposition, etc. There is no "mild/slight" attack from you towards me. Your lack of self-awareness continues to be on exhibition. I consider you evil, disturbing, and a dangerous psychopath, nothing less.

You lost all credibility, speaking of moral high ground Mr. Pledge, and you become increasingly unhinged, even used the same justification for your racist attack then employing the exact same pattern of ........ as you have used here again, 'you were being slightly mild', "hey guys it's nothing, just some stupid silly thing, right' (you got iamPhony convinced) and 'hey, look at Synn, he's just as bad, bla bla, so I can be a racist ....... too'. Something is disturbingly wrong with you Kesh.

These "mean girls" are people with the balls to call you out by name as the forum pariah. This thread here again neatly highlights how you do it and the pattern you use to weasel your way out of it. Kesh, I've met you, I know how I treated you (unconditionally kindly) and in return you've uttered the most heinous .... about me, you don't think there is a difference between people debating obtuse about racing as opposed to you taking a ... at me about having some attention deficit disorder (to add to the plethora of .... you've said over the years)? That has .... all to do with racing, as obtuse as others may interact (not justification for it) they have never met eachother, we have, and you turned out to be an utter coward piece of .....

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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Jumkie said:
Oooh, sounds ominous. You're a first rate koward Kesh. The forum Kancer. Every time you do this it confirms you're the resident forum troll, instigator of flame wars, thread klog, and disturbing chickenshit kunt. Yes, you're the problem. This thread was running smoothly, you weren't getting enough attention, so you threw in some provocation then followed it up with typical Kancer modus operandi. The same pattern: throw in a dig, act like it was no big deal, double down, refuse responsibility, gaslight, weasel, and throw fuel on the flames. Who started this round? KANCER. Who is the forum pariah? KANCER. The forum Koward.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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Jumkie said:
This is typical, Kancer trolls out of nowhere, his little klone backs him up aimlessly, and his ..... shows up on cue. Classic trolling trio of kunts.

Kancer King Troll
Little Klone Troll
..... Machine Troll

.... off ..... Machine. Say something worth while for once in your pathetic life.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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:type::type::type:
 
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synn said:
The most powerful engine on the grid gets away with soft tyres by cooking the custom EMU.
That will be gonerino next year.
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Yeah sure genius..........

Emu-3.jpg
 
Keshav said:
It'll be interesting to see how Lorenzo copes with being beaten by Dovi on the Duc.
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It would be more interesting if you put Jumkie and everyone else on ignore that you can’t control your vile impulses with. Until that happens, this forum will continue to be ruined.

Keshav said:
I haven't put Jumcakes on ignore. Why? The other guys are just on autopilot and nothing anybody says affects them because they're all so psychopathically disconnected. Jummy-buttons however goes nuts just by virtue of the fact that I'm still here. As long as he continues to run his lie factory - I will continue to mock him. When he finally shuts up I will stop replying.
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You stated, “ as long as he continues to run his lie factory- I will continue to mock him. When he finally shuts up I will stop replying ” ( BTW Captain Grammer Nazi, a dash doesn’t replace a comma)

Was his lie factory in production when you “ mocked him”? The answer is there for all to see. He wasn’t even mentioning, quoting or debating with you and you decided to mock him, thus instigating Keshav flame war # 456.
 
Little Walter said:
Some dark night when you're watching Game Of Thrones re-runs on your no-name flatscreen from Walmart in some ...... pink painted motel Florida flophouse with hot and cold running palmetto bugs on the edge of town choking down a half-heated Hungry Man frozen dinner you will reach out to the people you call "friends" and they won't return your calls because you're a bitter loser.
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Don’t mind your posts, but find JPS s valuable contributor myself.
 
Jumkie said:
Kesh today cannot say one bad thing about me regarding the way he was meticulously cared for, something I regret. Here is a small detail, though there are many I could recount; I hosted him at our campsite and transported him in my RV with my personal friends and some forum members (most gone but some still here) despite him being a guest he claimed to need special treatment to a private bedding space in the RV, with limited space and a large group of individuals, my RV was full, which included my family. I accommodated him because I am this way to a fault, I thought, perhaps he has some medical issue and I didn’t want to cause him any embarrassment. Who makes demands as a guest? I figured he need this special treatment, even to the detriment of my own family! Keep in mind, I had just met him too. To this day it pains me when I think about it, the overgenerous treatment I provided, I put my own family out in a common area to accommodate him and his “needs”. This should give you pause Pye. What kind of man then turns around and slanders you in this way? [/B]
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This has got to be one of the weirdest and brazen stories Ive ever heard. You transported Kesh, your family and a bunch of other guys in your RV and he asked you to displace your wife/children from the only private sleeping quarters in the RV.
He fully expected you to put your family to sleep on the floor and in bunks, next to a bunch of rowdy, intoxicated, farting guys, while he could have his own private space??

WHAT THE ....??
This can't be real. No sane person would impose on people like that. I'm embarrassed just reading that someone could do that without shame. I recall Willski telling me he slept outside on that trip, because he didn't want to impose on your family privacy and space.
That is what normal people do. What he did is like showing up to your house and demanding that he sleep in the master bedroom. Worse actually because at least a house has spare bedrooms rather than hard RV floors.
This story is proof that Keshav is a deranged and extremely weird individual.
I can only guess why he needed his own sleeping quarters. Probably so he could do drugs or jerk off all night thinking about all those guys in the next room.
....... creep
 
JohnnyKnockdown said:
This has got to be one of the weirdest and brazen stories Ive ever heard. You transported Kesh, your family and a bunch of other guys in your RV and he asked you to displace your wife/children from the only private sleeping quarters in the RV.
He fully expected you to put your family to sleep on the floor and in bunks, next to a bunch of rowdy, intoxicated, farting guys, while he could have his own private space??

WHAT THE ....??
This can't be real. No sane person would impose on people like that. I'm embarrassed just reading that someone could do that without shame. I recall Willski telling me he slept outside on that trip, because he didn't want to impose on your family privacy and space.
That is what normal people do. What he did is like showing up to your house and demanding that he sleep in the master bedroom. Worse actually because at least a house has spare bedrooms rather than hard RV floors.
This story is proof that Keshav is a deranged and extremely weird individual.
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It's not a mistake, this is what he required. I regret it myself, as I was kind to a fault. You would think a normal person might think back and based on how he was treated, compartmentalize his conflicts and spare me his attacks. This flare up is an ongoing flame war that he instigated in the first place because of some odd lack of self-awareness and self-control. It's no different than on this thread. As you quoted above, even as he said he wouldn't interact with me unless I mentioned him, yet again he has insulted me out of the blue unprovoked. Not just him, look at little klone and ..... Machine, interjected when clearly you can see this .... started with kancer (as it always does). The only people with the balls to point this out are then attacked by the usual suspects. That's the forum we get.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
RG500Gamma said:
Guys please please please please please just stop! This is the best motogp forum out there, I’m sure you guys know this. I understand some of you know each other personally and there is some animosity and disputes but please can you just let it go? It’s not like one committed a crime against the other. Please you’re all knowledgeable and I love reading some of the posts that are very insightful but your fights are just getting out of hand. Every other forum I’m a member of I’ve met memebers in person and became friends with them. Isn’t that the whole purpose?! You’ve been talking to each other for more than a decade, that’s admirable ..... just let it go......please
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Can you take a moment and identify how this began on this thread? You don't have to go back and understand the history, just this single thread. You don't have to go back that far, it has an obvious focal point. Can you identify this person by name?


I appreciate what you're saying as far as this being an insightful forum, you're now part of it. You have an opportunity then to chime in with specification. You wouldn't tell a robber and the robbed, 'hey you two, please please knock it off.' Would you. Seems absurd, right? Yet this is exactly what you've done. Take a moment, scroll back in this thread, find the exact point and see you instigated to derail this thread.


You do a disservice and not helping when you lump the perpetrator in with those defending. Do you require that I just let Kesh make disparaging comments without retort? You wouldn't stand for it.

You're fairly new, but this pattern has repeated many years. Most people seem afraid of Kesh, and like any bully, they attract cowards that enable them like little klone and ..... Machine (I didn’t always call them this but I've learned now it's futile to interact with these on a reasonable level). This thread is as clear as every single one that has been ruined, it's a replica of how it starts, always with the same person, Kesh.

You took a moment to chime in, that's the first step. Thanks. Now please scroll back and identify the exact name that instigated. I'll save you some time, I have described it on post 144.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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michaelm said:
Don’t mind your posts, but find JPS s valuable contributor myself.
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I'll ask you the same question Mike, what posts are you talking about? Click on his profile, there is a feature where you can survey his last 100+ posts. Most of those since the beginning of the season are aligned 'interjection' (there's a difference) on the ongoing flame wars that Kesh instigates. Few about racing actually, worse almost all his posts are interjections for which he has 'no standing' in the interaction.

Even your buddy Barry Machine has again interjected in exactly the same way. He had zero standing. You've acknowledge it above indirectly, BM's participation in detailing threads ruining the flow is ok with you? This is fascinating to me only because your post above acknowledges this dynamic, otherwise I wouldn't bother asking you this question. How is this missed? How is this ok with you (given your acknowledgment above: "don't mind your posts" acknowledgment of the dynamic of threads derailed)?

Indisputable:

1. Thread 'was' flowing smoothly, on topic.
2. Kesh throws in unprovoked attack at me. (I was talking with 22 for .... sake)
3. I point out his gutless indirect provocation (post 144).
4. Others identify the exact culprit as Kesh.
5. Little klone and Barry machine feel compelled to defend Kesh, the culprit, and align themselves with him. (why, can you explain this odd dynamic?)
6. Kesh downplays his instigation (note: pattern), does not cop responsibility (note pattern), instead flames the interaction further (note: pattern).
7. People chime in, hey guys stop it please (no attempt to actually identify the exact instigator).
8. Repeat. The recurring blueprint of Keshav's & friends derailment of threads and ruining of forum.


I'll add, JK quoted Kesh above where apart from his many pledges, in particular singled me out as not on ignore, stating that he would not interact or provoke me in any way as long as he didn’t have reason to, see below. What has happened on this thread? Kesh once again attacks out of blue and unprovoked. If nothing else Mike, can you at very least acknowledge this?



Keshav said:
I haven't put Jumcakes on ignore. Why? The other guys are just on autopilot and nothing anybody says affects them because they're all so psychopathically disconnected. Jummy-buttons however goes nuts just by virtue of the fact that I'm still here. As long as he continues to run his lie factory - I will continue to mock him. When he finally shuts up I WILL STOP REPLYING.
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Another one of Keshav's pledges. Who can point out before post 144 where I had any interaction with Kesh?



Anybody sick of ruined threads who chime in to express their frustration about klogged, destroyed, ruined threads? If you don't have the courage to speak up when it's this clear then it's disingenuous to express frustration over derailed threads.

It can't be any clearer than this Mike, or for any member here.

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The other question I have for you and the forum members is this, what is the forum we prefer? We can't really have it both ways, we either point out those who instigate flame wars by name and alienate them or accept flame wars without reservation. I'm fine with either actually. But I find it disingenuous when inevitably we get people expressing their frustration when threads are derailed without the courage of identifying how they start. These people accept the instigator then chime in when the other side defend themselves. How does this make sense? If this is the forum we prefer, I'm happy to oblige with attacks and unprovoked mockery of members since this seems to be the space we prefer.
 
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michaelm said:
Don’t mind your posts, but find JPS s valuable contributor myself.
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I posted this briefly and thought better of it and deleted it because it seemed too mean even for him. I think he's a very valuable contributor when he's not jumping on the mean girls bandwagon.
 
Little Walter said:
I posted this briefly and thought better of it and deleted it because it seemed too mean even for him. I think he's a very valuable contributor when he's not jumping on the mean girls bandwagon.
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If by mean, you mean those who have meaningfull relationships with each other, on and off the forum, than you are right.
For some reason you keep insisting on siding with the one that shuns meaningful interaction, and the other who has the sole distinction of destroying meaningful relationships in real life.
Maybe it’s because misery loves company, but your defense of them is baffling. You don’t have opposite race opinions of them so why is that? Have you even read the meetup threads? Do the mean girls sound like ...... people?
You’ll get nothing out of trying to befriend Barry, and if you ever meet up with Kancer, he may not steal your girl, but he will steal her bedroom
 
Keshav, you obviously can`t control yourself or you find joy when people argue because of you.

You quoted 22`s post in his exchange with Jumkie, trying with "Attention Deficit?" to lure him to confirm that, and antagonizing them too?

Stop with this ...., you`re not behaving like an old man but like a spoiled brat. I`ve asked you before, but you`re helpless man, it`s sad.

Stop being the forum`s arsonist.
 
Jumkie said:
Can you take a moment and identify how this began on this thread? You don't have to go back and understand the history, just this single thread. You don't have to go back that far, it has an obvious focal point. Can you identify this person by name?


I appreciate what you're saying as far as this being an insightful forum, you're now part of it. You have an opportunity then to chime in with specification. You wouldn't tell a robber and the robbed, 'hey you two, please please knock it off.' Would you. Seems absurd, right? Yet this is exactly what you've done. Take a moment, scroll back in this thread, find the exact point and see you instigated to derail this thread.


You do a disservice and not helping when you lump the perpetrator in with those defending. Do you require that I just let Kesh make disparaging comments without retort? You wouldn't stand for it.

You're fairly new, but this pattern has repeated many years. Most people seem afraid of Kesh, and like any bully, they attract cowards that enable them like little klone and ..... Machine (I didn’t always call them this but I've learned now it's futile to interact with these on a reasonable level). This thread is as clear as every single one that has been ruined, it's a replica of how it starts, always with the same person, Kesh.

You took a moment to chime in, that's the first step. Thanks. Now please scroll back and identify the exact name that instigated. I'll save you some time, I have described it on post 144.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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I am not defending anyone, I’ve been reading posts on here for a long long time before I joined. And I’m honest when I say that I’ve read some of the most insightful motogp opinions on this forum than anywhere else. Now it’s none of my business what happened between you and Keshav but I love and aways look forward to meeting new people and form friendships. I’ve read some of the things you wrote about your meeting way back when and how you welcomed him and went out of your way to make him feel extra comfortable and I honestly and truly appreciate that. That’s how I treat anyone that I invite to be my guest and that tells me a lot about what kind of person you really are so kudos.
But you guys had a fallout at some point and instead of dealing with it privately you made it a public affair. I don’t mean to interfere, my call for peace was just a simple and I guess naive attempt to calm things down. Clearly things are very complicated between OG members here, I guess I shouldn’t have commented so please disregard anything I said and carry on gents.
 
gekko1ro said:
Keshav, you obviously can`t control yourself or you find joy when people argue because of you.

You quoted 22`s post in his exchange with Jumkie, trying with "Attention Deficit?" to lure him to confirm that, and antagonizing them too?

Stop with this ...., you`re not behaving like an old man but like a spoiled brat. I`ve asked you before, but you`re helpless man, it`s sad.

Stop being the forum`s arsonist.
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Thank you. Sometimes I wonder if I see the same posts as everyone else. Sometimes I think this is the Twilight Zone.

I prefer to discuss racing, and I think my record of posting is generally on topic (it's not difficult to check, anyone can click on eachother's profile and scroll down individual posts from the member). The discussions have been fascinating and frankly quite insightful.

Let's see if we can get back on topic, as you restore my faith in this forum by courageous taking the first step. I'll take the 2nd step then...

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This is a remarkable time in MotoGP. Lorenzo's pivot to Honda is, without ever yet turning a wheel, a balance of power shift. The question for next year is this: who 'cannot' win the title? The short list of those who can, has it grown by 1,2?

Marquez
Dovizioso
Rossi
Viñalez

Lorenzo?
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Petrucci?

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
RG500Gamma said:
I am not defending anyone, I’ve been reading posts on here for a long long time before I joined. And I’m honest when I say that I’ve read some of the most insightful motogp opinions on this forum than anywhere else. Now it’s none of my business what happened between you and Keshav but I love and aways look forward to meeting new people and form friendships. I’ve read some of the things you wrote about your meeting way back when and how you welcomed him and went out of your way to make him feel extra comfortable and I honestly and truly appreciate that. That’s how I treat anyone that I invite to be my guest and that tells me a lot about what kind of person you really are so kudos.
But you guys had a fallout at some point and instead of dealing with it privately you made it a public affair. I don’t mean to interfere, my call for peace was just a simple and I guess naive attempt to calm things down. Clearly things are very complicated between OG members here, I guess I shouldn’t have commented so please disregard anything I said and carry on gents. [emoji4]
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I appreciate what you've said, and I think it's commendable that you think enough of this forum to speak up and protect its insight. I agree, I'm a member of 5 different motorcycle forums, this one is the best for out of the box gems. I really do wish we had more members, even those I disagree with because they push us to make meaningful discussions.

As I said, you don't need to go back any further than 'this thread', it's all been laid out as of post 144. I think it's fair for me to ask you at very least acknowledge how this flare up started as Gekko has above (whom I've never had any personal interaction with and is no different than you as far as bias or alliances.) Please RG500, can you at least do that? As I think it's reasonable to ask when there is a clear instigator that derailed THIS thread. Otherwise your attempt to make this space a better place really falls flat. Thank you for the thoughtful reply above.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
Jumkie said:
I'll ask you the same question Mike, what posts are you talking about? Click on his profile, there is a feature where you can survey his last 100+ posts. Most of those since the beginning of the season are aligned 'interjection' (there's a difference) on the ongoing flame wars that Kesh instigates. Few about racing actually, worse almost all his posts are interjections for which he has 'no standing' in the interaction.

Even your buddy Barry Machine has again interjected in exactly the same way. He had zero standing. You've acknowledge it above indirectly, BM's participation in detailing threads ruining the flow is ok with you? This is fascinating to me only because your post above acknowledges this dynamic, otherwise I wouldn't bother asking you this question. How is this missed? How is this ok with you (given your acknowledgment above: "don't mind your posts" acknowledgment of the dynamic of threads derailed)?

Indisputable:

1. Thread 'was' flowing smoothly, on topic.
2. Kesh throws in unprovoked attack at me. (I was talking with 22 for .... sake)
3. I point out his gutless indirect provocation (post 144).
4. Others identify the exact culprit as Kesh.
5. Little klone and Barry machine feel compelled to defend Kesh, the culprit, and align themselves with him. (why, can you explain this odd dynamic?)
6. Kesh downplays his instigation (note: pattern), does not cop responsibility (note pattern), instead flames the interaction further (note: pattern).
7. People chime in, hey guys stop it please (no attempt to actually identify the exact instigator).
8. Repeat. The recurring blueprint of Keshav's & friends derailment of threads and ruining of forum.


I'll add, JK quoted Kesh above where apart from his many pledges, in particular singled me out as not on ignore, stating that he would not interact or provoke me in any way as long as he didn’t have reason to, see below. What has happened on this thread? Kesh once again attacks out of blue and unprovoked. If nothing else Mike, can you at very least acknowledge this?





Another one of Keshav's pledges. Who can point out before post 144 where I had any interaction with Kesh?



Anybody sick of ruined threads who chime in to express their frustration about klogged, destroyed, ruined threads? If you don't have the courage to speak up when it's this clear then it's disingenuous to express frustration over derailed threads.

It can't be any clearer than this Mike, or for any member here.

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The other question I have for you and the forum members is this, what is the forum we prefer? We can't really have it both ways, we either point out those who instigate flame wars by name and alienate them or accept flame wars without reservation. I'm fine with either actually. But I find it disingenuous when inevitably we get people expressing their frustration when threads are derailed without the courage of identifying how they start. These people accept the instigator then chime in when the other side defend themselves. How does this make sense? If this is the forum we prefer, I'm happy to oblige with attacks and unprovoked mockery of members since this seems to be the space we prefer.
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My intention was to support JPS, whom I do value as I said and who I understand posts under some difficulties at times.

I just demonstrated to myself once again that allowing myself to become sufficiently annoyed to take issue with a poster personally is counterproductive, having managed to insult McZee, a relatively recently joined poster whom I hold in great esteem while having a shot at Synn. I found in my flame war with Cliche and to some extent when I had my dispute with Roger that even if I win I lose, I don’t enjoy demeaning other people even if I think they deserve it at the time.
 

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