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Lorenzo - Bruised Confidence or Struggling with Bruises?

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A question that Tom and I talked about in another thread seemed interesting enough to throw up as its own thread. For those of you that are Lorenzo fans, this isn't a bashing thread....just trying to see what is going on in the other side of the Yamaha garage.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 1 2008, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey Tom, don't know if you have a take on this, but as a Lorezo guy do you think he's got a confidence issue for real now...or just off the mark a bit due to the temporary pain/injury....I'd really like to see him up front again.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 1 2008, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dunno man, there was apparently a small bike problem in assen, but he wasnt happy he pretty much ran the same race as Donny from the 3rd row. I think the tell will come after the summer break. Ultimately he has nothing left to prove this year, we know what he is capabale of so all he has to do is learn all he can and be rookie of the year.

So the question is, is Lorenzo having difficulties in the past couple races just the result of his injuries, or does anyone think he's having a little trouble getting back into the saddle?
 
Give him some time.This guy just needs more times to gain full confidence. Several crashes in a row ain't no fun. Next year he's gonna be a massive threats to the others, even for his own team mate.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Jul 2 2008, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Give him some time.This guy just needs more times to gain full confidence. Several crashes in a row ain't no fun. Next year he's gonna be a massive threats to the others, even for his own team mate.


well said.

We know this kids got guts, and without a doubt got the talent to win races. I say look out next season for a championship contender.
 
from Autosport, pretty much both (but mostly confidence)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Speaking to Gazzetta dello Sport, Lorenzo admitted the injuries and setbacks have hit him hard.

"I even thought of quitting, but never seriously," he said. "It's too bad crashing several times over your broken ankles, finding your fingers broken, suffering a lot and realizing that with these bikes you can hurt yourself very badly.

"I want to be more prudent. MotoGP bikes are taller and more powerful than the 250cc ones. If you fall you have massive momentum. To be afraid in a world as competitive as this one means finding yourself down in 14th-15th place. You can't do that."

Lorenzo had been tipped as a championship contender early in the season but has now slipped to fourth overall in the standings - 57 points adrift of world championship leader Dani Pedrosa.

And he thinks it will take him a while before he rediscovers the form that had made him so strong in the early part of the campaign.

"I'll be competitive again only at the end of the season. First I need to get more experience in MotoGP, to better understand the behaviour of these bikes and, most of all, find again confidence in myself."

Once he has that confidence back, the rest of the grid better watch out.
I have to say, as much as I found him an arrogant .... in 250s, I like him now. He seems pretty honest about the whole thing. For those of you who saw him with Suzi post-race, he was very clear on which parts of riding needed improvement.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sally @ Jul 2 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>from Autosport, pretty much both (but mostly confidence)

Once he has that confidence back, the rest of the grid better watch out.
I have to say, as much as I found him an arrogant .... in 250s, I like him now. He seems pretty honest about the whole thing. For those of you who saw him with Suzi post-race, he was very clear on which parts of riding needed improvement.

great find....I missed that article......the reason I was worried about it not being as much injury related is because the guy has either no pain threshold or one so high its not even visible.....hopefully he'll find his groove soon....
 
I think he did a little too well too soon.

First few races he was probably relaxed, was just gonna do the best he could do and surprised even himself with how well he did...and then the pressure was on, he made some mistakes and got hurt. Now his confidence isn't there anymore, plus he's decided to not put any further pressure on himself and risk further injury. Which is very wise.
 
It's neither.

Yamaha have realized that he hasn't gotten the crashing out of his system, and he still needs improvement before he can be a championship contender.

They have detuned his bike slightly and softened his setting to make sure he brings the bike home. You'll see. Later in the season he will say he that the Bridgestones are still slightly better or he'll say he needs to learn how to setup the Michelin package.

All the while he won't realize he's being sent off the rostrum by his own team. If Pedro opens a larger gap, Jorge will suddenly be quick again because they need him to beat his countryman.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 2 2008, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's neither.

Yamaha have realized that he hasn't gotten the crashing out of his system, and he still needs improvement before he can be a championship contender.

They have detuned his bike slightly and softened his setting to make sure he brings the bike home. You'll see. Later in the season he will say he that the Bridgestones are still slightly better or he'll say he needs to learn how to setup the Michelin package.

All the while he won't realize he's being sent off the rostrum by his own team. If Pedro opens a larger gap, Jorge will suddenly be quick again because they need him to beat his countryman.
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You can't be serious.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>(mylexicon @ Jul 2 2008, 01:59 PM)

Yamaha have realized that he hasn't gotten the crashing out of his system, and he still needs improvement before he can be a championship contender.

They have detuned his bike slightly and softened his setting to make sure he brings the bike home. You'll see. Later in the season he will say he that the Bridgestones are still slightly better or he'll say he needs to learn how to setup the Michelin package.

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has lorenzo ever been hurt before ?

it takes some riders a bit of time to get back up to speed after getting hurt. look at capi when he busted his hand in 2000 or 2001 i think it was.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 2 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He's a .......scared...lost his edge..he'll be gone soon.

Oh man....yah.....big time .........i love broken ankles.....and hell if i can smash my head against the ground and then still ride........that's fagget.....lol....i know you can't be for real...lol
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 2 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's neither.

Yamaha have realized that he hasn't gotten the crashing out of his system, and he still needs improvement before he can be a championship contender.

They have detuned his bike slightly and softened his setting to make sure he brings the bike home. You'll see. Later in the season he will say he that the Bridgestones are still slightly better or he'll say he needs to learn how to setup the Michelin package.

All the while he won't realize he's being sent off the rostrum by his own team. If Pedro opens a larger gap, Jorge will suddenly be quick again because they need him to beat his countryman.
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I actully find some truth in this one. In the after the race interview, Jorgay couldn't understand what was wrong with his bike. He said from teh start there was something wrong with the engine. I guess that it could very well be the engineer was given instruction to soften the bike a bit.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 2 2008, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I actully find some truth in this one. In the after the race interview, Jorgay couldn't understand what was wrong with his bike. He said from teh start there was something wrong with the engine. I guess that it could very well be the engineer was given instruction to soften the bike a bit.
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Very plausible...

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 2 2008, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can't be serious.
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Oostin lex is from a different dimension. you must allow for that. he's also a dmg stooge.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 2 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I actully find some truth in this one. In the after the race interview, Jorgay couldn't understand what was wrong with his bike. He said from teh start there was something wrong with the engine. I guess that it could very well be the engineer was given instruction to soften the bike a bit.
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Thanks for that tidbit of info. Anyway I'm sure it's true whether I have proof or not. The kid nearly suffered the same fate as Mr. Rainey in the trap a few weeks ago. Yamaha need him to be alive and in good health in the future. They'd be stupid not to take the edge off of his bike. He's no good if he doesn't score points, no matter how fast he's going.

How many more millions do Yamaha need to send into the gravel traps before the doubters believe teams might actually pull these types of stunts?
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Is there any marginal benefit to a Jorge win at this point? Only if he's going to finish ahead of Pedrosa, I suppose. Jorge will be fast when Pedrosa is fast and Rossi is not. You'll see. The press will play it up as a competitive rivalry. Really FIAT want Jorge to make sure Pedrosa doesn't win.
 
I really think he needs to get a bit more experience. The guy is fast and has a shitload of talent. I almost like him but I can't still for some reason. If he was on the ducati it would be easier but he is still a cocky little .... and I would seriously kick his ... if I ever met him. Then we would be friends.
 
I have to wonder if his concussion took a few % out of his raw riding ability. His loss of confidence might be partially due to him realizing that he's not quite as sharp as before. Post-concussion effects can linger for weeks. The physical symptoms - his slight loss of ability - should have disappeared by now, but his confidence is lagging a little. Barring a disaster in Germany, I think he'll be back to full form by Laguna.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 2 2008, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>has lorenzo ever been hurt before ?

He won Le Mans last year with a fractured Heel. But i don't think he's taken anything serious to contend with.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 2 2008, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he is still a cocky little ....

Away from the circuit he is actually one of the nicer, more level headed riders.
 
I heard him being interviewed where he spoke at some length about being afraid, and how it was holding him back. He was saying racing is important but one's health must come first, slightly reminiscent of Melandri last year. I think he's still recovering. He's young enough to be able to overcome this. I like Lorenzo, the kid has character. He still wants to be Valentino Rossi when he grows up, only now he's realising it mightn't be as easy as he originally thought it would be.
His complete honesty also shows he's still really young and naive. You don't put yourself out there saying "I'm scared". That's giving the competition a big edge over you. I think he'll be back on form before the end of the season.
As for Yamaha messing with his setup....who knows? Better a few points per race than destroyed bikes and a rider that stops getting to his feet after a fall. If he can handle 100% of what his bike can throw at him i guess it'll be better for getting his confidence back than knowing he's not riding at his limit.
 

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