Interesting Rossi Crash Picture/Analysis

at the time - i thought he'd pushed the front too hard

the commentary on BBC (Steve Parrish i think) said that he thought Rossi was passed the apex and therefore should have been decreasing the load on the front end - certainly not losing it ?

Rossi sez - he lost the front

i didn't see any smoke during the race (i can't say i was looking) but maybe there was a problem and the lost the front story is a yamaha smoke screen.

i doubt we'll ever know.

not bein funny or anything, but does anyone agree that rossi did a pedrosa or stoner crash then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWK3rFZIK-4

I can see no smoke coming from the bike before he lost it into the apex...

It looked like he was pushing a little too hard and just had no grip and lost it, slide from underneath him.

from where i was sat at valencia that was the part of the track i could not see. i think he said his tyres were not as good as in practice and he lost the front because of this. one thing i do no is i felt sick when i sore him missing when the bikes came into my view.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4..louzi..2 @ Nov 1 2006, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>not bein funny or anything, but does anyone agree that rossi did a pedrosa or stoner crash then?


doesnt ne1 agree?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4..louzi..2 @ Nov 1 2006, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>doesnt ne1 agree?
it's always possible, he does look like he is learned so far over that his elbow is on the ground,mabe he ran out of tyre,i think all top racers step over the limit sometimes.if they don't they haven't found the limit. IMO

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 1 2006, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it's always possible, he does look like he is learned so far over that his elbow is on the ground,mabe he ran out of tyre,i think all top racers step over the limit sometimes.if they don't they haven't found the limit. IMO


in the estoril race, i woz waitin for the moment wen elias' tyres went! he was pushin it way too hard! did well though, but at the end his tyre must of been an inch thin lol

Perhaps off topic but maybe not depending on the answer...

Does anybody know what tyres Rossi was on....

Most people were on Mediums. Hayden had a Hard front was it? and Medium back?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pirkkalan GP @ Nov 1 2006, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps off topic but maybe not depending on the answer...

Does anybody know what tyres Rossi was on....

Most people were on Mediums. Hayden had a Hard front was it? and Medium back?


quite off topic, but it just developes. thats wot makes topics get a lot of posts lol....wot race u talkin bout wiv tyres was it estoril?

i beleive rossi was on a medium front ... but dont count me on it...

in his interview rossi said he didnt even know why he crashed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Nov 1 2006, 07:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didn't see the race, did anyone see smoke coming from Rossi's bike before the crash?

Nah, I didn't see any smoke before the crash, but I saw plenty of sparks while he was ...-fault swimming.

(woulda posted this yesterday, but the sting of Rossi cracking under the pressure was apparently still to fresh on the minds of Rossi fans, which I suspect, would have thought this not funny)

There's a lot of pics on the crash there, anyone else think superbiasplanet.com are loving every minute of this?

I'm asking about valencia tyres - we
didn't get to find out as he'd crashed before they showed it. Am i
right Hayden had hard front medium rear?

Katt - more interested as to the rear. In my opinion it was the
rear that went first.

Oh and i think smoke stuff is rubbish.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pirkkalan GP @ Nov 2 2006, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm asking about valencia tyres - we
didn't get to find out as he'd crashed before they showed it. Am i
right Hayden had hard front medium rear?

Katt - more interested as to the rear. In my opinion it was the rear that went.
yeah thats right and i no melandri had medium front medium rear,dont think they mentioned rossi's tyres.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pirkkalan GP @ Nov 1 2006, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps off topic but maybe not depending on the answer...

Does anybody know what tyres Rossi was on....

Most people were on Mediums. Hayden had a Hard front was it? and Medium back?Not off topic at all pirky, It looked to me like a tyre problem, like a hard front that hadn't yet come good, washing out and being rapidly followed by a rear tyre that ran out of lean. Pretty straightforward.

Someone mentioned that Steve Parrish, BBC commentator and ex-racer, had made a comment about Rossi getting weight off the front in an effort not to crash. Firstly, Parrish is an ..... and he comes out with this stuff all the time. If you've got a problem with front end grip while fully lent over, you must keep weight firmly on the front. Getting on the gas too early thus transferring weight to the rear, or a badly set up front end that won't track the road as you get on the gas, and it'll wash out. I think the bad set-up we could almost safely rule out completely, so that makes the question of what tyres did Rossi have on very valid. I don't believe Rossi for a second when he says he doesn't know why he crashed. Rossi just dragged that front lever for too hard too long and the grip wasn't there, it happenned very gradually, the back end coming round was the tyre running out of lean, I feel for the guy.

The only interesting thing about the photraphs on superbike planet is that whoever wrote the analysis either knows nothing whatsoever about bikes or is in fact partially blind. In the very first frame, Rossi has already passed the point of no return and the front wheel has clearly began to tuck. Look at it again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>While most analysts said Rossi lost the front and crashed, he clearly lost the rear then the front. Very odd behavior in the era of traction control.By Wolf J Flywheel I.D.IO.T hons

Thanks for the post skiddmark. And also the nickname

You're starting to convert me to believe it was the front that went. I've never raced a bike so will have to give me a bit of slack as i slowly try to imagine and understand

You picked up on my theory and why i asked the question. Am i right Rossi is on a certain tyre manufacturer that is known for just letting go and so giving the rider the sense of not knowing what happened?!
So Hayden was on hard front - he didn't have this problem as he...

Erm. Sorry i mean he didn't appear to have this problem like Rossi if Rossi was on a hard front. So why? When he was clearly going quicker. Or can that be the reason?

That's why to me it added up that he had both hard tyres and lost the back - unlike the champ.

Hopefully this gibberish is understandable

Or maybe it's not so clear cut as to front or back going always?

The first thing I said ( screamed! ) when Rossi fell was hard tyre, show us what tyre he was on! The accepted Michelin tyre charecteristic of just letting go is an old idea so I don't know how much that holds true for current motogp tyres. I have experienced it but only with a worn rear and it did hurt a lot
I think, sorry, firmly believe he just pushed too hard. Understandable considering how the race was going for him and how much was at stake. Sill if anyone can find any tyre data, it would be satisfying to know what front tyre he was on.

Oops the first thing i did was
scream yeeeeees - so much so i scared my 1yr old daughter

I wondered looking at practice times if he was testing harder tyres as wasn't Rossi quite slow
comparitively in the morning practice before race - though i know
that means nothing.

Anyway. Looks like we agree...

if i'm not mistaken, rossi was said to have been on a hard front. the announcer only said it 1 time the crash had just happened.