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How much does it cost to get a ride - Aussie perspectives

Gaz

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Found this article that is written around Jack Miller and Wayne Gardner (with regards his sons) as to the costs for themselves to be able to compete in the MotoGP and Spanish CEV classes.

For those that do not like the Mat Oxley writings due to his mentioning of Rossi, this article makes no such comparisons but does provide a good insight as to the experiences of the two involved

I will be honest and say that again I enjoy Miller's non-political correctness in this article as it is refreshing to be able to see/read in the words used by the rider, not some 'keep it nice' publicity drivel


The million-euro gamble | Motor Sport Magazine



How much does it cost to get into Grand Prix racing? If you need to ask, you probably can’t afford it

I assume Jack Miller’s post-Assen party is just about over now and that he’s back down the gym, pumping iron like a good lad.

Miller, like many other Aussie battlers before him, has the knack of burning the candle at both ends: working hard and playing hard. And you may have noticed that whenever he has a good day at work he likes to thank his parents for what they’ve done for him.

There’s a good reason for this. It’s very difficult and expensive to fight your way down the long, winding and rocky road that leads to MotoGP, even if you live in Spain or Italy. But it’s a damn sight more difficult and expensive if you live outside Europe and especially if you’re from the other side of the world.

The amount of money spent by the Miller family to get their son into the lower reaches of Grand Prix racing is eye-watering. The same goes for Wayne Gardner, the former 500cc world champion, who reckons he’s spent £1.5 million on the careers of sons Remy and Luca.

Miller’s parents Sonya and Peter mortgaged their house more than once to fund Jack’s big adventure, which started when the former dirt tracker and motocrosser arrived in Europe in 2010, after just a few races back home on a Honda RS125.

“Dad built a trailer that slotted exactly into a 40-foot sea-freight container,” recalls Miller, who was 15 at the time. “We packed my two Hondas, a toolbox and all our living stuff, then when we got to Europe we bought a motorhome and hooked up the trailer. We lived in caravan parks and spent a lot of time living at racetracks – Cartagena for a while, then Almeria. We had one bike set up as a race bike – fresh pistons and tyres – and the other as a test bike, with second-hand pistons and tyres. I’d only done 1800km on a roadrace bike, so I’d ride every other day, paying 50 bucks to join track days. It was cool, diving through all these guys on streetbikes! But that year was ....... dear – moving house and everything cost us at least 220,000 Aussie dollars.”

The Millers travelled the length and breadth of Europe like gypsies, just as their Aussie forebears had done in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s. From Spain to Germany and the Czech Republic they learned along the way and made friends at every turn. It was only a matter of time before someone noticed Miller’s talent. That finally happened towards the end of his first season in Europe when a German team asked him to contest the last two rounds of the Spanish CEV (Campionato Espagnolo Velocità) series.

“We had to pay for that, of course. We stayed with the same team for 2011, which cost us around 70,000 Euros [£59,000], doing the CEV and IDM [German championship]. I won the German championship and got a call from the Caretta Technology team to ride the last few 125 GPs of the season.

“That was about 7000 Euros [£5900] a race, which was ....... expensive for the .... bike we were on. We got conned into going with them the next year, the first year of Moto3. So we signed a deal and we went with the Honda, but then everyone else changed to the FTR chassis. We were promised the world by the team and we paid through the arse; 250,000 Euros (£210,000), which was the biggest waste of money ever. My parents mortgaged the house for that – so I knew that was my one shot. The bike wasn’t what we wanted and my dad was ready to strangle the team owners. It was a .... year and by the end of 2012 I thought it was all over.

“Then Dirk [Heidolf, former GP rider and owner of the RTG team] offered us a ride for 2013 – a little cheaper and his Honda was better. Dorna and IRTA chipped in, so we paid about 175,000 Euros [£147,000]. My dad mortgaged the house again and by the end of the season we had ran out of money, so my aunties and uncles were chipping in. What we did that year was enough to get us the KTM deal with Aki Ajo, which was my first free ride!”

Miller led the 2014 Moto3 series, only to miss out on the title at the last round by two points. Honda’s Shuhei Nakamoto and Livio Suppo had already spotted his talent while he was riding the little Honda in 2013, so in May 2014 they signed him for an unprecedented three-year MotoGP deal. So, after spending towards a million Euros it all turned out well for ........ But what about the next generation of Americans and Aussies, how does Miller think they can make their way into the big time?

“For Australians the only way you can do it is by getting out of Australia,” he says. “Okay, they’re trying to build up the Australian championship and do the right thing, but the competition there isn’t like it is here. I’d won a few races in Australia on the Honda, then my parents said what’s the point of spending the money here, just so we can say we’re Aussie champions, when we could spend quite a bit more and be a small fish in a big pond and actually learn stuff?

“Now I’m here I know how hard it is. The only way is to get to know people and be willing to spend money. The thing is there’s some great guys, like Mark Keen of KRP in England, who we met on our travels. If we’d known him before we came over, that would’ve made it a lot easier. We did it our own way because we didn’t know anyone. Wayne [Gardner] has done it differently with his kids because he had a foot in door.”

Gardner became the first Australian to win the 500cc title in 1987. He arrived in Europe at the beginning of that decade when racing was very different.

“I bought a plane ticket and came over with a thousand dollars in my pocket,” he says. “You jumped on a plane, dragged a bag along, slept on people’s floors and hitchhiked around to meet people and plead and beg and crawl to get on bikes to show your skills. But those days have gone...

"The whole show has changed since those days; in some ways for the better and in some ways it’s not so good. The costs have escalated by five or six times. Trying to find sponsors to keep up with that is difficult. A lot of teams can’t find the sponsorship so they’re asking riders to bring sponsors or they’re asking parents to pay. The amount of money it takes is just astronomical; you’re talking 250,000 Euros [£210,000] for a half-decent Moto3 ride in the CEV championship! And it costs a hell of a lot just getting to that level.”

Gardner realised some years ago that the only way to give sons Remy and Luca a chance of making it to the top was to leave Australia and set up home in Spain, the cauldron of modern racing talent.

“You can’t do it like I did anymore,” he adds. “You can’t drop into Europe at 18 or 19 – you’ve got to start at a young age. Casey Stoner left Australia because he couldn’t roadrace until he was 14. I realised all that, so I came to Europe to have a look and I was, like, Jeez, look at what they’re doing here. If an Australian comes here now they’re five or six seconds off the pace, as Remy was to start with, so you’ve got to come here early to build your pace before you get to the point where you’re ready for CEV. I think I just made it with Remy, though we should’ve come over a year or two earlier.

“Luckily Remy has worked at it and he’s on the money now, but Jesus, it’s taken a lot of hard work and a lot of money, because you’ve got to feed these teams with money or sponsors, you’ve got to keep pumping the money in. Kenny [Roberts, three-time 500cc World Champion] told me you’re going to spend two million dollars. I said, no way, but he was right.

“Let’s say you’re an eight- or nine-year-old kid in Australia showing some ability – you’ve already missed a few years compared to the kids in Spain, and then how do you find the money to come to Europe because you’ve got the cost of uprooting the family, plus the parents will probably have to give up their jobs? So you’ve got to cover all that, plus four or five years of racing at 250,000 Euros a season, plus all the family’s living costs, before you even get to GPs.”

Last month Miller won his first MotoGP race and Remy Gardner rode his first Moto2 Grand Prix. Combined cost of getting them both to where they are now? Over £2 million. So start saving…
 
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Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I won a National karting championship and blagged a test with a Formula Ford team. It was a pissing wet day at Silverstone and only the second time I'd driven a racing car. I finished off nearly a second quicker than the teams regular driver. I thought "Great, I'm in here" I asked what happened next and they said "Well, if you give us £70,000 then you can race the car for next season".
 
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All I can say is that there must be an absolutely enormous amount of talent going to waste because they dont have the cash to get a foot in the door. If riders earned their rides through only their ability on a bike, and not their ability to cough up money, then every series would probably be a lot more competative. There must be dozens of Rossis, Lorenzos & Stoners slipping through without even getting a chance to show their potential.
 
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All I can say is that there must be an absolutely enormous amount of talent going to waste because they dont have the cash to get a foot in the door. If riders earned their rides through only their ability on a bike, and not their ability to cough up money, then every series would probably be a lot more competative. There must be dozens of Rossis, Lorenzos & Stoners slipping through without even getting a chance to show their potential.


Ive always said that the best/fastest/most natural rider that Ive ever seen gave it up when he found girls.

Its a myth really that these guys are the best .... realistically they are just guys who cant get real jobs and maintain their riding habit without too much imposition on their lives.
 
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I remember reading a similar article about 3 Irish Superbike champions and their struggle to get rides in other overseas championships due to costs. All 3 are now full time road racers, another one Nico Mawhinney who also won the ISB championship and was offered two options said “I was approached by a team boss and offered a deal to race in the British Superstock championship, I was given two payment options for the ride. I could either pay £2000 per round or £34,000 for the whole season. Crash damage was extra!”
His second offer was for the roads and said “I was offered five bikes to race in every class on the roads. I just had to turn up and race them. I could keep all my own sponsorship money and any start or prize money I got.”

A few years back William Dunlop was competing in the British 125 championship and was lying in 3 place prior to the North West 200 road race meeting, during the NW200 Dunlop was massively pissed off that his bike broke down while leading the 600 race because he needed the prize money so he could fund the next short circuit meeting and as a result he missed it.

Short circuit racing costs a ....... bomb these days and most people never make it beyond club level events no matter how good they are. I usually attend the Aintree club meeting and I've seen sidecar world champions well beaten by the club regulars but because they can't get the funding together the regulars stay where they are.
 
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I think it was josh Brookes who had a dig at Miller a while back for his family paying him into the Grand Prix arena. There is no doubt he has talent, but so do many other lads who don't have the backing.

It's well known stoner and Lorenzos family didn't have much money and got where they are now from talent alone, but it's easier especially if you are Spanish

Club racing does cost a bomb, and there is some very very fast riders. I've seen lads who have ridden at national superstock level competitively and when their money dries up and people realise there not talented finish mid way down the pack in a competitive club race.

You need money and talent
 
Those of you that have been here a while know my stance. Once you have a sticker on the side of that bike, you should be getting paid. I still cant believe we are in the 21st century and these race team owners are playing the same game, and the dummies that risk their lives, do it for free or actually mortgage their future to do it. The FIM and Dorna, or what ever entity that runs a professional racing series with a TV contract, should have rules requiring a set minimum salary to the riders with no financial responsibilities whatsoever to the team. I remember a few years back Colin Edwards went on a rant about riders paying their own way and how it needed to stop, that every time you get just one little rich kid who's daddy is willing to fork over the cash to galavant around the world, it totally screws the next generation of riders. This is the 3rd most watched sport in the world with less than 100 participants, a small salary of 25-30 k is not only doable, it should be mandatory. It takes a sick evil ....... that asks a 15 year old kid to risk his life and his families financial future for his own personal gain.
 
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Those of you that have been here a while know my stance. Once you have a sticker on the side of that bike, you should be getting paid. I still cant believe we are in the 21st century and these race team owners are playing the same game, and the dummies that risk their lives, do it for free or actually mortgage their future to do it. The FIM and Dorna, or what ever entity that runs a professional racing series with a TV contract, should have rules requiring a set minimum salary to the riders with no financial responsibilities whatsoever to the team. I remember a few years back Colin Edwards went on a rant about riders paying their own way and how it needed to stop, that every time you get just one little rich kid who's daddy is willing to fork over the cash to galavant around the world, it totally screws the next generation of riders. This is the 3rd most watched sport in the world with less than 100 participants, a small salary of 25-30 k is not only doable, it should be mandatory. It takes a sick evil ....... that asks a 15 year old kid to risk his life and his families financial future for his own personal gain.
Your right, I had sponsor stickers on my bike but certainly didn't get paid! Nor did I want to. I took a loan to start racing and managed to race for 8 yrs.

It was great turning up in the back of my rotting van and rolling out a sorted bike only for the bloke next door to pull out his even more sorted bike from his massive motor home and finish last.

Let's face it the quickest riders get a chance, but it's often who you know, not what you know. Karel Abraham is a prime example.

As for pushy parents, I agree it's wrong, but I bet nearly, if not all the MotoGP grid had them
 
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How many MVs did Hailwood's dad have to promise to buy before his son was offered a factory bike?
 
A few years before I quit - one of the bikes I was running was an FZ600 with the engine built by Kevin Cameron. One day I got to know a guy who was whose family was camped out next to me in a huge air-conditioned RV and he too had the same bike. But this guy has Dymag wheels, Brembo brakes, hand made triple clamps, a TZ250 swing arm, TZ250 forks and a whole assortment of unobtanium parts, the sum total value of all his trick parts cost more than my bike and the work Kevin did for me. And the guy was a ....... first year novice.

Like Mr. Zimmerman said; Money doesn't talk, it swears.
 
Guys have been paying their way to seats for a long, long time in motorsports in general.

This is not a new occurrence...the phrase "gentlemen racers" came about for a reason; they were racers who had large sums of money to either buy themselves one-off rides, or would finance their way through an entire season. This was of course well before the days of actual sponsors showing up on cars and the like.

The problem seems worse now because the costs have gone up by so much more, and since many teams are always looking for money, they are unlikely to say no when someone shows up on their doorstep with a Brinks truck of cash to unload assuming they've got enough ability to keep up with the field.

Is there a way to stop this, or at the least, reduce the overall cost to play in an effort to try and advance riders or drivers based on actual ability first?

Possibly.

But the only way I could ever see this happening is if all of the feeder series became spec series in the truest sense. Even as is, many of these spec series you see are still highly dependent on any number of things from a good crew who can setup a vehicle, to maybe even being able to figure out what imperfections exist in a batch of tires so you can pick the best tires out of the overall allotment.

Purely as an example, maybe the way to do it would be to run say a CBR600RR spec series. The only parameters open for adjustment on the bike is tire pressure and suspension adjustments. Tires are a blind pick obviously. All bikes are in possession of the series promoter until they wheel them out into the pits, and there is a random observer watching every bike to ensure the only thing being adjusted are suspension or tire parameters. Would it work? No idea. But it would definitely cut down on a lot of the money buying you the best equipment if you can't actually change the OEM equipment out for something better.
 
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Ive always said that the best/fastest/most natural rider that Ive ever seen gave it up when he found girls.

Its a myth really that these guys are the best .... realistically they are just guys who cant get real jobs and maintain their riding habit without too much imposition on their lives.

It's something that irritates me when you read all riders biographies, or interviews when they win a championship (Stoner and Hayden respectively come to mind), they always say something along the lines of "This proves dreams can come true, as long as you never give up"

Stoner was one of the lucky few whose talent showed despite his lack of finance, but there are many people I know personally who are working in dead end jobs now and their parents broke chasing the dream.

Those of you that have been here a while know my stance. Once you have a sticker on the side of that bike, you should be getting paid. I still cant believe we are in the 21st century and these race team owners are playing the same game, and the dummies that risk their lives, do it for free or actually mortgage their future to do it. The FIM and Dorna, or what ever entity that runs a professional racing series with a TV contract, should have rules requiring a set minimum salary to the riders with no financial responsibilities whatsoever to the team. I remember a few years back Colin Edwards went on a rant about riders paying their own way and how it needed to stop, that every time you get just one little rich kid who's daddy is willing to fork over the cash to galavant around the world, it totally screws the next generation of riders. This is the 3rd most watched sport in the world with less than 100 participants, a small salary of 25-30 k is not only doable, it should be mandatory. It takes a sick evil ....... that asks a 15 year old kid to risk his life and his families financial future for his own personal gain.

Whenever I raced, I never ran any stickers if people didn't pay for them in cash or kind. In my entire time racing I ran Samco Sport stickers on the nose for a few seasons courtesy of them supplying me with custom hoses, and NGK for supplying me with spark plugs in my early days. Apart from that the kart never ran anything but the team name stickers.

I remember my dad buying a new van once; it came with a dealership sticker in the rear wndow and dad asked what discount he was going to get for that. They replied none and that they do it to all new vehicles they sell. He told them to either give him a discount or remove the sticker otherwise he'd walk. Sure enough they took it off. No free advertising!



But the only way I could ever see this happening is if all of the feeder series became spec series in the truest sense. Even as is, many of these spec series you see are still highly dependent on any number of things from a good crew who can setup a vehicle, to maybe even being able to figure out what imperfections exist in a batch of tires so you can pick the best tires out of the overall allotment.

Purely as an example, maybe the way to do it would be to run say a CBR600RR spec series. The only parameters open for adjustment on the bike is tire pressure and suspension adjustments. Tires are a blind pick obviously. All bikes are in possession of the series promoter until they wheel them out into the pits, and there is a random observer watching every bike to ensure the only thing being adjusted are suspension or tire parameters. Would it work? No idea. But it would definitely cut down on a lot of the money buying you the best equipment if you can't actually change the OEM equipment out for something better.

As Flavio Biratore said though; "If we were given $180 million a year to race shopping carts, it would cost $180 million a year to race shopping carts"

It's a good idea JPS, but as you point out even a spec series is flawed. I raced for a number of years in a short circuit spec kart series and it was great in many ways, but people still found and still find ways to gain an advantage outside the spirit of the rules. For example the engines have a factory recommended rev limit, but many people run them over it if they can afford more regular piston changes and rebuilds. Tyres are a control tyre, but the richer guys will buy a number of sets and find the best batch number or even just buy new sets each meeting, which the more budget people cannot afford.

The sad thing is in racing is even a spec series will never have true equality. The only thing I can think of is similar to the Club 100 karting series in the UK, where all karts are prepared by one company and no racer gets the same kart for 2 meetings.
 
Guys have been paying their way to seats for a long, long time in motorsports in general.

This is not a new occurrence...the phrase "gentlemen racers" came about for a reason; they were racers who had large sums of money to either buy themselves one-off rides, or would finance their way through an entire season. This was of course well before the days of actual sponsors showing up on cars and the like.

The problem seems worse now because the costs have gone up by so much more, and since many teams are always looking for money, they are unlikely to say no when someone shows up on their doorstep with a Brinks truck of cash to unload assuming they've got enough ability to keep up with the field.

Is there a way to stop this, or at the least, reduce the overall cost to play in an effort to try and advance riders or drivers based on actual ability first?

Possibly.

But the only way I could ever see this happening is if all of the feeder series became spec series in the truest sense. Even as is, many of these spec series you see are still highly dependent on any number of things from a good crew who can setup a vehicle, to maybe even being able to figure out what imperfections exist in a batch of tires so you can pick the best tires out of the overall allotment.

Purely as an example, maybe the way to do it would be to run say a CBR600RR spec series. The only parameters open for adjustment on the bike is tire pressure and suspension adjustments. Tires are a blind pick obviously. All bikes are in possession of the series promoter until they wheel them out into the pits, and there is a random observer watching every bike to ensure the only thing being adjusted are suspension or tire parameters. Would it work? No idea. But it would definitely cut down on a lot of the money buying you the best equipment if you can't actually change the OEM equipment out for something better.
The virgin r6 cup in the uk was exactly this about 15 years ago. Basically you paid 20grand (yes 20 grand)to get a stock r6 with some suspension mods. You didn't have to fettle the bike you just turned up and raced it, if you crashed they repaired it. It was a level playing but not cheap. Tommy hill won it one year. It died of death cost was a crash fest.

There is plenty of 'spec' series in the uk for bikes, but as 22 says people always find ways to find advantages. The easy way is to throw money at tyres and engine rebuilds.

James toseland launched his career on the CB 500 cup, his bike as said to have fire blade Pistons fitted etc on a supposive stock cb500!!!
 
I remember my dad buying a new van once; it came with a dealership sticker in the rear wndow and dad asked what discount he was going to get for that. They replied none and that they do it to all new vehicles they sell. He told them to either give him a discount or remove the sticker otherwise he'd walk. Sure enough they took it off. No free advertising!





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I told a dealer that i didnt want any stickers or front plate holder with their plate logo on the front. Didnt want holes drilled in my new bumper and dont advertise for free. Low and behold, the car came around from clean up with a damn front plate holder and i told them to get another one. They said they would fix it but i didnt want a new car that had been painted on, so they got me another one and we redid the paper work. Took it home to show the wife her new car, got in my truck and BAM, forgot the ....... thing was behind me and drove the bumper hitch plum through the front bumper cover. Went and got a plate bracket and mounted it over the hole. KARMA is a ......
 
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Purely as an example, maybe the way to do it would be to run say a CBR600RR spec series. The only parameters open for adjustment on the bike is tire pressure and suspension adjustments. Tires are a blind pick obviously. All bikes are in possession of the series promoter until they wheel them out into the pits, and there is a random observer watching every bike to ensure the only thing being adjusted are suspension or tire parameters. Would it work? No idea. But it would definitely cut down on a lot of the money buying you the best equipment if you can't actually change the OEM equipment out for something better.

They did try that approach over here for the junior series at one stage.

The basic idea was that each rider paid (from memory here, between 5 - 10k) for a full season. All they had to do was turn up and ride.

The bikes were looked after by one business and each race weekend were delivered supposedly in the same state of tune etc.

At the race weekend, the bikes were 'drawn from a hat' so were given randomly to riders who them had open slather in terms of setup options which were assisted by the mechanics that had stored/maintained the bikes.

In the end, there were always fast kids and faster kids, irrespective of the bikes involved as it did and does come to talent
 
They did try that approach over here for the junior series at one stage.

The basic idea was that each rider paid (from memory here, between 5 - 10k) for a full season. All they had to do was turn up and ride.

The bikes were looked after by one business and each race weekend were delivered supposedly in the same state of tune etc.

At the race weekend, the bikes were 'drawn from a hat' so were given randomly to riders who them had open slather in terms of setup options which were assisted by the mechanics that had stored/maintained the bikes.

In the end, there were always fast kids and faster kids, irrespective of the bikes involved as it did and does come to talent

It doesn't always come to talent however.

Fans only assume it does because when they see people like Stoner, Lorenzo, or whomever else at the top, they think somehow merit has carried the day. I don't buy that for a second. Arrab has mentioned a number of times on here if the bikes were truly equal, a lot of people would be very surprised with who would actually be at the top.
 
As Flavio Biratore said though; "If we were given $180 million a year to race shopping carts, it would cost $180 million a year to race shopping carts"

It's a good idea JPS, but as you point out even a spec series is flawed. I raced for a number of years in a short circuit spec kart series and it was great in many ways, but people still found and still find ways to gain an advantage outside the spirit of the rules. For example the engines have a factory recommended rev limit, but many people run them over it if they can afford more regular piston changes and rebuilds. Tyres are a control tyre, but the richer guys will buy a number of sets and find the best batch number or even just buy new sets each meeting, which the more budget people cannot afford.

The sad thing is in racing is even a spec series will never have true equality. The only thing I can think of is similar to the Club 100 karting series in the UK, where all karts are prepared by one company and no racer gets the same kart for 2 meetings.

Yes, let's trust Briatore, a man who was convicted of fraud.

A spec series is only flawed if the participants keep the equipment with them. If they only get to touch the equipment under supervision of officials, and cannot travel with the bike/car, it's a whole different ball game. Where there is a will, there is a way. Mind you I'm not advocating for top series to be spec necessarily, just that if the desire is to establish a true meritocracy, it can be done with hard work and effort with the input of the governing bodies of the respective race series.

For example, NASCAR, at any restrictor plate race, NASCAR officials distribute the plates at random, and then install the plate on the car. Crew chiefs are not allowed to ever touch the restrictor plate. Teams also work in open garages so everyone can see what you are doing and nothing is hidden away the way it is in WEC, GP, or F1.
 
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I wasn't taking his word as gospel, and regardless of his fraud conviction, he is right. Teams will spend what they can/have to.
 
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