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LOL! Oh wait . . . you're serious? So Watergate and and the Nixon resignation were all fake news as well? All of Nixons Republican co-conspirators who went to prison for assisting in Nixon's illegal activities were just fake news too? Boy those judges and lawyers who sent them away were total suckers, what with them taking the word of Washington Post reporters. Sending all those poor innocent Republicans to prison. Tsk tsk.
BTW - Iannone's censure is prominently mentioned on Emmet's site too. A big fake news guy. Right?
Is anyone really surprised? He goes under the knife regularly for aesthetic upgrades. If anyone were likely to take short cuts to get a body to match, its him.
However as a boxing fan, I am well aware of how little a failed test and suspension proves.
Hopefully it was an anomalous sample and we can all get back to watching him burn through Aprilias annual repair budget soon.
However as a boxing fan, I am well aware of how little a failed test and suspension proves.
Hopefully it was an anomalous sample and we can all get back to watching him burn through Aprilias annual repair budget soon.
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Are you talking about the possibility of a tainted supplement which has on rare occasion been proved or how every body that’s ever tested positive has denied it?
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the washington post was bough in 2013 by bezos and is not the same entity that it was back in the 70s. things change over 50 years. if you dont think the washington post has been fake news the last 4 years there is nothing left to say.
as to iannone i think the rules are unfair as they dont even know what he took but if he did cheat he should be punished.
Within the initial statement released by the FIM, Iannone’s failed sample included a non-specified substance under Section 1.1.a Exogenous Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) of the 2019 Prohibited List.
what is a non specified substance. could that be if someone took an over the counter cold medicine that had ephedra in it? you could be ending a guys career lets have some specifics.
A non specified substance indicates the prescence of metabolites, trace level or otherwise, associated with the administration of a controlled substance. They don't need to have identified that actual substance to know that whatever it is that was taken was controlled.
However what is key is the level at which those metabolites are detected. There has been much discussion within the medical community regarding where the threshold should be set.
Recent advances in testing protocols mean that the detection sensitivity is so high that the presence of those metabolites does not immediately indicate nefarious intent. Hence the current state of affairs with regard to suspensions, bans, A and B samples, and why it seems these things get drawn out for so long, resulting in the reputational damage of athletes who are suspended, and subsequently absolved of responsibility.
By that point the competitor's name has been sullied forever regardless of their guilt, or lack there of.
As I said, it's a .... show. But this is Iannone we are talking about so I'm going to judge him regardless, despite all the signalling of virtue in the paragraphs I just wrote...
However what is key is the level at which those metabolites are detected. There has been much discussion within the medical community regarding where the threshold should be set.
Recent advances in testing protocols mean that the detection sensitivity is so high that the presence of those metabolites does not immediately indicate nefarious intent. Hence the current state of affairs with regard to suspensions, bans, A and B samples, and why it seems these things get drawn out for so long, resulting in the reputational damage of athletes who are suspended, and subsequently absolved of responsibility.
By that point the competitor's name has been sullied forever regardless of their guilt, or lack there of.
As I said, it's a .... show. But this is Iannone we are talking about so I'm going to judge him regardless, despite all the signalling of virtue in the paragraphs I just wrote...
None at all. It's all about the threshold with removes objectivity from the equation.
For those with a deeper interest in the subject, I would suggest listening to the Joe Rogan podcast with Jeff Novitsky, the man who finally busted Lance Armstrong. He goes into great detail regarding the leaps testing protocols have taken in the last decade. He mentions the level of detection sensitivity being far higher than it used to be, to the point that a positive metabolite detection no longer is an indication of malfeasance on the part of the testee. The threshold has had to be implemented as a standard part of the process as a result.
For those with a deeper interest in the subject, I would suggest listening to the Joe Rogan podcast with Jeff Novitsky, the man who finally busted Lance Armstrong. He goes into great detail regarding the leaps testing protocols have taken in the last decade. He mentions the level of detection sensitivity being far higher than it used to be, to the point that a positive metabolite detection no longer is an indication of malfeasance on the part of the testee. The threshold has had to be implemented as a standard part of the process as a result.
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I know zero about the science (or politics) of testing.
The Washington Post may have different staff than they did in the Nixon era - but the mission hasn't changed any more than that of the NY Times.
If you sincerely believe they propagate fake news, then you and I should avoid talking politics. I generally do avoid it on this forum. People here who wholeheartedly agree on racing can end up seriously at odds over religion or politics, and it ends up ruining good threads. The present state of politics in the USA (and much of the civilized world) is grotesque. I like that talking racing is such a good distraction from all that.
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Italian media are reporting that the substance is drostanolone (Masteron).
This is an injectable anobolic most often used for cutting weight in bodybuilding (not water cutting, preserving muscle mass whilst dieting).
It has terrible bioavailability and is not (if ever) prepared in oral form.
Basically, there is zero chance of this being accidentally ingested (unless he fell on a syringe, but I've not seen anyone try that excuse yet)
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This is an injectable anobolic most often used for cutting weight in bodybuilding (not water cutting, preserving muscle mass whilst dieting).
It has terrible bioavailability and is not (if ever) prepared in oral form.
Basically, there is zero chance of this being accidentally ingested (unless he fell on a syringe, but I've not seen anyone try that excuse yet)
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If true, then this is quite incriminating and difficult to defend other than through specimen tampering or lab error.
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Just a bit funny.
As if they used a picture of the last man on earth likely to ever get busted for doping!
What are is height and weight?. My impression is that he is large by MotoGP standards. If he didn’t do it out of vanity he probably did it to redress a disadvantage ie to lose weight but not strength to compete better against the jockey sized guys who are now the norm in the sport.
I am no fan of dopers, nor of Iannone for that matter, but I hardly think anabolic steroids give much advantage in general in gp bike racing.
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Yeah they will test sample B soon but until then preventive suspension.
Have you guys seen the article that mentions Marc having a go a joint smokers in motogp?
They also do a very random test to random riders every random race, its a very iffy way to test if you ask me.
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If they're predictable then the offenders can be prepared. Being always prepared in an upredictable testing environment isn't easy.
