Is Hayden's Ego getting the best of him??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 11 2007, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That comment was regarding the impact rossi would not have in F1. But like you say when Rossi leaves motogp it'll be a little odd, but the true fans still want to see a bike race. there is no shortage of characters on the gp grid, and to say it would be dull without number 46 is rediculous. Unless of course you only tuned in to watch the Rossi show, and not the motogp show.
yeah, when i said a bit dull i was meaning from an atmospher point of view, if you have ever been to watch a livr gp you will now what i meen. when the doctor comes out the noise and atmospher muliplys, but the show will go on and still be the greatesr sport on earth,it will just be different for a while untill we have adjusted.

I don't understand why people think it won't be the same without Rossi. Dunno about you, but I couldn't give two fs if Rossi is or isn't in MotoGP, I'll still watch it and i'll still have the same passion for it, because im in love with the sport. This is Grand Prix racing, and one man don't make it the spectacle it is.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Feb 11 2007, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't understand why people think it won't be the same without Rossi. Dunno about you, but I couldn't give two fs if Rossi is or isn't in MotoGP, I'll still watch it and i'll still have the same passion for it, because im in love with the sport. This is Grand Prix racing, and one man don't make it the spectacle it is.
When you say it, it sounds so normal, but if I say it, damn the whole aquarium comes after me.


I'm not much of a Rossi fan, but I must admit, it wouldn't feel the same without him, until of course the racing started. Then things would be back to normal.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Feb 11 2007, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't understand why people think it won't be the same without Rossi. Dunno about you, but I couldn't give two fs if Rossi is or isn't in MotoGP, I'll still watch it and i'll still have the same passion for it, because im in love with the sport. This is Grand Prix racing, and one man don't make it the spectacle it is.
i also love the sport,but it just makes it more entertaining if you root for your fav rider and smirk when you least fav dnf's and see'ing ive rooted for rossi since 97-98 i think i could saftly say i would be bothered if he left, it a bit like watching the grand national, or watching the grand national when you have a bet on.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 11 2007, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd just hate to think someone was throwing insults at you that I hadnt thought of, that would hurt.....
Seriously pete, you made me cry with laughter. That's why I <strike>like</strike> you man, you can take a joke and give one out. Even though everything else is just "babel" out of you.

Hey,since my answers scare babelfish, perhaps the fish should stop asking scary questions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Feb 11 2007, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Only if he is winning races, which I doubt he would do. I don't mean this as a slam on Rossi. F1 is all about the car; the best driver won't take a Spyker or an Aguri to the front. I doubt any of the winning teams will take a risk by hiring a driver that grew up on motorcycles and beached a Ferrari in the gravel during testing. Rossi is a giant in the Moto GP paddock; however, to assume he would swagger into the F1 garages and turn everything upside down is a little far-fetched.Yeah never mind about the times he set, they just wouldn't take him.

It's not far fetched at all, look at the spin he put Alonso in within just two tests. He really got under his skin, to have him actually on the grid would take it even further.

One minute F1 is all politics, & the next a man so adept at politics wouldn't change it!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 11 2007, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've been hearing this speculation about Rossi in F1. It’s an interesting topic. I would certainly watch F1 if he raced in the series, for a while at least (F1 is simply not that popular in the US). But I don't think other than MotoGP fans tuning in would you have a C change in the sport. I mean, would (assuming he could) Schumacher make a splash if he would have moved to GP? Yes, but would it have "changed" the sport? I'm not so sure. Perhaps we think our guy is so good that he can transcend all sports in our scope of view.

Well, finishing 18 seconds out of the Top Ten in a WRC competition is not bad for a newcomer, is it? Not transcendental but very interesting…

And sorry but car racer coming to bikes and do well cannot see or remember it happening, vice verse I think we have at least one example, cannot remember which though…

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 11 2007, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You misunderstand me. the audience would change for sure, a lot of Rossi fans will follow him wherever he goes. But the sport itself would not. The rules would remain the same and the races would have a similar theme to them. He would get some coverage and probably have some interesting interviews, but that wouldnt be a huge deal in the greagter scheme of the sport would it.

No Tom, that’s right it would not change the sport… it was a bit of sarcasm… if everybody falls asleep ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz in F1 means nobody really watches it, so thousands of new watchers would be a great deal for that sport!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 11 2007, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bla bla bla. Yeah, I can see why Hayden has the "numbers don't l1e" motif. Just can't seem to wrap your mind around it can you? Don't try to explain why his nickname, the Docotor, is so "appropriate", it’s just a nickname; don't look too much into it. He probably didn't even pick it himself. As most nicknames are started by others anyway. "Doctor" is not more relevant or clever than "The Kentucky Kid". It's a nickname for god sakes.

That is exactly my point… they are just Nicknames and everybody uses them, don’t make Rossi or Hayden less for calling themselves “The Doctor” or “Kentucky Kid” even if not a doctor or a kid, or all the riders in that matter. And yes, you are right, I think Rossi’s and Hayden’s Nicknames were given long time ago.

On the other hand, what I can see is a Cultural and Costumes debate more than other matter. Let me explain, in some cultures your lucky number is of most importance and that is why if you get to be the Champion you prefer to keep it. Now, as I understand other cultures it is kind of disrespectful to be the Champion and not use the number one.

So using it seem ego lactic to some and not using seem ego lactic to others

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 11 2007, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, well who was "MN" then?

My english stinks, and I know it, and I hate that I sometimes don't get the full meaning of what is being said, but I thought my ending comment on MN was quite clear? It's out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Also, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Who can't stand the heat? Go on whining about throwing stones in a glas house, and growing some skin, but don't count me in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I realize you may not appreciate or agree with my opinions, but at least be prepared to back them up if you decide to throw yours into the pot.

Hey. stop throwing all those stones, you are gone brake all the glass.
I stated my opinion and can continue arguing for my stand point when you come up with your own. Your first reply to me in this tread was plain BS, and that's ok by me but now you tell me to back up my opinions? Talk about throwing rocks in a glass house.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Don’t take it to heart, we can argue all day, and I'm good for it, or we can concede to a "friendship" of symbiotically opposed views. Can't you see you are making poor pete worried?
He he, yeah I see he is worried. I'll leave you to him as soon as I wrap this up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I prefer to be “friends” like pete & rog. After-all, Valentines day is next week and I'm feeling in that loving mood.

I'm sure we can be “friends” but it would help if your arguments were somewhat "deeper" than:"Sounds like the motif has found one of its intended audience."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 11 2007, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Talk about throwing rocks in a glass house.
Very cute retort. Cute but little substance. I don't think you understand the "throwing rocks" verse. You added your post to this thread agreeing with the notion about Hayden being not up to par on his confidence and questioning a bit of his motive. In my opinion, the point of the motif was to address those thinking he had some deficiencies from the naysayer that questioned his capacity (mental or otherwise) to be world champion. My point was that you were the target audience since you aligned yourself with this attitude that he doesn't have the mental strength and confidence. My opinion, that you missed, was that you are exactly the type of person this was intended for, the type that regardless of his confidence, you just won’t accept it and go around questioning his choices of design in his leathers. So the “rock” you threw, was a crafty downplay of Hayden's confidence, so I called you on it, then you come back with a fart comment and asked what was my opinions, as if you missed it? The "glass house" is you getting butt hurt that I called you on your comment questioning Hayden's confidence. So since you "missed" it, let me spell it out for you: my opinion about you questioning Hayden's confidence has been addressed by his motif that the "numbers don't lie", in other words, him being champ is a matter of fact, but you accepting it (or not) is irrelevant regardless of what you think about mental strength, confidence, or anything else you can find displeasing about him. Tell me something BFish, since you seem to have the ability to psychoanalyze the motif and be able to diagnose the lack of his confidence, what does the "sword" on Rossi's bike mean? Confidence or a "lack" of it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 12 2007, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Very cute retort. Cute but little substance. I don't think you understand the "throwing rocks" verse. You added your post to this thread agreeing with the notion about Hayden being not up to par on his confidence and questioning a bit of his motive. In my opinion, the point of the motif was to address those thinking he had some deficiencies from the naysayer that questioned his capacity (mental or otherwise) to be world champion. My point was that you were the target audience since you aligned yourself with this attitude that he doesn't have the mental strength and confidence. My opinion, that you missed, was that you are exactly the type of person this was intended for, the type that regardless of his confidence, you just won’t accept it and go around questioning his choices of design in his leathers.

Look his talking!

I can't agree there. I don't think it is about questioning his mental stregth during the season. It's about all the comments on his luck. And to me braging like that more than anything reflect back on you own level of confidence. It anyoyes him that "everybody" come back to the "lucky" thing so he has to make that kind of statement. That is to me the bigest crack in Haydons confidence I've ever seen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>So the “rock” you threw, was a crafty downplay of Hayden's confidence, so I called you on it, then you come back with a fart comment and asked what was my opinions, as if you missed it?
The "glass house" is you getting butt hurt that I called you on your comment questioning Hayden's confidence. So since you "missed" it, let me spell it out for you: my opinion about you questioning Hayden's confidence has been addressed by his motif that the "numbers don't lie", in other words, him being champ is a matter of fact, but you accepting it (or not) is irrelevant regardless of what you think about mental strength, confidence, or anything else you can find displeasing about him.

Now that's at least some arguments. A one-liner is hardly that.
As you see above, I question his confidence as a result of the motif. Are you telling me he put it there for us to have another opportunity to question his confidence?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Tell me something BFish, since you seem to have the ability to psychoanalyze the motif and be able to diagnose the lack of his confidence, what does the "sword" on Rossi's bike mean? Confidence or a "lack" of it?

Sounds to me like you've done your part of psychoanalyze on Hayden’s motif yourself. As Rossi just have a symbol there I'll leave it to him to explain it. It sure would be fun to hear Hayden’s explanation about his.

I actually read on the road racer x website that nicky saw jay-z say "men lie, women lie but numbers don't lie" on the tv and thought it was funny. regardless i don't think its a crack in his confidence for him to want to say that. do you think its rossi showing weakness when he reminds everyone of his world titles?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 11 2007, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Look his talking!

I can't agree there. I don't think it is about questioning his mental stregth during the season. It's about all the comments on his luck. And to me braging like that more than anything reflect back on you own level of confidence. It anyoyes him that "everybody" come back to the "lucky" thing so he has to make that kind of statement. That is to me the bigest crack in Haydons confidence I've ever seen.
Now that's at least some arguments. A one-liner is hardly that.
As you see above, I question his confidence as a result of the motif. Are you telling me he put it there for us to have another opportunity to question his confidence?
Sounds to me like you've done your part of psychoanalyze on Hayden’s motif yourself. As Rossi just have a symbol there I'll leave it to him to explain it. It sure would be fun to hear Hayden’s explanation about his.
Look Fish can "read."

Bragging? Nah, I think, as I explained it before, that since there are those (I’m including you in this group) that seem to go around question everything he does and did, this little motif, is a swipe back at those naysayer. And apparently, they (you) have noticed. Not everybody thinks it was “luck”, but the ones who do (like you) are the ones this motif was aimed at (in other words, you are the intended audience as I said). A one liner you say, I don’t think I’m known for one-liners on this site. I thought it would suffice to get my point across but I see I had to spell it out for you (I know you said you have trouble with your English, I should have assumed you also have trouble “reading” it too since I had made my point fairly clear on the thread). So you leave Rossi’s motif for self-interpretation, but you don’t have a problem interpreting Hayden’s motif yourself for the world to see. Interesting, can you say, hypocritical… (Maybe that’s too strong of a word, how about, double standard)?

I think it's kinda lame to flaunt it so gratuitously. But, I'm a Rossi fan so my opinion is swayed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marisa @ Feb 11 2007, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think it's kinda lame to flaunt it so gratuitously. But, I'm a Rossi fan so my opinion is swayed.
Hi Marisa, (welcome to the site)

Did you feel it was "flaunting" when Rossi did it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 12 2007, 01:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Look Fish can "read."

Bragging? Nah, I think, as I explained it before, that since there are those (I’m including you in this group) that seem to go around question everything he does and did, this little motif, is a swipe back at those naysayer. And apparently, they (you) have noticed.
As I assume nobody here is close to Hayden, questioning his ability to keep his head straight for the last part of the season was something eveybody must have done. He obviously did that absolutly fantastic and that is probably the most positive side of Hayden so far. He stays calm as he also did impressivly at the post race inteview in Portugal. So, no, I don't think I've ever questioned his confidence more than any Hyaden fan have (, except those with hayden googles on)

So to me this is what I see as the first big crack in his confidence. It might be aimed at me but if so it compeltly failed, fuling a totally new aspect.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Not everybody thinks it was “luck”, but the ones who do (like you) are the ones this motif was aimed at

Thats probably true but as I said above, did he do this just for me ( and the others) to have just another thing to point at? I never really questioned his mental stregth before, now he give me fuel to that theory. What a cruel swipe back.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>So you leave Rossi’s motif for self-interpretation, but you don’t have a problem interpreting Hayden’s motif yourself for the world to see. Interesting, can you say, hypocritical… (Maybe that’s too strong of a word, how about, double standard)?

Before you start calling names again, you were the one talking about psychoanalyze, why don't you give us your interpretation?
Put on your anti rossi googles and I'm sure you can come up with some fantastic results.
For me it's like this:
On haydens ... I see a text I can read, and "analyze" if you like.
On Rossis bike a see one of a hundred different symbols he's had on his bikes during the years. Most of them cartoon-like symbols that I really don't want to know the meaning of.
If thats hypocritical or double standard then be it. Maybe I'm a hypocrit. And I thought I was just discussing MGP. Humm

Leave the man alone! He is the world champ! let him do what he wants

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 11 2007, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Put on your anti rossi googles and I'm sure you can come up with some
I don't own a pair of those. But I’m sure you know where the store is since you managed to buy anti-Hayden goggles yourself. I'm not anti-Rossi, but I am anti-anti-Hayden; which from the sounds of it, you may be a deacon of that church. You see, its the anti-Hayden crowd that always finds a way of belittling something about the guy by trying to compare him to the great Rossi, so when I dish some crap back, those with rossie colored glasses don't see it as a praise for Hayden but rather a swipe at Rossi. I'm not the type that goes out and says “Hayden is God”, but I bet you can find a few fans that certainly hail "Rossi is God". I challenge you to find some Hayden fans that speak about the guy like this; I think you may be hard pressed to find one.

Like Morgo said, let the guy have his fun. If Hayden is so bad like many say, he won't have it too long. But I doubt it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 11 2007, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi Marisa, (welcome to the site)

Did you feel it was "flaunting" when Rossi did it?


Hi! And actually, yes. I guess I prefer a strong, silent winner. But, I understand reveling in the accomplishment and can appreciate that for what it is, as well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Feb 11 2007, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah never mind about the times he set, they just wouldn't take him.

It's not far fetched at all, look at the spin he put Alonso in within just two tests. He really got under his skin, to have him actually on the grid would take it even further.

One minute F1 is all politics, & the next a man so adept at politics wouldn't change it!!

You mean the Valencia test? He was about a second and a half off of the fastest time, which is a good effort considering he hasn't been training in formula cars his whole life. However, Rossi turned his time with a V10 Ferrari, while the other drivers were testing the slower, V8-powered cars. Another thing: it was a test. The drivers aren't necesarily showing their full hand at a test. Who knows how much faster the other drivers could have gone?

Rossi would only change F1 if he was winning, and a few tests do not make a winner. If a mid-packer runs his mouth (e.g. Irvine, Villeneuve) people generally dismiss the driver as a whiner or an attention whore. You can be outspoken if you want, but you better win before people take you seriously and adapt in order to deal with you. Now I'm not saying Rossi wouldn't do well in F1, I just don't think a few test outings demonstrate any F1 brilliance.

Yeah, Alonso was riled up; he is a typical F1 prima donna with a big ego and a love for attention. Alonso didn't necessarily run his mouth because of Rossi's special powers; he was probably just a sceptic that didn't take kindly to an outsider garnering so much attention.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marisa @ Feb 11 2007, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi! And actually, yes. I guess I prefer a strong, silent winner. But, I understand reveling in the accomplishment and can appreciate that for what it is, as well.
I do too. That's one reason I like Kenny Roberts Jr.


BTW: who is the stunning picture of on your page?