if Rossi was serious................

Jumkie said:

Got it brotha. I applaud your willingness to question your hero's stance on his principles. As I remember, you felt that Camel Yam's bad luck was partly and perhaps a mystical reminder to VR that your word as a man matters. I agree.



Just so you know (which I think you hold the same view) I'm not keen on these nanny laws that restrict people's choices. I'm not a smoker but I don't want their adult choice to be restricted. Yet, I am for protecting kids. I actually feel like the sugar intake kids are told to consume (cereals, candy, etc) in cartoon ads are much more detrimental to their early years of education.

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I agree and im sure you will agree that there has to be a line that marketers don't cross, like advertising bill boards advertising smoking or booze by schools. It is people's right to drink and smoke and i respect that right. But in the same token company s that produce unhealthy products have a duty in the manner in which they seek future custom. Im sure you would be the first to object to harry buying some Marlboro for sally in the school harry & sally books

Motorsports is primarily aimed at adults so i don't think this type of advertising is too sinister to be honest but i personally would like to see the back of them one day.



And yeah, camel was bad luck, The kama gods gave him the first year because of need then punished him for the second year that was greed

Whatever Rossi does it will be based on the his presumption of further victory. I don't believe he will want to develop for a season or two at his age and with the expectations of his fans, sponsors and manufacturer.



He knows he will have a small chance of winning in F1-add to this, in F1 much more of the worlds attention will be focussed on his progress then say if he went to race in WRC.



Four wheels aside, a bigger challenge for Rossi then switching bikes in motogp would be to switch series. Would Rossi riding an RSV4 with Max as his teamate be a receipe for turning the tables on Dorna and make WSBK the dominant series? This would certainly make history and IMO would be a far greater acheivement than winning a Motogp title on a Ducati......

Talpa said:

Whatever Rossi does it will be based on the his presumption of further victory. I don't believe he will want to develop for a season or two at his age and with the expectations of his fans, sponsors and manufacturer.



He knows he will have a small chance of winning in F1-add to this, in F1 much more of the worlds attention will be focussed on his progress then say if he went to race in WRC.



Four wheels aside, a bigger challenge for Rossi then switching bikes in motogp would be to switch series. Would Rossi riding an RSV4 with Max as his teamate be a receipe for turning the tables on Dorna and make WSBK the dominant series? This would certainly make history and IMO would be a far greater acheivement than winning a Motogp title on a Ducati......

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Way to much water under the bridge for that.

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I for one think it is of personal choice if one wants to use tobacco regardless of any advertising. It is one of the oldest cash crops known to man. It was a huge reason why America gained its Independence from England. The blame for anyone smoking or whatever is on the person instead of some livery on a motorcycle. I for one in this economy wished they allowed it back since we might be able to fill some more grid spots as well. But the world is becoming more and more pussified and people want to push blame on the other guy so that is why we see no more tobacco advertising. I for one hope they make Rossi "an offer he can't refuse" so to speak just so he can win on an Italian machine.

chopperman said:

Way to much water under the bridge for that.

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yes the wall would need reinforcement from rossi's current one!!!!!!!

chopperman said:

Because he has said he is against tobacco sponsorship. He yielded against his own principles when he switched to yam. I'm sure you remember i was very out spoken against this as i don't like people who go against there principles. I always respected his stance on this issue and as i said i was un-impressed when he took the deal at yam but i understood why. He also acknowledged he was going against these principles at the time saying it way only a 2 year deal and never again to be repeated, thats why.

Rossi has never stated he is against Alcohol sponsorship so i have no issue with him taking such a deal !

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Rog, whilst I agree that he was outspoken at one point about cigarette sponsorship, this shows that at least back in 2007 he actually smoked himself.

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Yes, but what is the diff between tobacco & alcohol? If he were against one in "principle" it would follow he would be against the other. They are both bad for you. It doesn't make sense. And both are restricted to be used by adults aware of the drug's consequences (both alcohol & tobacco have additive drugs). Its a bit like saying you are against heroin but PCP is ok. Confused.

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I am not sure I agree with you jumks, the main difference is that you can get a designated driver, a taxi, stay put till morning, etc. and drink till you Puig yourself out!!! Which really only affects the person drinking by doing damage to himself (herself). On the other hand, at any given party, people that don't smoke get as much smog in their lungs as the ones smoking, which is not quite fair, is it?

V, what do u think is the first thing to be effected when intoxicated? Answer: judgement. Ther is ur taxi. U'll quickly change ur mind what is worse when u hav to take care of three nephews who's parents wer killed driving home from church cuz some drunk guy with no criminal record crashed nto them on the freeway. Pale in comparison to ur club smoke example. I love to party, but i dont party in clubs that smoke for the same reason i get nonsmoking rooms at hotel; i dont like the smell. But i know damn well the smoke in the club, like the smog in LA, wont suddenly kill me. And i hav the choice to move, unlike i know who is next to me on the fast lane. Comprende amigo?

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Rog, whilst I agree that he was outspoken at one point about cigarette sponsorship, this shows that at least back in 2007 he actually smoked himself.

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The old phrase that comes to mind.....Do as I say, not as I do!

Whether Rossi smoke's himself is irrelevant. Having a principle that you wont except tobacco sponsor money does not mean your anti smoking. It means you want the tobacco marketers to be responsible how they market and seek future custom.

Personally i don't care if people smoke, it's their choice and im glad i live in a country were people have that freedom of choice. But i hate seeing school children walk past my house in the morning on their way to school smoking. What makes these kids think smoking is the cool thing to do ?

Looking at the pic, do people really walk out like that from their house? Must b a Euro thing, eh...Geez dude.

Jumkie said:

Looking at the pic, do people really walk out like that from their house? Must b a Euro thing, eh...Geez dude.

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Not in england you dont. Not unless you want frostbite on your ....

Jumkie said:

V, what do u think is the first thing to be effected when intoxicated? Answer: judgement. Ther is ur taxi. U'll quickly change ur mind what is worse when u hav to take care of three nephews who's parents wer killed driving home from church cuz some drunk guy with no criminal record crashed nto them on the freeway. Pale in comparison to ur club smoke example. I love to party, but i dont party in clubs that smoke for the same reason i get nonsmoking rooms at hotel; i dont like the smell. But i know damn well the smoke in the club, like the smog in LA, wont suddenly kill me. And i hav the choice to move, unlike i know who is next to me on the fast lane. Comprende amigo?

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Yeah, I agree, I would want to kill the son of a B"#$&/)$#()/&#(&()# drunk idiot, of course after kicking the crap out of him... But today cars could be blocked if a drunk tries to start it, or even if there is a drunk passenger... I also would bet there are as much accidents by drivers on mobiles that could be as dangerous as drunks; cars should kill the signal by law too. It all does not apply to smokers!



I used to live in Mexico's City, and I dare say it is worse than L.A. in the smog subject. Also I love parties and usually could not care if people smoke even inside houses (although now it is illegal too if not done outside).



So in the end I can see a way to control public idiot drinkers but not selfish smokers! I could be wrong though!