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Lightweight Pedro

moto vudu said:
Dani being the lightest rider is something that's completely in his control. There's nothing preventing him from workingout and eating to gain more weight/muscle.
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Thank you Doctor Vudu. :rolleyes:

Apparently you've never heard of little things like bulemia or thyroids maybe, say the metabolism. There are so many factors that can limit weight gain or weight loss. Do you seriously believe that DP doesn't take advantage of every possible state of the art food supplements? Do you really believe he doesn't work out every day? There's only so much weight a person can gain when they constantly train. Anybody who knows .... about pro athletes knows they have high metabolisms. There's only so much muscle a person can gain without turning into a muscle bound freak. Pedrosa clearly has the desire, but lacks the stature. Nobody who suffers through that many injuries and keeps coming back, can believably be said to be not trying hard enough. You need to lay off the Ayn Rand dude.:p
 
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Having been a pro boxer and hung out with pro fighters for most of my life, the boxing example isn't great. Boxers starve themselves for years to be at the lightest possible weight that moving up in weight normally means they starve themselves a little less and cut a little less weight for the weigh in. Manny Pacquaio as an example was a malnourished 16 year old when he turned pro at 16, he was still feeling the effect from that when he won a title at 112 when he was still a teen. As his body aged and he started being able to eat properly he had to cut so much weight that after he lost his title he skipped a few divisions and started fighting at 122 immediately. This turned into a quick move up to 126 then onto 130 where he quickly became known as one of the biggest weight drainers in boxing. His in ring weight when he was at 130 was 145, compared to his in ring weight at 147 which is about 148. Boxers putting on in ring weight is normally down to filling out naturally with age and eating more. It's not often the in ring weight is put on by making a massive effort to put on weight by using supplements like a body builder would.

For Pedrosa as already mentioned he may struggle to put on weight. For all we know he is naturally without the nutrition and the weights he might weigh 45kgs. If he has worked hard to put on extra weight that could be a cause of all the arm pump issues he's had. The arm pump issues might also be like he can't afford to put on more weight if he's at his natural weight. Putting on weight is a lot harder when you have to do a lot of cardio for your sport. The double edged sword is that the bigger he is, the more endurance he would need to have to carry the extra weight. Which he could only get by doing more cardio, which then would make it harder to put on weight. You see the problems Pedrosa is likely faced with and it's not a simple black or white issue.
 
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Little Walter said:
Thank you Doctor Vudu. :rolleyes:

Apparently you've never heard of little things like bulemia or thyroids maybe the metabolism. There are so many factors that can limit weight gain or weight loss. Do you seriously believe that DP doesn't take advantage of every possible state of the art food supplements? Do you really believe he doesn't work out every day? There's only so much weight a person can gain when they constantly train. Anybody who knows .... about pro athletes knows they have high metabolisms. There's only so much muscle a person can gain without turning into a muscle bound freak. Pedrosa clearly has the desire, but lacks the stature. Nobody who suffers through that many injuries and keeps coming back, can believably be said to be not trying hard enough. You need to lay off the Ayn Rand dude.:p
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Double Penetration?
 
Either way, the weight issue is twaddle, MotoGP is tailored to midgets which is why you never see anyone above 70 kilograms doing anything of note. The reason why he's never won the title is because there's always been somebody better than him.
 
p4p1 said:
Yes, there's plenty and guess what... they don't ever move up in much weight and remain effective.
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I never followed boxing. Only ever seen heavy weight and welter weight fights. Are you talking feather weight or midget tossing?
 
Little Walter said:
I never followed boxing. Only ever seen heavy weight and welter weight fights. Are you talking feather weight or midget tossing?
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There's 17 weight classes in all, lightest is the aptly named Minimumweight which is for fighters who weigh no more than 105lbs all the way up to Heavyweight which is for anyone over 200lbs. Too many divisions if you ask me.
 
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Little Walter said:
I never followed boxing. Only ever seen heavy weight and welter weight fights. Are you talking feather weight or midget tossing?
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Featherweight is 57kgs most of those guys would have 10kgs on Dani and 4+ inches in height on him.
Guys that are Dani's size fight at mini flyweight(47.6kgs), light Fly(49kgs)and maybe flyweight(50.8kgs). Mini flyweight would be where Dani would fight because he would dehydrate before the weigh in and take off the 3.5kgs in water weight.

Anyway the point I'm making is that guys who are Dani's size often struggle moving up and generally don't look anywhere near as good if they add weight. I believe the use of boxers as an example was uninformed and wrong, I was stating why I believed it was and we got way off track.

It's not just boxing there is a lot of sports where bulking up can hinder your overall game as an athlete. There is a size for everyone where they are at their balance of speed, strength and endurance is best. Dani might have found himself worse off if/when he tried to add weight, the point is that it's not as simple as just put weight on and that'll fix everything because for Dani it might cause more issues and he might feel more confident going into the season knowing there will be races he won't be competitive and hopes that it's balanced out by the hot days where his smaller size helps him with tyre preservation and chase down the leaders at the end of the race. You'd have to be a moron to believe it's not something he at the very least considered exploring before coming to the conclusion that it could cause more problems than it fixes.
 
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p4p1 said:
Featherweight is 57kgs most of those guys would have 10kgs on Dani and 4+ inches in height on him.
Guys that are Dani's size fight at mini flyweight(47.6kgs), light Fly(49kgs)and maybe flyweight(50.8kgs). Mini flyweight would be where Dani would fight because he would dehydrate before the weigh in and take off the 3.5kgs in water weight.

Anyway the point I'm making is that guys who are Dani's size often struggle moving up and generally don't look anywhere near as good if they add weight. I believe the use of boxers as an example was uninformed and wrong, I was stating why I believed it was and we got way off track.

It's not just boxing there is a lot of sports where bulking up can hinder your overall game as an athlete. There is a size for everyone where they are at their balance of speed, strength and endurance is best. Dani might have found himself worse off if/when he tried to add weight, the point is that it's not as simple as just put weight on and that'll fix everything because for Dani it might cause more issues and he might feel more confident going into the season knowing there will be races he won't be competitive and hopes that it's balanced out by the hot days where his smaller size helps him with tyre preservation and chase down the leaders at the end of the race. You'd have to be a moron to believe it's not something he at the very least considered exploring before coming to the conclusion that it could cause more problems than it fixes.
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Do you believe it is a weight issue though or just another excuse as to why he's struggling? Short circuit riders benefit from being smaller I think.
 
AntG said:
Do you believe it is a weight issue though or just another excuse as to why he's struggling? Short circuit riders benefit from being smaller I think.
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Honestly I think there is an issue with his weight. I think enough top level riders have spoken about his weight being an issue. There's been a few races over the last couple of years where he just hasn't been able to get heat into the tyres when everyone else can. Michelin does have a notoriously narrow operational window, with as the riders have said a few degrees track temperature difference means they need to change the setup again. It would make sense that his smaller size compounds those problems. I don't believe it was as much of a problem in the Bridgestone era though and he doesn't deserve a pass for not being able to deliver a title during those years.

I still think for Honda unless they signed Lorenzo he's probably their best option for a number 2 rider.
 
It's not like asking a marathon runner to put on weight and stay competitive. As has been said, Dani only needs an extra five kilograms. There is undoubtedly a problem for Dani to gain weight.
 
MotoGP rider=Top rank boxer, obviously.



If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
JohnnyKnockdown said:
His current agility isn't working out so well either
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Hahaha, good one.

I'm not one to defend Pedrosa. But the Michelin has ended his career of coming first loser/ runners-up. I just hope he's not replaced with Cal Crashloads. I'd rather Pedro continue to ride ..... than be replaced by one. It's not looking good for Pedro now that Michelin have been signed up for 5 more years of manipulation. There was a time when Alberto Puig could call Michelin and get the Rossi treatment, those days are long gone. I don’t see HRC hiring Pedro past his current contract though.

Who should replace Pedro?

1. Lorenzo (Marc's camp would veto).
2. Zarco (but HRC would never hire an old guy).
3. Morbidity (he's going to a satellite team, his stock will fade).

Hell, Marc's camp will probably lobby for Cuntslow. Perfect replacement for Pedro, ...... inconsistent rider, arrogant like the old Pedro, non-threat, though a hell of a lot more expensive.

Btw, I don’t hate Pedro anymore. I kinda feel sorry for him. Am I going soft?

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
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Jumkie said:
Hahaha, good one.

I'm not one to defend Pedrosa. But the Michelin has ended his career of coming first loser/ runners-up. I just hope he's not replaced with Cal Crashloads. I'd rather Pedro continue to ride ..... than be replaced by one. It's not looking good for Pedro now that Michelin have been signed up for 5 more years of manipulation. There was a time when Alberto Puig could call Michelin and get the Rossi treatment, those days are long gone. I don’t see HRC hiring Pedro past his current contract though.

Who should replace Pedro?

1. Lorenzo (Marc's camp would veto).
2. Zarco (but HRC would never hire an old guy).
3. Morbidity (he's going to a satellite team, his stock will fade).

Hell, Marc's camp will probably lobby for Cuntslow. Perfect replacement for Pedro, ...... inconsistent rider, arrogant like the old Pedro, non-threat, though a hell of a lot more expensive.

Btw, I don’t hate Pedro anymore. I kinda feel sorry for him. Am I going soft?

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
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It's hard to know who you would replace Pedro with. Lorenzo as you pointed out is the best choice, his development work would probably be invaluable to HRC who haven't started a season with a great bike since 2014.

Zarcos stock might fade once he gets next years version of the bike. That 2016 Yamaha is a great bike and could be flattering him.

I don't see them taking Cuntslow, despite having very similar machinery he can't outperform Dani who has had 2 or 3 weekends at least this season where he couldn't get heat into the tyres and couldn't run a decent time because of that. 2016 is looking to be an anomaly for Cal.

Aleix could be in with a shot, he's done well on every bike he's ridden. He's fairly consistent, doesn't chuck it down the road a hell of a lot and he's Spanish.

Most likely, Pedrosa stays unless he gets a better offer elsewhere.
 
JohnnyKnockdown said:
Can't get heat into the tires is a ........ excuse. Pedrosa is a worthless rabbit turd that has failed for 11 years on an alien bike tailored to him for much of that time. He's such a loser piece of .... that he's not worthy of a thread discussing anything about him other than why does Honda continue to give a test rider the 2nd factory seat
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I really do wish we could get a "dislike" box not just the "like" one, it would save us having to denounce the crap that a times falls out of your gob. :mad:
 

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