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Ideas on MOTO GP

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 12 2010, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sorta like clean coal technology...
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Clean coal technology has to do with refining coal and trapping carbon emissions. It actually is clean, it's just not what liberals want b/c they are all heavily invested in wind turbines and solar panels. Clean coal doesn't meet their expectations for progress.

Imagine if the trees held a summit and decided to reduce global oxygen levels b/c it was endangering the planet and leading to long cold winters.
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Okay that's absurd, but the faux moralism of the green initiative should be tempered with a bit of reason, imo.

Clean 2-stroke technology has to do with separating the lubricants from the fuel source. The technology to inject a highly atomized air/fuel mixture didn't exist until recently so oil and fuel had always been mixed. Unfortunately, small amounts of lubricant still have to be burned (from what I understand) to keep the injectors working at peak efficiency, but these lubricants are required in very small quantities so the expenses associated with making them emit less pollutants when burned is negligible to the consumer.

Clean 2-strokes are lighter, simpler, and less expensive to produce. Pretty much everything you could ever want for a leisure industry like boating or motorcycling. Yamaha already produce clean two-stroke outboards. Unfortunately, 2-strokes have been banned from motorways everywhere. Changing poorly conceived environmental laws might be a lost cause in this day and age.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Apr 12 2010, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes I did use my smokers as examples of high RPMs as I did current 600s which I'm sure you understood. These bikes are light, high-revving and sales leaders.

My point is that all of these production bikes are built to race in displacement-limited classes that have no rev limits. Stroking an engine by 5mm or 10mm doesn't add a substantial amount of weight, it just improves overall performance at every rev range. However, stroking an engine is not compatible with displacement limited racing formulas.

We've been taught to like expensive high-revving bikes b/c they help manufacturers win racing titles. Stroke measurements don't really affect the riding experience.

Not saying that pneumatics shouldn't be allowed in the production market b/c we all know there's a sucker born every minute, but for the rest of us, it isn't worth our while to watch GP shrivel and die b/c people don't want to play with pneumatic engines.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 12 2010, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Clean coal technology has to do with refining coal and trapping carbon emissions. It actually is clean, it's just not what liberals want b/c they are all heavily invested in wind turbines and solar panels. Clean coal doesn't meet their expectations for progress.

Nuclear Fusion FTW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1996321846673788606#
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kropotkin @ Apr 12 2010, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nuclear Fusion FTW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1996321846673788606#

Of course. Nuclear fusion for macro power production is optimal.

I don't think it can be easily localized though so we are probably stuck with the ICE for a while. I wish Yamaha would build clean two-stroke race bikes. They already have the technology.
 
Leave it alone! The best racing usually comes after the formula is stabilized
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 12 2010, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Leave it alone! The best racing usually comes after the formula is stabilized

Do you have anything to say about the shrinking grids, the exponentially growing costs, and the stagnation of revenues? Or are you just using this opportunity to sing your 800cc love song?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 12 2010, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do you have anything to say about the shrinking grids, the exponentially growing costs, and the stagnation of revenues? Or are you just using this opportunity to sing your 800cc love song?
if they workout the 1000 production engine in the proto frame for 11/12 then i think the grid will grow by 4 to 6.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Apr 12 2010, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The cost would fall dramatically once the components were mass-produced. Cant be any more expensive than variable valve timing on cars. I had an air tank on my bike for the MRE air shift gears i had. This tank could be filled by a small onboard compressor. The only way to get more power from a smaller engine with the .... petrol we have is by higher rev ceilings. Conventional valve springs limit this. Before you think it will never happen on road bikes look at the new R1. I never thought there would be a road bike with a cross plain crank (big bang).

You underestimate the number of bikes needed to be fitted before prices can fall.

Honda has resorted to fitting FI-pumps from their cars onto their bikes, because the car unit costs 5000yen while the bike unit costs 10x more. Pull apart the latest VTR250 and check your Honda Fit and see how many similar parts you can find.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kropotkin @ Apr 12 2010, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you happen to have a couple of hundred grand and your local showroom just happens to be Yamaha's racing base in Italy, that's true...

Well if i had under hundred K id buy a Desmosedici RR
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Apr 12 2010, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm afraid I do not buy Mr. Nakamoto marketing chitchat - "we race to give you better road bikes" - No way, they race to win and sell us more Hondas, and if they do not win they are pissed... The best traction control on a road sports bike to date is BMW's, who obviously did not develop it through racing.
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Honda's interest is not in TC, it's in fuel management. They have FI in their whole line up, even 50cc scooters.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heng47 @ Apr 13 2010, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda's interest is not in TC, it's in fuel management. They have FI in their whole line up, even 50cc scooters.

They actually just eliminated the 10bar fuel pressure limit that that was in the technical regulations so what you're saying makes sense. They have more freedom with the fuel system now.
 

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