Is Lorenzo a worthy champion?

cuckoo bird · Jan 9, 2013

Lorenzo, Spain's most successful MotoGP racer, a double world champion.

But is Lorenzo really a worthy champion? Lets analyze -

First title in 2010 -

Rossi was the main challenger, but broke his legs in Mugello Free Practise session. Leaving a clear path to the title for Lorenzo. Title was literally handed on the plate to him.

Casey Stoner, arguably fastest rider of the current generation was plagued by ill handling Ducati, could not offer serious challenge.

Just as Pedrosa was beginning to mount a serious challenge later in the season, he broke his collar bone due to brake failure in Motegi.

What Lorenzo needs to do is just to ride and collect points and wins, all the challenges had been removed one after another.

Second title in 2012 -

Lorenzo had it handed to him on the plate several times this season.

At the beginning, Casey Stoner made some mistakes and injured himself.

While during early season, Pedrosa was handicapped by base setup issues, and not be able to ride to his capability.

But as soon as Pedrosa found a good setup, he began to kick Lorenzo in the @ss in every race, from Indianapolis till Valencia -

Pedrosa - 6 race wins

Lorenzo - 1 race win (gifted to him when Pedrosa was T-boned in first lap)

I had never seen a champion being outclassed and outridden in such an extended period by a rival since Nicky Hayden.

And Pedrosa is considered second class next to a healthy Casey Stoner, yet still beat Lorenzo with ease.

So the question that many ask, is Lorenzo a real worthy (double) champion?

Will Lorenzo win any title at all with all things being equal?

digger · Jan 9, 2013

dude, in my opinion, anyone who wins a world championship on a bike deserves it. i wont go into why, as im sure you will very shortly be flamed to all hell for this and have it explained to you.

i also predict this thread will somehow end up involving dorna conspiracies, and rossi vs stoner.

in addition to this, i also predict that i will have a hangover tomoz....

Mick D · Jan 10, 2013

Dude - Lorenzo beat Pedrosa, Stoner, Spies, Rossi, Hayden and everyone else this year... You can try to break it down into as many mondolitos as you like but the fact is George outperformed EVERYBODY over the course of a full season PERIOD.

cuckoo bird · Jan 10, 2013

Mick D

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Dude - Lorenzo beat Pedrosa, Stoner, Spies, Rossi, Hayden and everyone else this year... You can try to break it down into as many mondolitos as you like but the fact is George outperformed EVERYBODY over the course of a full season PERIOD.

Lorenzo beat them all in points, but not in real world ability.

Lorenzo beat Stoner because - Stoner was injured and missed many races, not a fair fight

Lorenzo beat Pedrosa because - Pedrosa had setup issues in first half of the season, and Pedrosa got T-boned in Misano. Not a fair fight

Just witness Pedrosa's real speed in final 8 races of 2012 when he got the setup right, Lorenzo was absolutely destroyed by Pedrosa.

Lorenzo beat Rossi because - Rossi could not ride the Ducati, and Rossi is an old man now. Not a fair fight.

So yes, Lorenzo beat them all in points, but he also got the title handed to him on a plate.

digger · Jan 10, 2013

if thats your logic, you must also apply it to champions past aswell.

it has been discussed here more times than i can remember, to win a WC, you not only need skill, but also an amount of luck.

Mental Anarchist · Jan 10, 2013

cuckoo bird

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Lorenzo, Spain's most successful MotoGP racer, a double world champion.

But is Lorenzo really a worthy champion? Lets analyze -

First title in 2010 -

Rossi was the main challenger, but broke his legs in Mugello Free Practise session. Leaving a clear path to the title for Lorenzo. Title was literally handed on the plate to him.

Casey Stoner, arguably fastest rider of the current generation was plagued by ill handling Ducati, could not offer serious challenge.

Just as Pedrosa was beginning to mount a serious challenge later in the season, he broke his collar bone due to brake failure in Motegi.

What Lorenzo needs to do is just to ride and collect points and wins, all the challenges had been removed one after another.

Second title in 2012 -

Lorenzo had it handed to him on the plate several times this season.

At the beginning, Casey Stoner made some mistakes and injured himself.

While during early season, Pedrosa was handicapped by base setup issues, and not be able to ride to his capability.

But as soon as Pedrosa found a good setup, he began to kick Lorenzo in the @ss in every race, from Indianapolis till Valencia -

Pedrosa - 6 race wins

Lorenzo - 1 race win (gifted to him when Pedrosa was T-boned in first lap)

I had never seen a champion being outclassed and outridden in such an extended period by a rival since Nicky Hayden.

And Pedrosa is considered second class next to a healthy Casey Stoner, yet still beat Lorenzo with ease.

So the question that many ask, is Lorenzo a real worthy (double) champion?

Will Lorenzo win any title at all with all things being equal?

There is some merit to you logic. Lorenzo in both his championships was riding clearly the best bike on the grid. The other title challengers had issues and their challenge was mediocre.

But....

This is motorcycle racing and any of the things that happened to the others could have happened to Lorenzo. They didn't and he triumphed. Therefore come seasons end he had the most points and this is what defines a championship. It is not who is the fastest, who gets paid the most, who has the best hairdo. It is all about who has the most points after 18 races. End of story.

digger · Jan 10, 2013

what he said ↑

frizzle · Jan 10, 2013

Yes he is a worthy double champion. Has raced against & beaten the best many times. Everyone needs some luck to win championships.

Everyone also needs a great bike.

Andy Roo · Jan 10, 2013

Are you one of the alcoholics anonymous people?

Yes he is a worthy champion, all the champions have different qualities that in different circumstances come to the fore, the Honda is in all fairness the better bike, Lorenzo has to know his own level and limit on the Yamaha and ride consistently, his strength.

But he rode consistently to wins and podiums against class riders.

He is a very worthy champion, he beat Stoner Rossi, Pedro etc. etc. It's a dumb question really

mario27 · Jan 10, 2013

He deserves it. But only in the points is better. In some race, he just only tried to finish the race at podium and take points.He dont tried for wins. Hondas set up problems at first half of the season chatter etc (pedrosa and stoner) . Stoner injured=out, so only pedrosa left to fight for the championship with lorenzo. He tried to catch the lorenzo in points . We always won at second half except SM and australia (stoner for the win as always). Lorenzo at second half always second except SM and Valencia. Thats weird for a rider who won many races at first half.

<span style="font-size:18px;AT SECOND HALF HE DONT TRIED FOR WINS BUT ONLY FOR PODIUM AND TO TAKE POINTS FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP !!

(he is the opposite of stoner, stoner = dead or alive, win or crash )

cuckoo bird · Jan 10, 2013

Andy Roo

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Are you one of the alcoholics anonymous people?

Yes he is a worthy champion, all the champions have different qualities that in different circumstances come to the fore, the Honda is in all fairness the better bike, Lorenzo has to know his own level and limit on the Yamaha and ride consistently, his strength.

But he rode consistently to wins and podiums against class riders.

He is a very worthy champion, he beat Stoner Rossi, Pedro etc. etc. It's a dumb question really

Nope, this ain't a dumb question.

Just in case you missed out my earlier post -

Lorenzo beat Stoner, Rossi and Pedrosa in points, but not in real world ability.

How can you call Lorenzo a very worthy champion when he got his ... handed to him by Pedrosa in last 8 races of 2012 (Pedrosa won 6, Lorenzo 1 - gifted to him due to Pedrosa's T-bone crash).

Lorenzo at best is second class rating.

Even in 2010, he got the title handed to him on a plate.

Consistent yes, worthy no.

cuckoo bird · Jan 10, 2013

mario27

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He deserves it. But only in the points is better. In some race, he just only tried to finish the race at podium and take points.He dont tried for wins. Hondas set up problems at first half of the season chatter etc (pedrosa and stoner) . Stoner injured=out, so only pedrosa left to fight for the championship with lorenzo. He tried to catch the lorenzo in points . We always won at second half except SM and australia (stoner for the win as always). Lorenzo at second half always second except SM and Valencia. Thats weird for a rider who won many races at first half.
<span style="font-size:18px;AT SECOND HALF HE DONT TRIED FOR WINS BUT ONLY FOR PODIUM AND TO TAKE POINTS FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP !!

(he is the opposite of stoner, stoner = dead or alive, win or crash )

He simply lacks the guts and bravery of a warrior to be considered a worthy champion

mario27 · Jan 10, 2013

cuckoo bird

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He simply lacks the guts and bravery of a warrior to be considered a worthy champion

Off course. HE didnt try because the risk of a crash or injury and lose the championship from pedrosa.

Pedrosa didnt injured so his best season. But he late to take wins.

Lyria · Jan 10, 2013

Anyone who can get through a season with enough wins to get the championship deserves it in my opinion. Of course having the best bike on the grid helps, it would be stupid to say otherwise, but having the best bike doesn't guarantee you will win, there's a lot more to it than just that. A whole season is a long time to keep on pushing and being there or there abouts when it matters, pulling all that together isn't easy, if it were more people would win wouldn't they?

BJ.C · Jan 10, 2013

mario27

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He deserves it. But only in the points is better. In some race, he just only tried to finish the race at podium and take points.He dont tried for wins. Hondas set up problems at first half of the season chatter etc (pedrosa and stoner) . Stoner injured=out, so only pedrosa left to fight for the championship with lorenzo. He tried to catch the lorenzo in points . We always won at second half except SM and australia (stoner for the win as always). Lorenzo at second half always second except SM and Valencia. Thats weird for a rider who won many races at first half.

<span style="font-size:18px;AT SECOND HALF HE DONT TRIED FOR WINS BUT ONLY FOR PODIUM AND TO TAKE POINTS FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP !!

(he is the opposite of stoner, stoner = dead or alive, win or crash )

OMG! He tried to win the championship within the rules of the competition.

What a ......!

This is a ........, pointless thread. Lorenzo has 23 wins, 60 podiums in 4 years.

In the last 6 years, he has won 4 world championships. The only rider with better figures is Rossi.

Pedrosa hasn't won .... since 2005, so the reality is, if Lorenzo isn't a worthy champion, there aren't any.

Now, I'm sure the bridge the OP normally lives under is missing him... time to head on back.

Keshav · Jan 10, 2013

cuckoo bird

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He simply lacks the guts and bravery of a warrior to be considered a worthy champion

Please... there are so many oceans, rivers and lakes. Why fish here?

If you're lonely and desperate to attract attention and want the job of being hated for saying stupid ....,

you'll find as the season starts to roll on your cubicle will get very crowded as we already have lots of

regulars here who fill that position. And the pay is lousy too.

mario27 · Jan 10, 2013

BJ.C

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OMG! He tried to win the championship within the rules of the competition.

What a ......!

This is a ........, pointless thread. Lorenzo has 23 wins, 60 podiums in 4 years.

In the last 6 years, he has won 4 world championships. The only rider with better figures is Rossi.

Pedrosa hasn't won .... since 2005, so the reality is, if Lorenzo isn't a worthy champion, there aren't any.

Now, I'm sure the bridge the OP normally lives under is missing him... time to head on back.

Remember the 1st year of Lorenzo at motogp?. So many crashes. If he continues like that maybe would be infirmity (something like that he said in his statement at 2008 or 2009,i dont remember)

Next years, Behind rossi (1st driver rossi , 2nd lorenzo) he involved to a great rider on M1 (without so much chatter than RCV, etc).

I am not hater of Lorenzo, but i don like his style. He has startegy for the championship (not push so much for win, because a crash or injury) but Its not like pedro (every year injured thats why won a .... ) and stoner or <span style="font-size:18px;MARQUEZ , dead or alive, win or crash.

(i dont like so much marquez but is a fantastic rider)

Ooh i understand, you are fan of Lorenzo, hmm.... !

(i am just kidding)

Geonerd · Jan 10, 2013

Keshav

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Please... there are so many oceans, rivers and lakes. Why fish here?

If you're lonely and desperate to attract attention and want the job of being hated for saying stupid ....,

you'll find as the season starts to roll on your cubicle will get very crowded as we already have lots of

regulars here who fill that position. And the pay is lousy too.

Well, PS does have a long history of attracting stupid .... spewers. I gotta admit that he's come to the right place.

Pass the popcorn, this ought to be FUN!!!

thedeal · Jan 10, 2013

I put this up earlier but it seems to have gone so here it is again,

Is Lorenzo a worthy champion?

this is a ....... stupid question because he won the title full stop and cuckoo you are a massive ...... because you think you know what it takes to win a world title.

stiefel · Jan 10, 2013

In 2011, Rossi was on an unrideable bike (for him anyway); Pedrose crashed out twice and missed 4 races; Lorenzo crashed out once and missed 2 races.

Was Stoner a worthy champion?

In 2009, Lorenzo crashed out 4 times; Pedrosa started the season injured from pre-season testing and crashed out twice, and Stoner was severly struggling and eventually missed 3 races due to sickness and crashed before reaching the starting line at the last race

Was Rossi a worthy champion?

in 2008, Lorenzo crashed out 4 times and missed a race, Pedro was crashed in pre-season testing, crashed out twice and missed one race, Stoner crashed twice and suffered a loose onboard camera, with his Ducati having the tire it was build around removed

Was Rossi a worthy champion?

In 2007, both Pedrosa and Rossi crashed out 4 times. Stoner carefully cruised home in 6th place in Japan to take the title.

Was Stoner a worthy champion?

So, six years of 800cc saw no deserving champions. I could go back further. What to think of that one Austrialian guy that only started taking his titles after his strongest competitors left the sport? Or that Italian guy took most of his titles when the field was devoid of strong competitors on competitive machinery? Or that other Italian guy, the one that took all his titles on vastly superior machinery?

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