How come Capirossi gets a pass

Well, he said there's some engine problems but at the same time, also admitted that he didn't ride well. We don't really know what's on his mind. Let's just hope he'll be able to sort out the engine problems and by the time at Istanbul track ( i assume his wife would have delivered by then), I hope he'll be able to focus 100% on the race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capirex @ Mar 27 2007, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>because he ain't blaming the clutch...his team-mate or his bike ... he blames himself
I thought you were past your madness, but I see you are still stuck on <strike>stupid</strike>. Oops I meant, biases. Or should we revisit this topic? I'd be more than willing to write you an essay debunking your entire premise.

(please, don't report me )

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaptainSnow @ Mar 27 2007, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>capirossi has had a very long and fruitful career being a fan favorite known for his warmness to the crowd and all that hoopla.

hayden is sort of new and sort of cool with the crowd (real cool with the chicks cause they all want to do him) and hasnt really gone up through the ranks and earned all the respect and admiration that capirossi has.

also, as defending world champion you would expect alot better out of him
Pretty much says it all.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 27 2007, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And NO,wife being pregnant is not a reason.
Looks like a few skiped this and put it down as an excuse anyway. Well Edwards once had the same issue, but won every single race there after. Who knows. Loris is well liked and he came up the MotoGP ranks. And if you notice, this site is filled with people who think GP and its support classes are the end all to be all, with a few exceptions. So its to be expected.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capirex @ Mar 27 2007, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>because he ain't blaming the clutch...his team-mate or his bike ... he blames himself
<u>Disclaimer:</u> Loris is one of my favorite riders. I don’t like to point out some contradictions here but since Capirex starts her premise with a disrespectful and thinly veiled shot at Hayden, then goes on to imply that Capirossi is “only” blaming himself, well, that’s just too much to bear or stomach.

So Capirex,

You start your premise with a reference to Hayden…

Implying of course that he blamed his woes last season on well-documented problems, not to mention, his teammate taking him out. If that isn’t cause for someone getting pissed off, I don’t know what is.

So according to you, Capirossi blames himself “only”?

Did you even read the article? Maybe we should ask somebody if the following are “excuses” or “explanation” from what was dubbed (called) “Biaggi’s 101 Excuse book.” Since I recall a statement invoking this word “contradiction”.

Lets see, the following are Capirossi quotes:

Lets start with: “I blame myself”

Here are a few of his other quotes:

"At the start something happened with the engine…”

“We worked on engine mapping this morning but maybe we didn't get it right because I didn't have great acceleration…”

“When we use the electronics to make the power more sweet the bike loses it competitiveness.”


That’s weird. Maybe I should read it in Italian since in English it sure seems he is placing some of the blame on: the bike’s; the engine, the mapping, the acceleration, electronics, the power…etc. Maybe we can get somebody who I know on this site that speaks multiple languages to translate it from the original language, perhaps then it won’t seem like his bike is to blame.

Please Capirex, if you want to start something don’t do it by way of sacrificing Loris. I like him way too much to point out some contradictions at the expense of point out your degrading and very lame premise.

I could only imagine what hell fire would come down on Hayden if he said this stuff.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 27 2007, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But Hayden is treated like a heritic and he is 6th in points with over 4 times as many points as Capirossi.Why is that?
Because this site has many posters like Capirex.

But there are also plenty of posters that are not as biased, look for them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 28 2007, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Holy .... Race Racejumkie,you noticed that too?.
Noticed? Dude, I'm not really a linguistic specialist, I just play one on TV, but you'd have to be blind and deaf with no hands (incase they presented you the text in braille) not to notice what the text is saying. Helen Keller would have noticed it. I guess some people just prefer to stick their head’s in the sand.

Jumkie ... that's classic stuff from ya did ya put but did u put your glasses and read my post? ..... i said he blames himself didn't write only himself ...but i guess that's the same for ya.

I said he ain't blaming the bike ... and like u cleverly noticed that ... he had tehnical difficultes (he mentiones ) but he says that could be also caused by his own riding style ... BUT in thened does he came out and said: Well i was bad because my bike didn't worked and i'm not the one to blame. .


Or i said that ...... please check again ...he said: i'm the one to blame and also ...I don't want to blame anyone isn't that blaming himself ?

another link

Lets notice this:

"The thing is that I don't want to blame anyone: I'm not riding as well as usual so I think I'll need to understand and we'll have some homework to do

"My riding style is fairly aggressive and I'm struggling to ride this bike. When we try to overcome that through electronics we end up worsening other aspects.

"I'm struggling a bit to adapt on some tracks, so when I try to extract more than what I can do I put what we have in crisis. This could be absolutely my problem.

"In any case I think a rider doesn't unlearn how to ride a bike from winter testing to the first races.

"I think I'm still able to ride the bike but I just had a bit of a difficult time but I've had many of those in my career so I'm not scared about it at all.



So for my lack of understanding: ... "I didn't ride so well" maybe my riding style doesn't perfectly suit the engine character... are statements that blames the bike ???

Let's check this statement aswell:
At the start something happened with the engine, I got a bad start and after... well, I didn't ride so well. We worked on engine mapping this morning but maybe we didn't get it right because I didn't have great acceleration and that made things worse. I'm not happy, I had a bad race.

The track conditions weren't bad today, the tyres worked well, but maybe my riding style doesn't perfectly suit the engine character..

he says that the cause of the problem could be his style: I'm a bit aggressive with the gas and maybe this is the problem. When we use the electronics to make the power more sweet the bike loses it competitiveness. It's a thing I have to work on - trying to adapt my style." ....wait no, he's blaming the bike ...

As far as i can see .....and as jumkie says ..i can't see very far though -due to my biased glasses - I say Capirossi ain't blaming his bike ..and even though he had problems with the bike that he mentions overall I think he takes the "credits' for being where he is curently ...

Myabe i'm the one with bad english ... but the main excuse there was the bike, no jumkie? not the rider himself as responsable for the result ...


Iulia

p.s. i missed your long post but you don't have to write consecutive posts....there is an EDIT button

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 29 2007, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><u>Disclaimer:</u> Loris is one of my favorite riders. I don’t like to point out some contradictions here but since Capirex starts her premise with a disrespectful and thinly veiled shot at Hayden, then goes on to imply that Capirossi is “only” blaming himself, well, that’s just too much to bear or stomach.

So Capirex,

You start your premise with a reference to Hayden…

Implying of course that he blamed his woes last season on well-documented problems, not to mention, his teammate taking him out. If that isn’t cause for someone getting pissed off, I don’t know what is.

So according to you, Capirossi blames himself “only”?

Did you even read the article? Maybe we should ask somebody if the following are “excuses” or “explanation” from what was dubbed (called) “Biaggi’s 101 Excuse book.” Since I recall a statement invoking this word “contradiction”.

Lets see, the following are Capirossi quotes:

Lets start with: “I blame myself”

Here are a few of his other quotes:

"At the start something happened with the engine…”

“We worked on engine mapping this morning but maybe we didn't get it right because I didn't have great acceleration…”

“When we use the electronics to make the power more sweet the bike loses it competitiveness.”
That’s weird. Maybe I should read it in Italian since in English it sure seems he is placing some of the blame on: the bike’s; the engine, the mapping, the acceleration, electronics, the power…etc. Maybe we can get somebody who I know on this site that speaks multiple languages to translate it from the original language, perhaps then it won’t seem like his bike is to blame.

Please Capirex, if you want to start something don’t do it by way of sacrificing Loris. I like him way too much to point out some contradictions at the expense of point out your degrading and very lame premise.

I could only imagine what hell fire would come down on Hayden if he said this stuff.
if by caprix saying "it was my fault" you take that as purly mistakes being made riding the bike than it does sound contradictry but by saying "his fault" he could have also ment that he chose wrong set ups or did not relay correct infomation to the team, if he ment his fault in this way then its not atall contradictry. its all about how you interpret where he is saying he made the mistakes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Mar 27 2007, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you wanna bet mate ?

remember "Kat and the crackers" ?

how about a "Frosty/Locks is the Champ" cracker for the loser ?

Consider your face slapped with my glove sir



challenge accepted!

seniority

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Mar 29 2007, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>seniority

Cool Al! I was kind of thinking that one too, not quite the same being a father at 20’s than 30’s… Seniority or was it oldness you meant?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 29 2007, 01:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if by caprix saying "it was my fault" you take that as purly mistakes being made riding the bike than it does sound contradictry but by saying "his fault" he could have also ment that he chose wrong set ups or did not relay correct infomation to the team, if he ment his fault in this way then its not atall contradictry. its all about how you interpret where he is saying he made the mistakes.
Hahahahahaha. Very funny Rog.

I must admit, this is by far the worst attempt I've seen so far to try and rationalize an excuse. Dude, I could almost hear you studddddering.

Check out Loris' quote here:

"At the start something happened with the engine, I got a bad start and after... well, I didn't ride so well.

Dude, there is only one-way to interpret this! He starts out saying something happened to "the engine" then he say "he" didn't get a good start! Are you and Capirex that easily fooled or so blind that you can't read what is in front of you? Does he or does he not blame it on the engine? Yes. It doesn't matter what he goes on to say, which is really him just saying it got worse by his bad performance. Which means he is doing two things, blaming the bike and blaming himself too. But Capirex went on here with the premise that he doesn't blame anything else, and she does this with her premise of singling out Hayden by implying that he blamed others & the bike. I'm not an expert, but last I checked the "engine" is part of the bike. So what if he goes on to say he also screwed up. You and Capirex are simply letting it pass and when Hayden says something similar, he is all jumped on. It's like the politicos around here who say, "I take full responsibility" but then go on saying well its the funding, its a few bad apples that made the mistake, its the budget, its the contractor...bla bla bla. Its plain and simple and you and Capirex simply try to justify it but don't hold the same standard of acceptance when other riders site problems that they have experience with their bikes. But when Rossi says, he needs to send his bike to Yamaha for "more power" then its ok, right? It’s a double standard. And its super noticeable, and your super bias shows. That is what Provol is getting at. Capirex comes out and starts her post by sighting one of the clearest kamikaze crashes of all time, and then has the audacity to say Hayden blamed his teammate? What the hell? Did I miss something here? Is Capirex really Alberto Puig? Is it Hayden’s fault??? Surely even a mindless cheerleader like you Rog don’t agree that it was Hayden’s fault for crashing. So why would she start with this premise with such a ridiculous comment? Do you think she is helping her creditability or taking away from her veracity to comment on the issue? Please man. I know we kid around allot but her .... stinks.

Now let me tell you that I do believe there are mechanical problems that riders experience. And I think a rider should make the public aware of them as an explanation. But the issue of this thread is the double standard that is shown to the riders. Surely Loris gets a pass. And I would agree he has earned it. After-all he is a nice guy, humble, and not a showboat or arrogant. He is after-all a “world champion”. Is he not? So in my estimation there is also another rider here that can be described in the same (at very least similar manner), yet, you and Capirex and a few others crap on him whenever he opens his mouth. Don’t you see, this is the issue.

BTW Rog, I still love you. But Capirex…well I’m going to therapy about it. I’m a forgiving person.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capirex @ Mar 28 2007, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie ... that's classic stuff from ya did ya put but did u put your glasses and read my post? .....

1. i said he blames himself didn't write only himself ...but i guess that's the same for ya.



2. p.s. i missed your long post but you don't have to write consecutive posts....there is an EDIT button
Capirex, thanks for responding.

1. Come on, you're backpedaling here. Why would you start a premise with another rider supposedly blaming his teammate and his bike then go on to say the difference is that Loris "blames himself". You put together a very nice response, detailed, so I know you can read and understand. But please, now you go on here and backpedal and try to change what you meant? I know what you meant and you know what you meant. You tried to answer Provol's question by saying Loris is <u>unlike</u> Hayden who you think blames others, by saying Loris blames himself. And I called you on it (this means exposed you for the untruth that it is). Well the truth is he also blames the bike. Just like your malicious premise that tried to present Hayden as an excuse maker. So my answer to Provol's question is, there is a double-standard by people like you. Ooutch, did I just type that and press reply? Capirex, I'm being a bit harsh. But it dismays me that you would have used Loris as a point to take a shot at Hayden. Both guys are nice, cool, fair, and worth of praise. But you threw in the gauntlet. You provoked a debate between two of the nicest guys on the grid who surely try to keep their issues private and have a strong work ethic.

2. Sorry Capirex, I'm not much of a techy. I just go on and hit the reply button; I don't know how to make it one post. It seems like if I wait a few minutes it automatically goes on to another post. Sometimes it appears as the same post.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 30 2007, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just go on and hit the reply button; I don't know how to make it one post. It seems like if I wait a few minutes it automatically goes on to another post. Sometimes it appears as the same post.

If you go back to your posts, there is a button labelled "EDIT" beside the "QUOTE" and "REPLY" buttons. You could use that to edit, and add a few more words (mannn, it not right, did i just say that?! ) if you like....but if you can't be bothered doing that, it's just okay coz as you have said if you post right after your previous one, it'll automatically combine the two.

i do see your point jumkie and if you look at what i said below i was just trying to look at it from another perspective rather than put spin on it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>if by caprix saying "it was my fault" you take that as purly mistakes being made riding the bike than it does sound contradictry but by saying "his fault" he could have also ment that he chose wrong set ups or did not relay correct infomation to the team, if he ment his fault in this way then its not atall contradictry. its all about how you interpret where he is saying he made the mistakes.

when i read these type of thing i try not to take everythink literally,you must remember that as bikergirl pointed out in another thread things are not always translated correctly and also with posters from all over the world we also have to remember its even harder to debate in writing,so lighten up man. and i luvs ya to buddy.

Wow...Riccardo's not born yet and look at all the gossip already!!!!!
Imagine when he starts racing....

...I just hope he looks like his mum!!!!

Capirex, you should know you can never bad mouth Nicky H with jumkie around.You should bow before him like jumkie does.
I'm thinking we need a limit on the amount of sentences we can use in a reply because I usually fall asleep after the 5th line.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Mar 30 2007, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...I just hope he looks like his mum!!!!


AMEN

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Mar 30 2007, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Capirex, you should know you can never bad mouth Nicky H with jumkie around.You should bow before him like jumkie does.
I'm thinking we need a limit on the amount of sentences we can use in a reply because I usually fall asleep after the 5th line.



Practice this with me: (The moment you see the name Racejumkie) scroll down fast...that way, you won't fall asleep

Peace jumkie!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 30 2007, 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i do see your point jumkie and if you look at what i said below i was just trying to look at it from another perspective rather than put spin on it.
when i read these type of thing i try not to take everythink literally,you must remember that as bikergirl pointed out in another thread things are not always translated correctly and also with posters from all over the world we also have to remember its even harder to debate in writing,so lighten up man. and i luvs ya to buddy.
That's why I can sometimes <strike>respect</strike>, <strike>understand </strike>, <strike>agree</strike>, <strike>listen</strike> well at least, <u>stomach</u> what you got to say Rog--cuz in some rare moments you are reasonable. That's no BS.

Ok, I'm lightened up. Hell I'm starting to levitate. (oh that's cuz I'm high)...


Oh and SDW, I'm gonna let that one pass. Don't thank me, thank Rog.