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Kwak OUT?!?!

i don't know if he should take this ride if it does materialise. he might be better off just sitting the season out if unable to secure a sbk ride, which seems highly unlikely this late in the season, ala max biaggi & then snag a sbk ride next season. gonna be a tough choice no matter what.
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Although its not a particularly pleasant thing to bank on, Marco could always wait to replace an injured rider somewhere. Chances are someone in a major championship will get hurt at some point in the season and if Marco is free he could have a chance to prove himself again and perhaps afiliate with potential employers for the following season.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Feb 10 2009, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>as much as i like marco, he semms to be making a hell of a lot of demands for a rider with no saddle and is trading on his 2nd place in the 2005 championship. that was a long time ago and its the 800s now, a bike which he is yet to prove himself on....

I agree with you Al, as ideal as it would be for him to make demands for a competitive ride, beggars can't be choosers. His terrible season at Ducati and in my opinion terrible attitude towards the whole Ducati affair, really make is stock a lot less valuable. At this point, should he want to salvage anything of his "MotoGP" career, he should take what he can, work his ... off, show a good attitude, and then hope to get back on with a Honda in 2010. Of course all of this is still up in the air to begin with. The drama this year has been as good as the silly season.
 
Seems it's finally about to get off the ground...here's the latest:

http://www.sportmediaset.it/motori/articol...colo20582.shtml

Here's a quick translation...bear with me..it's long so might not be perfect..

MELANDRI-KAWA, very close to a deal!
Ezpeleta's mediation tranquillizes constructor and rider
by Guido Meda

This time there could be 24, or maybe 48 hours at most till the announcement that Melandri and Kawasaki can embark together on the 2009 season.

The delicate and onerous work carried out by Carmelo Ezpeleta throughout this month of uncertainty has brought peace of mind to Melandri and that bit more of determination that Kawasaki needed to launch the project. The Dorna president has always insisted on the fact that "Kawasaki has to respect its contractual obligations".

He could have opted to not care less and go down the legal route, demanding the penalties, but intstead he committed himself to bring one more bike to the grid and to keep Melandri racing. He has remembered that Melandri has won a world championship in 250, he was runner up in the Motogp World championship in 2005, he was fourth in 2006 at just 24 points from Hayden who was champion and in 2007 (a very difficult season) he was always fifth! He has won 5 Grands Prix, when Pedrosa, the king of two worlds, has won six. Are we there yet? There, in this sense, if this has a positive outcome, this time we can say that Ezpeleta has carried out his managerial obligations well.

In truth, the house will not be officially competing in the world champtionship, and as already mentioned, they might not even carry their logo onto the track. More than a Kawasaki, Melandri's bike would in practice be a "Karmela" or an "Ezpesaki", an adventure which would be based on what the Japanese house has done so far and the support that Dorna has found for it from here on.

Ezpeleta would then have 18 bikes on the grid which guarantees the minimum required as per regulations, but he would also be taking care of Melandri's career, who is certainly not an untalented rider. The solution would only involve Melandri, while Hopkins has already for some time been pursuing the opportunity to move to another championship which could be Superbike, where there is a need for riders who can bring in some cash.

It is not yet known how and who will guarantee the maintenance and production of the engines which will be required to finish the season, even if having just one bike in MotoGP would allow the Japanese in Akashi to follow the team as "externals" but with the ease that comes from following a drastically resized project. Without taking into consideration that the basic ZXRR that Melandri ran in the first test in 2008 configuration was not that displeasing to start off with.

The conclusion is that Marco wants to race and could be close to concluding. His initial instinctive thoughts from a month ago when he said "If I have to race just to make up the numbers I'd rather stay home", might have given way to a more rational reasoning which could be along these lines: I'll race for another year giving it all I've got, knowing I'm leaving from rock bottom and anything else better than that will be a plus.


So in theory, if this goes through, Kawa is out (or in but only unofficially), Melandri is in and the bike is "Dorna sponsored". I think we can expect a Spanish sponsor to step forward at this point. Maybe Movistar or Telefonica?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Feb 11 2009, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Seems it's finally about to get off the ground...here's the latest:

http://www.sportmediaset.it/motori/articol...colo20582.shtml

Here's a quick translation...bear with me..it's long so might not be perfect..

MELANDRI-KAWA, very close to a deal!
Ezpeleta's mediation tranquillizes constructor and rider
by Guido Meda

This time there could be 24, or maybe 48 hours at most till the announcement that Melandri and Kawasaki can embark together on the 2009 season.

The delicate and onerous work carried out by Carmelo Ezpeleta throughout this month of uncertainty has brought peace of mind to Melandri and that bit more of determination that Kawasaki needed to launch the project. The Dorna president has always insisted on the fact that "Kawasaki has to respect its contractual obligations".

He could have opted to not care less and go down the legal route, demanding the penalties, but intstead he committed himself to bring one more bike to the grid and to keep Melandri racing. He has remembered that Melandri has won a world championship in 250, he was runner up in the Motogp World championship in 2005, he was fourth in 2006 at just 24 points from Hayden who was champion and in 2007 (a very difficult season) he was always fifth! He has won 5 Grands Prix, when Pedrosa, the king of two worlds, has won six. Are we there yet? There, in this sense, if this has a positive outcome, this time we can say that Ezpeleta has carried out his managerial obligations well.

In truth, the house will not be officially competing in the world champtionship, and as already mentioned, they might not even carry their logo onto the track. More than a Kawasaki, Melandri's bike would in practice be a "Karmela" or an "Ezpesaki", an adventure which would be based on what the Japanese house has done so far and the support that Dorna has found for it from here on.

Ezpeleta would then have 18 bikes on the grid which guarantees the minimum required as per regulations, but he would also be taking care of Melandri's career, who is certainly not an untalented rider. The solution would only involve Melandri, while Hopkins has already for some time been pursuing the opportunity to move to another championship which could be Superbike, where there is a need for riders who can bring in some cash.

It is not yet known how and who will guarantee the maintenance and production of the engines which will be required to finish the season, even if having just one bike in MotoGP would allow the Japanese in Akashi to follow the team as "externals" but with the ease that comes from following a drastically resized project. Without taking into consideration that the basic ZXRR that Melandri ran in the first test in 2008 configuration was not that displeasing to start off with.

The conclusion is that Marco wants to race and could be close to concluding. His initial instinctive thoughts from a month ago when he said "If I have to race just to make up the numbers I'd rather stay home", might have given way to a more rational reasoning which could be along these lines: I'll race for another year giving it all I've got, knowing I'm leaving from rock bottom and anything else better than that will be a plus.


So in theory, if this goes through, Kawa is out (or in but only unofficially), Melandri is in and the bike is "Dorna sponsored". I think we can expect a Spanish sponsor to step forward at this point. Maybe Movistar or Telefonica?

I have thought for a long time that dorna should be taking less profit and putting more money back into the sport, but had not envisaged this particular method. I have even less confidence in ezy's ability as a prospective team manager
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than I do in his ability as a steward of motogp in general. (EDIT)The only worse alternative would be to sue kawasaki if he was serious about this.

Marco may have limited options after last year; it has been said he impressed kawasaki last year in a secret trial before they contracted him, and I don't know that many others were lining up to sign him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 11 2009, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have thought for a long time that dorna should be taking less profit and putting more money back into the sport, but had not envisaged this particular method. I have even less confidence in ezy's ability as a prospective team manager
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than I do in his ability as a steward of motogp in general.

Marco may have limited options after last year; it has been said he impressed kawasaki last year in a secret trial before they contracted him, and I don't know that many others were lining up to sign him.
I don't know about how 'correct' this method of involvement on Dorna's part is either. Dorna should be impartial and not taking sides. However, the alternative is a 17-bike grid (not up to regulations) which would only fuel the 'get rid of gp..superbike is better' chat. And if, as is apparently the case, the alternative would have been to pursue Kawa down the legal route things could've got ugly.

As for Marco...his old seat back on Gresini's team was offered to him. He preferred the new challenge. I feel bloody sorry for him at this point.
 
marco keeping all his options open.
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DOHA: MotoGP star Marco Melandri will be making his Speedcar Series debut at the Losail International Circuit this week. The world champion of the 2002 MotoGP (250 cc) season will team up with Heinz Harald Frentzen driving for Team Lavaggi. The Italian biker will for the first time be racing a car on a permanent circuit having appeared in a touring car race at the Bologna Motor Show in 2006.

Melandri may be new to car racing but he is familiar with the Losail International Circuit having ridden on the track in the MotoGP.

It will be of interest to see how his biking experience will help him in a Speedcar.

Fourteen drivers and seven teams will compete in Speedcar Series’ first night race over the race weekend. The third leg of the season will also see 2 other new drivers, Qataris Ahamad Al Kuwari and Sheikh Fahad Al Thani join the fray. The two local drivers will form the QMMF (Qatar Motor and Motorcycle Federation) team. Both drivers will have the advantage of having raced on the track before when competing in the Qatar National Road Racing Championship (QNRRCH). Former Formula One drive Jacques Villeneuve will also be seen in action at the Losail International Circuit.

The driver entry list Speedcar Series Season 2, Round 3 in Qatar is as follows:

Driver Country Car No. Team

Jacques Villeneuve, Canada, 96 Durango

Christopher Zoechling, Austria, 25 Durango

Jean Alesi, France, 27, HPR

Marchy Lee, China, 50, HPR

Johnny Herbert, Britain, 69, JMB

Damien Pasini, France, 13, JMB

Gianni Morbidelli, Italy, 10, Palm Beach

Thomas Biagi, Italy, 04, Palm Beach

Ahamad Al Kuwari, Qatar, 95, QMMF Team

Fahad Al Thani, Qatar, 59, QMMF Team

Marco Melandri, Italy, 33, Team Lavaggi

Heinz Harald Frentzen, Germany, 80 Team Lavaggi

Vitantonio Liuzzi, Italy, 20, UP Team

Hasher Al Maktoum, UAE 85, UP Team
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Feb 11 2009, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And if, as is apparently the case, the alternative would have been to pursue Kawa down the legal route things could've got ugly.

As for Marco...his old seat back on Gresini's team was offered to him. He preferred the new challenge. I feel bloody sorry for him at this point.
See my edited post which I wrote before your reply.

I was something of a marco fan and was looking for him to do well with ducati. As for gresini I thought it was complicated by them having signed other riders but you would obviously be better informed than I am.
 
I think Melandri is a talented rider, and he couild be bloody good, but if I was a team manager, there would be plenty of others ahead of him on my list.
There are plenty of talented riders, and after his effort with Ducati, Marco has a bad attitude as a quitter. Ducati was not the best bike in 2008, and maybe Stoner is freakisly good and not a reasonable benchmark, but Marco decided he couldn't ride the Ducati, so gave up. He was better than last 2 - 3 in every race.
If I was a team manager I would be looking for the next Stoner or Rossi, not a quitter that expects to be treated like a rockstar.

In saying that, I really hope Melandri and Kawa have a good year in 2009, for Marco's sake, for Kwawasaki's sake, and for MotoGP's sake.
My prediction is that Marco will announce that the Kawa is a piece of ...., and he will ride around at the back rather than risk turning himself upside down.
If I ran the team, I would try to bring back Ant West. He was no good on qualifying tyres and so always started well back in the race. His race times were good. He knows the bike and the development curve so far, he knows the engineers, and with everyione on same tyres, I think Westy would be a good second rider to push Marco, and Kawasaki wouldn't need to pay him much (if anything).
To push Marco he needs a fast team mate on similar equipment, who will show him up if he is being lazy.
 
^I actually think you are mostly right there.

Actually, I bet that if Melandri and West rode the same Kawasaki, Melandri would have to ride his at his best to be better.

But at this point, I'm not sure if West would go back to "Kawasaki" even if the place was offered to him (doubt that would ever happen). Maybe he'd rather fight for wins in supersport.
 
LINK

Melandri Agrees To Ride "Dornasaki"?

by dean adams
Tuesday, February 10, 2009
Sources in Europe this afternoon confirm that Italian Marco Melandri has agreed to ride the ex-Kawasaki MotoGP bikes this season. Insiders suggest that Dorna will run the team independently and the bikes will be not be branded with the Kawasaki logo.

Dorna is attempting to acquire the Kawasaki machines and run them through a self-sponsored effort in 2009.

ENDS

Post this story to: digg
 
After listening to West talk about his Kawasaki experience I believe he would tell them to go shove it if they offered him a seat back.

From the sounds of all this drama, it appears Ezy is really pushing hard to get to that magical 18 bikes number. I wonder if Ezy is getting real pressure to get to 18 or MotoGP will be declared not official in 09?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 11 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LINK

Melandri Agrees To Ride "Dornasaki"?

by dean adams
Tuesday, February 10, 2009
Sources in Europe this afternoon confirm that Italian Marco Melandri has agreed to ride the ex-Kawasaki MotoGP bikes this season. Insiders suggest that Dorna will run the team independently and the bikes will be not be branded with the Kawasaki logo.

Dorna is attempting to acquire the Kawasaki machines and run them through a self-sponsored effort in 2009.

ENDS

Post this story to: digg


hmmmm but what about development/factory supplies/missed tests/setup/feedback/ etc.
defo last place material & if any one drops out of a race then a chance of a point or two.

pointless project really much too late for input from Dorna.what have they been

WATCHING/SEEING

since 2007 ?

they look like they stuck in Mr Gordon Brown syndrome and he's full of .... too
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Feb 11 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>After listening to West talk about his Kawasaki experience I believe he would tell them to go shove it if they offered him a seat back.Maybe, but Kawasaki wouldn't be running the show any more. The reasons he was pissed might be gone.
 
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Melandri to race at Losail… in Speedcar

Wednesday, 11 February 2009
Italian keeps busy with participation in four-wheel Qatari night race.

A man currently in professional limbo, former MotoGP World Championship runner-up Marco Melandri has guaranteed that his latest on-track participation will come in an evening race at the Losail Circuit in Qatar. However, rather than the MotoGP season-opening Commercialbank Grand Prix of Qatar, the Italian’s appearance will be part of the 2009 Speedcar Series on February 12th-14th.

Melandri will form part of the Team Lavaggi squad for his first car race since 2006, accompanying erstwhile Formula 1 star Heinz Harald Frentzen. The two will compete against each other and a further twelve drivers in the Speedcar Series’ first ever night event.

Household names taking to the track this week will be ex-Formula 1 drivers Jacques Villeneuve -World Champion in 1997-, Johnny Herbert and Jean Alesi, whilst Melandri will be the only two-wheel star turning his hand to car racing for the event.

Melandri is still waiting on news of possible participation in the 2009 MotoGP World Championship following Kawasaki’s announcing their intention to withdraw from the series.







NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
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Melandri and hopper on secret, thoroughly tested, knife sharp, blisteringly fast ZX10R's in shock WSBK title threat.. WOOP WOOP!

i mean, sigh.

Ive had two kwaks and loved them both, unfortunately for the same bad manners
that doesnt serve too well on a gp track. And I think the green bikes look sick an the field of red white and blues.

As for the zzzzsaki, oh well at least i will be able to deflect all snide remarks about the kwakkas performance by saying that its only half a kwakka, unlike last year. Oh well back to backing the aussies. Ill see you at laguna seca Chris n Casey.

PS. Westy was well on the cards as a MotoGP winner this year, until .... and the eco nazis spoiled the secret Kawasaki world climate change project. Snow and rain at every race, Westy would have been a shoe in.
 

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