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That stuff really brings out the curmudgeon in me. Suburbanite dimwits who drive house-sized SUVs and ginormous pickup trucks for the sake of consumerist conformity, status or because they'd rather be surrounded by multi-tons of steel than actually learn how to drive defensively.
Yep, the problem is, both consumers and the manufacturers are the blame. Manufacturers for pushing the bloated vehicles that increase their profits, and the consumer for lapping it up like sheep.


I am finding myself starting to come around a little on EVs. I still think there are drawbacks and I think the mining required for lithium batteries among other things means that EVs are not as green as they first seem. I'm not sure if there are any studies out there on complete lifetime savings, IE emissions from gathering required resources, to manufacture to usage and then finally disposal but that would probably make for an interesting read.
As someone in the automotive engineering field. I have long said there is absolutely a market and benefits for EV's. The issue is, they are being pushed outside of that market for where they are simply not suitable. In cities and for communing, they are perfect. For towing, forget it. Rural areas? not practical.

My other bugbear, is them being pushed as 100% green. After about 8 yrs, their carbon offset is the same as a ICE car (when you include manufacturing). So long term, they are cleaner. But the other facets are:

1. Realistically, the majority of people don't keep their cars 8 years or more.
2. It has been documented that Tesla, amongst others, have batteries that expire after 10 yrs or so. Therefore, you are only getting approx 2 years of carbon free usage.

At this point my biggest problem with EVs is how locked down they are. Tesla won't let you use their charging network if they find out that your car was salvaged and rebuilt. It's absurd. Imagine not being able to buy gas because you did an engine swap.
There is also the issue, of potentially drawing energy from your car while it is charging in your garage when connected to the Local/State/National grid. It's akin to stealing petrol out of your car.

As you noted, if that truly want to go green, then they need to make electric cars cheaper and eliminate all the interlocks required to use them. I certainly don't like the oversight Tesla in particular seem to have and want over cars they no longer own.
 
As someone in the automotive engineering field. I have long said there is absolutely a market and benefits for EV's. The issue is, they are being pushed outside of that market for where they are simply not suitable. In cities and for communing, they are perfect. For towing, forget it. Rural areas? not practical.

My other bugbear, is them being pushed as 100% green. After about 8 yrs, their carbon offset is the same as a ICE car (when you include manufacturing). So long term, they are cleaner. But the other facets are:

1. Realistically, the majority of people don't keep their cars 8 years or more.
2. It has been documented that Tesla, amongst others, have batteries that expire after 10 yrs or so. Therefore, you are only getting approx 2 years of carbon free usage.

There is also the issue, of potentially drawing energy from your car while it is charging in your garage when connected to the Local/State/National grid. It's akin to stealing petrol out of your car.

As you noted, if that truly want to go green, then they need to make electric cars cheaper and eliminate all the interlocks required to use them. I certainly don't like the oversight Tesla in particular seem to have and want over cars they no longer own.
This is really not KTM, yet I could reisist the urge to ask you, why you don't consider EVs in rural areas to be practical?

I would have assumed that practicality would be a result of how often and for how long you need you veichle to be stationary in order to have it in working order. Charging/fuelling would be a bis part of that. Changing parts, upgrading a smaller.

I for one don't see EVs being marketed as 100% green, only greener. Also, the batteries last longer, 12 year old 1st gen Tesla S cars are sold used, with over 300km range, with original batteries. The batteries also have an aftermarket that isn't comparable to an ICE.

When I charge my car on the grid, I pay for it. It's cheaper than fueling, not free.

If we only can make the storage and transport of energy more efficient, that would be wonderful. The same way you can take petrol, and move it around the globe and spend its innate energy somewhere else. We do have enough sun, wind, water to make power us, not to speak of the power beneath the crust...
 
This is really not KTM, yet I could reisist the urge to ask you, why you don't consider EVs in rural areas to be practical?

I would have assumed that practicality would be a result of how often and for how long you need you veichle to be stationary in order to have it in working order. Charging/fuelling would be a bis part of that. Changing parts, upgrading a smaller.
Cities are a lot more densely populated, that have more facilities on hand within a closer radius. It is easy to add infrastructure close to where there is already plenty. At the present, in rural areas of the US for example, the infrastructure for EV's, and by that I mean charging stations, is non existent. Contrast that to petrol stations on almost every street.
Now, if you want to build a petrol station in the middle of nowhere, you can. The only requirement is having a tanker come and fill up the tanks. For EV, you have to physically connect to a grid, which may or may not be able to take the demands required. There are numerous cases of commercial properties being told that the grid cannot physically supply the energy they are requesting.

When I refer to rural, I am predominantly talking about things like pickup trucks that spend their entire life towing. heavy duty vehicles and the like. I have a relatively small trailer I pull for my racing, and a track 5 hrs away that requires a fill up each end, would require 5 of 6 recharging stops with, for example, an F150 Lighting (EV), each taking approx an hour. That adds 5 hours at least to my trip, whereas 2 refills for petrol cost me 15 mins.

Rural is not just having longer distances between charging. In the city I live in, there are probably less than a dozen charging spots for EV, and about 50% of those are private ones in employer car parks.

I for one don't see EVs being marketed as 100% green, only greener. Also, the batteries last longer, 12 year old
But they are, there is even a term for it. ZEV (Zero Emission Vehicle). You see it as badges on the rear of many electric vehicles. Also, 12 years is not acceptable to many people, for a car that costs $50 grand. Both my cars are 10 years old, and I expect to get another 10 out of them and they will likely be replaced due to body corrosion, not because the engine has failed.

Of course, I acknowledge that battery technology has (and will continue) to improve, but they are still not at the level they need to be for the cost of them.
1st gen Tesla S cars are sold used, with over 300km range, with original batteries. The batteries also have an aftermarket that isn't comparable to an ICE.
I'm not denying there isn't but for every EV with 300k on the original battery, there is multiple more that fail in less than a 3rd of that. Not to sound aloof, but I work in the automotive industry and am aware of the current status of EV's.
When I charge my car on the grid, I pay for it. It's cheaper than fueling, not free.
Yes, and when they have a monopoly on the market, your recharging cost will exceed refueling.
If we only can make the storage and transport of energy more efficient, that would be wonderful. The same way you can take petrol, and move it around the globe and spend its innate energy somewhere else. We do have enough sun, wind, water to make power us, not to speak of the power beneath the crust...
Agreed about the power transport and storage.

At the end of the day, governments talk about green energy but their primary concern is green only (i.e. money). MIT released a study about solar energy and it included an quote about how "The problem with solar is that panels generate a lot of electricity in the middle of sunny days , frequently in excess of what is required, driving down prices"

Translate that to "We can't monopolise the sun or make it scarcer than it is, to drive up prices"
 
Yep, the problem is, both consumers and the manufacturers are the blame. Manufacturers for pushing the bloated vehicles that increase their profits, and the consumer for lapping it up like sheep.

The manufacturers were pushing people towards bigger vehicles with higher profit margins, but that's not the game anymore. They are trying to curb demand for SUV's and trucks with high prices. The current CAFE regulations are unachievable and CAFE 2032 is preposterous. The auto industry is only interested in truck and SUV buyers who can pay upwards of $70,000 because this covers CAFE penalties and/or subsidizes EV development. Everyone knows these prices aren't sustainable and consumers are rolling negative equity into new car notes, but the feds will turn a blind eye to these predatory lending tactics, as long as the end objective is reached.

I just hope that people realize the greening of the OECD is part of a broader economic war with OPEC+. We all know about the oil embargoes leading to the first round of fuel economy regs, which ultimately collapsed the price of oil and the USSR. Well, it should come as no surprise that the latest ecological zealotry was spawned in the aftermath of the GFC, when record oil consumption led to record prices and the collapse of the OECD. Since the GFC we've also had the Arab Spring, a coup in Ukraine, war in Ukraine, an attempted coup in Kazakhstan, an attempted coup in Turkey, an ISIS rampage that finally succeeded in the ouster of Asad, and political unrest/uncertainty in Venezuela. I'm surely forgetting a dozen more coups. It's basically anywhere on earth that produces or transfers fossil fuel, specifically oil and gas.

Citizens of the OECD are basically being marched across no-man's land in global economic war with OPEC+ and BRICS. The OECD doesn't care how many people are ruined. Utopia is awaiting on the other side of the enemy trench. This is the war to end all wars.

We need some adults to take over quickly and establish detente. This geopolitical squid game is getting out of hand.
 

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