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KTM MotoGP Bike

I think some of you guys may be in for a surprise if Red Bull is dumping a whole lot of money into KTM. Red Bull has some of the best motorsports engineers on the planet working for them...god help MotoGP if they ask Adrian Newey to explore aerodynamic design on a motorcycle.

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No doubting RedBull's prowess. But car engineers/engineering don't/doesn't easily translate to bikes. The integration requirements aren't going to be alien to them, but you'll be surprised at some of the ignorance around bikes from race car engineers.
Red Bull is a sponsor, no? Not the techical team behind KTM? I dunno who KTM has hired for engine nor chassis design.
Speaking of which. The trellis frame (I hate that term. Trellises support tomato plants, not engines and suspension. Even the table-esque "trestle" is a better term, but it should be bloody Spaceframe...but anyway...). The received "wisdom" was that the Ducati trellis <cough> had too much stiffness variation and thus inconsistent feel. What analysis, design and production processes are KTM using that Ducati weren't?
 
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Yes and No.
No doubting RedBull's prowess. But car engineers/engineering don't/doesn't easily translate to bikes. The integration requirements aren't going to be alien to them, but you'll be surprised at some of the ignorance around bikes from race car engineers.
Red Bull is a sponsor, no? Not the techical team behind KTM? I dunno who KTM has hired for engine nor chassis design.
Speaking of which. The trellis frame (I hate that term. Trellises support tomato plants, not engines and suspension. Even the table-esque "trestle" is a better term, but it should be bloody Spaceframe...but anyway...). The received "wisdom" was that the Ducati trellis <cough> had too much stiffness variation and thus inconsistent feel. What analysis, design and production processes are KTM using that Ducati weren't?

Red Bull money could get a whole lot of engineers is what I'm getting at. Yes they are a sponsor, but it's like I said earlier, the Austrians tend to stick together for the most part...a lot of people underestimate how strong the bonds tend to be in Austria....thicker than thieves. I watched it for years in F1.

I know there are things between both race car and race motorcycle design that precludes any overlap...motorcycle chassis has a lot to do with that as you mention. But if you've got the money, that's a half of the puzzle.

With Mateschitz throwing a ....-fit over F1 currently, I kind of wonder what would happen if Red Bull decided to move from being a sponsor to a full-fledged team in MotoGP. There was also that pending purchase by Mateschitz of the Salzburgring.

Of course there's the possibility KTM becomes Aprilia Version 2.0. :)
 
Having watched KTM over the years in off road and the huge improvements they made with their bikes, it will be interesting to see the commitment in MotoGP, they're definitely in the deep end now.
 
Having watched KTM over the years in off road and the huge improvements they made with their bikes, it will be interesting to see the commitment in MotoGP, they're definitely in the deep end now.

Ciggy packet-Lotus made a great point.
They got cash (in .... you quantity [anyone get the reference?]). Hopfully enough to put pride on the line and get competitive.
 
Kalio testing the KTM at Valencia:

KTM has continued the preparations for its entry into the MotoGP top flight with another test of its RC16 machine in the hands of Mika Kallio.

Following a shakedown of the bike last month at the Red Bull Ring, test riders Kallio and Alex Hofmann began work on fettling the RC16 with a full test in Spain alongside its Moto3 teams.

Moto2 race winner, Kallio – who competed with KTM in the 250GP class in 2008 before stepping up to MotoGP – was getting his first outing on the RC16 and was impressed with the initial feel on the bike.

“Clearly there was still a lot of question marks before the test, but I'm now very happy and I can go into the winter break with a good feeling. Alex and the team have already done impressive work, we had absolutely no problems and we're already on a really high level. Nevertheless we still have a long way to go and I'm looking forward to the next test.”

Hofmann, meanwhile, was also pleased to be getting feedback from, describing his lap times as 'respectable' in the circumstances.

“It's good to hear that what we have to say about the bike is going in the same direction. Mika was racing here a few weeks ago and he's still in full racing mode. He was able to put in very respectable lap times at the end of his first day on the bike. This makes it clear that the entire package is working, which is another important step for the team before the winter.”

With the manufacturer gearing up to enter MotoGP in 2017, KTM MotoGP consultant Mike Leitner was impressed with the progress the bike has made since its first roll-out.

“I'm very impressed with what the team has achieved in the four weeks since the rollout. There is already an excellent team spirit and this means a quick response onsite followed by considered action at the factory. The GP circuit at Valencia had a lot more grip than Spielberg (Austria's Red Bull Ring) but even this worked very well with our package.

“I'm also happy with our current driver line-up. Both are working very professionally and are very analytical. Alex (delivers many useful inputs and even after one day Mika is already at a level where we can continue to work on improving the entire performance.”

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I rode KTM for 6 years in the offroad segment, what I came away with was this. You pay more to get more. The Austrians build wildly powerful motors, and from what I've heard directly from KTM road riders the electronics are super intelligent. If they can bring that high compete level and drive to be the absolute best to MotoGP I see them doing very well in it. I'd love to see the Valencia laptimes and see what they mean by "respectable" lap times. Better than some of the smaller teams? Close to the big teams?

I'm super excited to see how they do!
 
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I would love if they kept the testing livery as the official one. Love the carbon fiber being fully visible.

I'm very excited to see if KTM comes up with a competitive bike right out of the gate. It sounds as if the engine has been properly vetted, so that takes care of a major piece to the puzzle. Just a matter of how fine-tuned their electronics turn out to be.
 

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