Hayden's bike

I understand the frustration Jumkie but I don't see where you can place blame. The tire was .... and the electronics were faulty. No matter this group's opinion of Michelin, Nicky has always been quick to compliment his rubber and electronic failure has no history with the 212, to my knowledge anyways. Nicky's just had a .... year, nothing can go right.

The only thing left to do is to blame outlandish conspiracy theories. Honda and Michelin have found out that Hayden has already signed for Ducati so they're sabotaging his season. Two seasons of failure back to back after a WC would prove that it was the Honda that won his championship, not the rider. Isn't that what Honda's goal has been since Rossi's time? To prove that they win the championships, not the riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 15 2008, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry if you are being sarcastic (if so I stand corrected), but I didn't catch it. No blame? So you don't find it interesting that the other factory bike hasnt had these types of issues?

It is interesting that Nicky asked for the bike with the electronic difficulties and Dani didn't risk it. Good choice Mr Pedrosa. The tyre situation was a tough deal, but they even failed on Rossi when he was their star and i am yet to hear what exactly the tyre problem was.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 15 2008, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry if you are being sarcastic (if so I stand corrected), but I didn't catch it. No blame? So you don't find it interesting that the other factory bike hasnt had these types of issues?
No because electronic failure is common among bikes that are still coming along. Why else do you think Suzuki never had a rider finish a race from 2003 to 2006? And the pneumo is still coming along, HRC said it wasn't ready. I would assume there are some major differences between the pneumo and the spring that HRC have not gotten the electronics to properly interface with yet. I would guess similar issues to what Rossi had last year when he prematurely tried the pneumo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 15 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No because electronic failure is common among bikes that are still coming along. Why else do you think Suzuki never had a rider finish a race from 2003 to 2006? And the pneumo is still coming along, HRC said it wasn't ready. I would assume there are some major differences between the pneumo and the spring that HRC have not gotten the electronics to properly interface with yet. I would guess similar issues to what Rossi had last year when he prematurely tried the pneumo.

Agree Austin, I read that several times, the decision was exactly came from Hayden. His situation with standard valve wasn't good and now not even better...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 16 2008, 05:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry if you are being sarcastic (if so I stand corrected), but I didn't catch it. No blame? So you don't find it interesting that the other factory bike hasn't had these types of issues?
Usually when you are racing more or less a prototype these issues arise. Pedrosa played it safe with his choice of equipment and Hayden chose otherwise (he had nothing to lose really) and it had issues. Big deal, failing to see how this even deserves its own thread.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 16 2008, 05:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is interesting that Nicky asked for the bike with the electronic difficulties and Dani didn't risk it. Good choice Mr Pedrosa. The tyre situation was a tough deal, but they even failed on Rossi when he was their star and i am yet to hear what exactly the tyre problem was.


The part I find interesting Tom is that Nicky was told straight off the bat that if he takes the Pneumo engine, he can't change back for the rest of the year. Now what the .... is that all about? What other factory team would issue such an ultimatum to one of it's 2 riders? Would Ducati with Stoner or Yamaha with Rossi? Not a chance in hell. Perfect opportunity to screw him over as far as I'm concerned.
Kind of a " You wanted it now your stuck with it " piss poor attitude.

If the fact that Nicky had to pit after the first lap whilst a noted wet weather duffer in Pedrosa was smoking the field doesn't raise eyebrows then I guess nothing will.
I would back Nicky, Dovi and Colin to all thump Dani in the wet any day of the week and they were all supposedly supposed to be on the same rubber.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 15 2008, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The part I find interesting Tom is that Nicky was told straight off the bat that if he takes the Pneumo engine, he can't change back for the rest of the year. Now what the .... is that all about? What other factory team would issue such an ultimatum to one of it's 2 riders? Would Ducati with Stoner or Yamaha with Rossi? Not a chance in hell. Perfect opportunity to screw him over as far as I'm concerned.
Kind of a " You wanted it now your stuck with it " piss poor attitude.

If the fact that Nicky had to pit after the first lap whilst a noted wet weather duffer in Pedrosa was smoking the field doesn't raise eyebrows then I guess nothing will.
I would back Nicky, Dovi and Colin to all thump Dani in the wet any day of the week and they were all supposedly supposed to be on the same rubber.
HRC...Its not the bike, its the rider

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 15 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No because electronic failure is common among bikes that are still coming along. Why else do you think Suzuki never had a rider finish a race from 2003 to 2006? And the pneumo is still coming along, HRC said it wasn't ready. I would assume there are some major differences between the pneumo and the spring that HRC have not gotten the electronics to properly interface with yet. I would guess similar issues to what Rossi had last year when he prematurely tried the pneumo.

+1

Nicky got impatient so demanded the new engine, and he is now paying the price for that impatience. He is helping HRC for later in the or next year by doing testing now but he is suffering for it. So in the meantime, wait until next season when he gets on the Duc to be happy again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 16 2008, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, you guys are right. Its Hayden's fault.

if they were n equal machines it would be

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 16 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The part I find interesting Tom is that Nicky was told straight off the bat that if he takes the Pneumo engine, he can't change back for the rest of the year. Now what the .... is that all about? What other factory team would issue such an ultimatum to one of it's 2 riders? Would Ducati with Stoner or Yamaha with Rossi? Not a chance in hell. Perfect opportunity to screw him over as far as I'm concerned.
Kind of a " You wanted it now your stuck with it " piss poor attitude.

If the fact that Nicky had to pit after the first lap whilst a noted wet weather duffer in Pedrosa was smoking the field doesn't raise eyebrows then I guess nothing will.
I would back Nicky, Dovi and Colin to all thump Dani in the wet any day of the week and they were all supposedly supposed to be on the same rubber.

I can see some practical reasons that Honda would make the ultimatum to Hayden. The pneumatic engine is very different to the spring valve, it even changes the c of g, to say nothing of the differences in electronics and with different programming.
Once they were going down the road of developing the pneumo , they would want to abondon that work, and go back.
Honda were probably reluctant to let Nicky use the new engine before they thought it was ready. They would look bad if they had a lot of mechanical problems.
But on the other hand, Honda are having a good laugh here.
They effectively have one of the best MotoGP riders available, testing for them, on the race tracks in real time, all of which is against the FIM rules.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 16 2008, 06:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The part I find interesting Tom is that Nicky was told straight off the bat that if he takes the Pneumo engine, he can't change back for the rest of the year. Now what the .... is that all about? What other factory team would issue such an ultimatum to one of it's 2 riders? Would Ducati with Stoner or Yamaha with Rossi? Not a chance in hell. Perfect opportunity to screw him over as far as I'm concerned.
Kind of a " You wanted it now your stuck with it " piss poor attitude.

If the fact that Nicky had to pit after the first lap whilst a noted wet weather duffer in Pedrosa was smoking the field doesn't raise eyebrows then I guess nothing will.

These things don't happen to Rossi, Stoner and Pedrosa because they are championship contenders. I don't find it odd that Nicky has been told he can't switch back because if he could he would have free reign to .... HRC engineers about when they are trying to focus their resources.

As for the tyre situation i have already said, sometimes these faulty tyres come about, but i read details on the tyres actual problem yet so i do not know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 16 2008, 07:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, you guys are right. Its Hayden's fault.

Nicky is not directly responsible for the electrical issues he's been having, but they are an accepted and predicted result of a risk he conciously took.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 16 2008, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky is not directly responsible for the electrical issues he's been having, but they are an accepted and predicted result of a risk he conciously took.

+1000

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 16 2008, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky is not directly responsible for the electrical issues he's been having, but they are an accepted and predicted result of a risk he conciously took.
Any level headed person with an ounce of common sense can see that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jul 16 2008, 01:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>+1

Nicky got impatient so demanded the new engine, and he is now paying the price for that impatience. He is helping HRC for later in the or next year by doing testing now but he is suffering for it. So in the meantime, wait until next season when he gets on the Duc to be happy again.
Exactly. And it's not that the pneumo has been disappointing, Nicky has been far faster on it than he was with the spring motor. However, it still has its bugs as any combination of new bike/electronics will have.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 16 2008, 01:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, you guys are right. Its Hayden's fault.
It was either this or languish in 11th for a whole season. At least this way he's showing in FP that he can run top five again. He took the gamble man and in my eyes it's still paying off even if he isn't finishing. Who cares if you finish 9th in the championship while cruising around? He's doing himself much more good by putting in top five times and having mechanicals. Surely, Ducati are taking notice of his improved times with the new motor and in my mind, that's all that matters.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jul 16 2008, 06:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Any level headed person with an ounce of common sense can see that.
Nice, glad to hear I qualify for level headedness AND common sense.