JEREZ GP 2012: RACE

Mr Squiggle said:

Both were on soft front...not sure about rear tyres. But I think they had identical combinations.



Lorenzo has been quoted as saying he "would have won with the different tyre".....which basically equates to "I could have beaten Stoner if I had a (perceived) tyre advantage." He looked quite perplexed that Stoner had beaten him....it was definitely a psychological blow for Casey.

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They were running the 'old' medium front, new soft rear, Lorenzo, Stoner and Pedrosa.

[font=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]For the front, most riders selected the new specification front slick tyre in the hard compound for better durability, while also benefiting from the improved rider feel provided by the new construction. However, the top three finishers in today’s race went for the medium compound front slick tyre for its better warm-up performance and better ability to remain in the optimal temperature range in case of rain during the race.[/font]



Masao Azuma – Chief Engineer, Bridgestone

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The other thing about the new tyres is that HRC preferred the '24' tyre, all the other teams preferred the '21', which is what the new tyre at Jerez was. Because Dorna went with the majority, that is the new carcass for the rest of the season, unless there is another technology update.



While the bulk of the riders at Jerez ran the 21 in soft compound, the carcass is more flexible than the more-rigid carcass, medium compound of the three front runners - the more flexible carcass giving the tyre faster heat-up, the harder compound giving longevity.





There are three compounds for the 21 carcass for Jerez, Estoril, Le Mans and Catalunya, reverting to two fixed compounds - hard and soft - from Silverstone on.



Complicating matters further they have designated certain tracks 'special case', "[font=Arial, Helvetica, Verdana,]by agreement between Bridgestone, the Safety Commission and organisers where, due to weather or track conditions, the availability of a third specification of front tyre is not necessary".[/font] Those are [font=Arial, Helvetica, Verdana,]Estoril, Le Mans, Silverstone, Assen, Phillip Island, Sepang and Valencia. Sepang being a 'special', special case - they will have a hard and a harder compound rather than a hard and a soft.[/font]



So if a more flexible carcass allowed the riders to run the hard compound at a cool race like Jerez (track temp was only around 15c), I wonder how the hard tyre will cope when they are racing with the 50+C track temps they experienced at Indy and Mugello. Could the extra flex in the carcass return to the days of 'chunking'?

MotoChick said:

You guys are so funny. Well some of you are and some of you are a little creepy

Thanks for all the responses. Im a little clearer now. I still think Green helmet guy should be reprimanded. I dont want to see anyone get hurt by someone elses negligence.

Your going to be dissapointed in me. I dont drink.................................................................wine that is. LOL. Wine is for pansies and girly girls. Im a tequila and beer type of girl. When its party time, ITS PARTY TIME!! No sipping allowed

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Hi motochick.

You say creepy then tequila. Im a bit worried about you now. There is a creepy guy around here who claims to have mind control over other forum members, all while he drinks away at tequila. I think its a bit like that movie, Gamer, staring Gerard Butler. You know the one, with the pretty girl suffering mind control by the creepy dude hiding in his bedroom?



Probably nothing to worry about, but have you always liked tequila, or just recently?



The green helmet guy is scared of rats, so Casey did him a favour and chased the rat away with his bow and arrow. Its all on twitter.



In turn, Casey is scared of those big red bikes. They knock him over because they are so wide.



So his friend Cal the green helmet guy did Casey a favour and pushed the red bike away to give space to get through. Check the vid, Casey #1 was behind the Green helmet. Then he overtakes both of them on that same corner.



Afterwards the red bike is clearly angry to have lost the chance to knock Casey down and goes off chasing him. The commentators even say Casey is worried because the red bike is behind him. So Cal comes to the rescue again and prevents anything like this happening again.......................

MotoChick said:

You guys are so funny. Well some of you are and some of you are a little creepy

Thanks for all the responses. Im a little clearer now. I still think Green helmet guy should be reprimanded. I dont want to see anyone get hurt by someone elses negligence.

Your going to be dissapointed in me. I dont drink.................................................................wine that is. LOL. Wine is for pansies and girly girls. Im a tequila and beer type of girl. When its party time, ITS PARTY TIME!! No sipping allowed

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Jum, this really gave you away.

Not your fault Chick, you are just virtual...

MotoChick said:

Your going to be dissapointed in me. I dont drink.................................................................wine that is. LOL. Wine is for pansies and girly girls.

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Damn - I guess that bottle of 2005 Domaine Romanée-Conti is gonna have to stay in the wine cellar!

How good is that!! The Boppers say Rossi can lean the bike over the most and BAM ....... look at the lean on Stoner!!



And he's waving to the fans whilst doing it!

J4rn0 said:

Jum, this really gave you away.

Not your fault Chick, you are just virtual...

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Its all making sense now ....... I think Jumkie is actually the "alter ego", look how much he ....... about Pedro!! Thats not a bloke!!

jazkat said:

pretty boring tbh



good ride from casey and jlo but i think they were lucky dani got held up.....



rossi....... pathetic



awesome job from cal



if lorenzo was on a honda i think casey would be settling for 2nd place quite alot.

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I think that is not true at all, Casey has & would adapt to any of the challenges that is put before him, think Ducati & then Honda...now we don't have to think Yamaha because they did win the WC with Jlo but that Yamy would be sweet for Stoner to win consistently on & the WC then he would go 1 better than VR

Didnt really know where to put this but did anybody see the Rookies Cup race? If not u should, its a battle royal. Btw, if u did see it, what was with all that debris? And the number of crashes, WTF!Also, i posted this in the Moto3 thread but it seems nobody cares, so i'll post here and see if anybody gives a .....

Jumkie said:

Regarding Moto3 Race: Crash fest. Last man standing won this one. I'll save my predictions about the future when the conditions are stable. Seeing so many kids crash to me looked like a blood sport of some kind was on display. How many riders had to go down on the same wet section of the track before the marshals were told to get thumbs out of .....? I'm actually a bit shock it hasn't been mentioned more in our fearless "safety conscience" race media, riders, and spectators alike. Race Direction FAIL (again)

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Here´s my take on all the crashes in the Moto 3.



The conditions wern´t unrideable, and more didn´t crash out than did. I feel that those that did crash made a mistake, and those that didn´t know how to handle those conditions better.



There was 3 crashes, in the same place nearly at the same time. My first thought was there must be some oil/gravel or whatever there on the track. There was a slick spot caused by the intermitent rain. Bet the kids are more cautious at Estoril this weekend!!

Mick D said:

Wow! This is shaping up to be a great season in MGP. Tyres bringing closer racing, Casey's pumped arm, HRC's chatter, Spies' demise and Cal's emergence (Dovi's plugging away...), Ducati - can they build a MGP bike ANYONE other than Casey (and his crew) can win a championship on, Nicky - still the hardest working guy in the paddock, Rossi - will one of the greatest ever GP racers be able to adjust mindset, ego and riding style to conquer the greatest challenge of his career - will he be allowed slink back to his comfort zone of Jap machinery - will his career die in a harsh and unexpected crash between himself, Ducati and the expectations of a nation, is Jerry Burgess' rep a sham, is the ART and dePuniet the 1000lb gorilla in the CRT cage or can Collie and FRT wrastle them down, and, of course - which wannabe can hook the best qualifying tow!! Oh, yeah, and Fenati... 'nuf said. Was it a real rabbit outta the hat? Or was is the psychological rabbit outta the hat? Yes, and in your world chocolate and vanilla are the only flavours...

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People fail to realize that Burguess never had to close a gap bigger than half a second by working over night AND most important they had a team mate with similar/identical riding style to copy hisa set-up if things went wrong.

Mick D said:

Oh, yeah, and Fenati... 'nuf said.

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Fenati has certainly had a dream start. It looks like the Team FIM Italy bike is well sorted - nothing like having an entire country as a resource It's also showing how much of a leg-up it has been for the teams and riders to get a whole season to work on the Moto3 bikes in the CEV Buckler cup, before starting the 2012 international series.

Fenati is like a new Casey Stoner ATM.

BarryMachine said:

Fenati is like a new Casey Stoner ATM.

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Yeah! 'Cause he grew up in the outback, on a farm, chasin' chooks, learnin' dirt track and sayin', "good on ya, mate"!!!

BarryMachine said:

Fenati is like a new Casey Stoner ATM.

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Not seen him without his lid, didn't realize he was another greetin faced wee .... who got his wee sister up the duff.

What did Fenati race in last year?

GeePee said:

What did Fenati race in last year?

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Nothing?

ganz said:

Nothing?

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Ridiculous, he would have had the usual leathers, gloves, boots, helmet etc ..... surely.

GeePee said:

What did Fenati race in last year?

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Won Italian Moto3 equivalent national series.

BarryMachine said:

How good is that!! The Boppers say Rossi can lean the bike over the most and BAM ....... look at the lean on Stoner!!



And he's waving to the fans whilst doing it!

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He's reaching for his phone so Hogan can get a witty remark ready for him when he gets back to the pits. Evidently his original response was "What's wrong, you spot your sister lookin hot in the stand or did your .....errrrrrr tie me kangaroo down sport.......errrrr me name is Kenny an I'm a kangaroo errrrr........there's a lot o damn good drinkers in the Northern Territories errrrrrrrrr.........the band played Waltzin Matilda"



Fact

Pete! Stop posting in this thread!! for the rest of the world Jerez was last week, we are up to Estoril outside of the Dorkneys!!