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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jan 1 2009, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72596
"there is speculation that jorge martinez could be involved in a potential private bid to run the kawasaki bikes and operation - perhaps with some financial help from motogp organizers dorna."

i thought about this when i first read this news. martinez already had sponsors lined up for a team but kawa insisting on nakano as rider seemed to have killed it.
Well Kawi should bite the bullet and the hell with having pride and a jap rider right now. If they have any real pride at all they would find a way to have anyone that has the ability to ride the bike and take any money thrown their way for if they do and survive they will be all the better for having done so. Then maybe they can have their precious jap rider that will never get any better than a mid packer when all is said and done with the economic crisis.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Grand Prix no longer makes financial sense.

I think its like most things, Moto Gp has been killed by targets set by Dorna, first 4 strokes, then engine size, tyres corner speeds, TC etc etc etc etc. If they had just let it evolve naturally we proberly would have a fairly full grid still.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 2 2009, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LINK

Especially in light of MotoGP's rival world championship—World Superbike. The WSBK series features production-based motorcycles and dramatically lower costs. How much lower? It's estimated that Kawasaki could race an entire half-season of WSBK—with a well run team—solely on John Hopkins' MotoGP salary.

That says it all for me....Fire No-Hoper and hire McCoy for cheap.
The worse case then would hvae been that Kwak gets a rider that CAN get on the podium and you save yourself a boat of load of cash for the team.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Jan 1 2009, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>this from the story about Honda maybe pulling out of MotoGp a few weeks back not found the official ruling on this yet

If Honda did pull out of MotoGP, it would have a devastating effect on the series. Honda currently provides 6 of the 19 bikes on the grid, and with FIM rules requiring a minimum of 15 entries for a world championship series, the prospects of the 2009 MotoGP season being run as a cup

we know that points are awarded down to 15th place so maybe that's the minimum number of entrants ?

Thank you...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ninja10 @ Jan 2 2009, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think its like most things, Moto Gp has been killed by targets set by Dorna, first 4 strokes, then engine size, tyres corner speeds, TC etc etc etc etc. If they had just let it evolve naturally we proberly would have a fairly full grid still.
YEp I think your right. I would also say that if you really look hard at the situation. Pedrosa and Honda killed MOto GP. If it wasn't for them we would still have the big bikes and the rest of the grid that is missing today possibly even more. Sucks cause we almost had Illmor for a while but they folded which sucks. Sure they weren't going to see the top of the podium but they may have been able to get there with practice and work.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ninja10 @ Jan 2 2009, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think its like most things, Moto Gp has been killed by targets set by Dorna, first 4 strokes, then engine size, tyres corner speeds, TC etc etc etc etc. If they had just let it evolve naturally we proberly would have a fairly full grid still.

The switch from 500 smokers to 990s was the best idea they ever had..the sport became better...the fan base increased...everything was good in the world.....its the switch to 800s plus unlimited electronics that is killing it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jan 2 2009, 02:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That says it all for me....Fire No-Hoper

OMG Mig, you figured out whats wrong with MotoGP! Its Hopper's fault.
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.... if its a matter of salary, then lets get rid of Rossi and save the entire series.
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Why don't we just kick out all the overpaid Americans. Thats what you want to say but no balls to say it.
 
It would seem Honda F1 and Kawasaki MotoGP seem to be the same boat ?
Taking in water, and bailing it out with expensive buckets !
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 2 2009, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OMG Mig, you figured out whats wrong with MotoGP! Its Hopper's fault.
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.... if its a matter of salary, then lets get rid of Rossi and save the entire series.
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Why don't we just kick out all the overpaid Americans. Thats what you want to say but no balls to say it.

Though the article was about the GP problem....the point being made and the topic of the thread is about Kawasaki's possible pull out of GPs....Hopper's salary is an example of team Green spending money on a part or a tool that did not give any improvement their performance at all....

The rest of the American riders should stay if they can get good results to show they are worth their salary. If they are not then they can/will be shown the door.

Regarding Rossi.....I think his 2009 title and several wins....and his and JBs development of the M1 over past few years show he is worth every penny paid to him and more.....the same cannot be said about Hopkins....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Jan 1 2009, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>FIM rules requiring a minimum of 15 entries for a world championship series, the prospects of the 2009 MotoGP season being run as a cup

???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jan 2 2009, 06:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thank you...


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>MotoGP have in turn a contract with the FIM, the governing body of motorcycle racing, which guarantees a minimum of 18 riders if the series is to retain the status of a world championship. Source: motogpmatter.com
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jan 2 2009, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Though the article was about ...

Regarding Rossi.....I think his 2009 title and several wins....and his and JBs development of the M1 over past few years show he is worth every penny paid to him and more.....the same cannot be said about Hopkins....

Dude, out of that entire article you homed in on Hopkin's salary. Uhm, it is also mentioned its the weakest machine he was on. Are you gonna factor that into your assessment of his talent and ability, or you gonna take the narrow minded and easy view to scapegoat the guy? Put Rossi on last year's Kawaker, if he doesn't win the title, then is he really worth the 40+ mill?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 2 2009, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dude, out of that entire article you homed in on Hopkin's salary. Uhm, it is also mentioned its the weakest machine he was on. Are you gonna factor that into your assessment of his talent and ability, or you gonna take the narrow minded and easy view to scapegoat the guy? Put Rossi on last year's Kawaker, if he doesn't win the title, then is he really worth the 40+ mill?
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http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Dec/081230uq.htm

This is article we are talking about.....and it seems to be missing the point you are trying to make....

Admittedly 2008 was not a banner year for John or Kawasaki.....but when you fail to show up for practice due to a hang over during race weekend.....I tend to start doubting they have ability and no bike would save his flagging (if he ever had any) talent....

Regarding Rossi....he did ride the 2008 Kwak....he just call it the 2006 M1.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jan 2 2009, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Dec/081230uq.htm

This is article we are talking about.....and it seems to be missing the point you are trying to make....

Admittedly 2008 was not a banner year for John or Kawasaki.....but when you fail to show up for practice due to a hang over during race weekend.....I tend to start doubting they have ability and no bike would save his flagging (if he ever had any) talent.....

I'd get piss drunk to if i had to race that p.o.s.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jan 2 2009, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is article we are talking about....
Ah yes, well couple this with the motogpmatters article and I still don't think its Hopper's fault man. Oh please, the 06 M1 was not as ...... as the 08 Kwaker.

And getting a hangover cuz you stayed out all night with umbrella girls cuz you got in a fight with your girlfriend is hardly a reason to blame a man. Man rules, something you don't know about...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 2 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah yes, well couple this with the motogpmatters article and I still don't think its Hopper's fault man. Oh please, the 06 M1 was not as ...... as the 08 Kwaker.

And getting a hangover cuz you stayed out all night with umbrella girls cuz you got in a fight with your girlfriend is hardly a reason to blame a man. Man rules, something you don't know about...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Dec 31 2008, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is there a rule that requires a certain amount of bikes to run a series???
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Those rules are television based. The FOM and there television packages requires 20 cars (they have 18 currently). FOX/ESPN require 43 cars. I am sure MotoGP is in the same deal. 18 bikes are so are the minimum.

Failure to do so, means the promoters receive less money.

Hence why I agree that WSB is the premier series. They have 30ish bikes.

Al, didn't you use my Man-Card to smoke some weed with?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 2 2009, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah yes, well couple this with the motogpmatters article and I still don't think its Hopper's fault man. Oh please, the 06 M1 was not as ...... as the 08 Kwaker.

And getting a hangover cuz you stayed out all night with umbrella girls cuz you got in a fight with your girlfriend is hardly a reason to blame a man. Man rules, something you don't know about...
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If being insecure with one's self and going on a drinking binge with umbrella girls for the sake of 'revenge' is what you call being a Man...... than I'd have to say Jumkie, You'd take the cake.
 
How does it work? Hopper brings in a huge sponsor monster to a piece of .... team and he doesn't get any of that pie. Don't they pay most of his salary anyway? If Kwak brought in a no name, bringing no sponsorship, would they be better off?

Migs isn't it Hayden's fault that we are in this mess anyway. He was the one that beat Pedrosa on the 990s. Im sure Edwards, Laguna Seca and Indinapolis has a big portion of the blame to take as well.
 

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