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Hayden to score more points than Rossi in 2011 ?

Bunyip said:
What if Rossi really can,t get to grips with the Ducati.........................



Some say Rossi and Melandri have similar styles and here is Melandri predicting no good fortune for Vale



Whether that would be successful is another matter altogether, Melandri noted. "I don't know whether he will manage to change the situation," Melandri told Motosprint, "but he has the means to do it. I'm not convinced that he will succeed, however."



http://motomatters.com/news/2010/11/18/marco_melandri_i_had_the_same_problems_a.html



To Haydens credit, he never gave up, and after an awful 2009, has managed to largely get his head around the bike. Does that mean Hayden has 12 months head start on Rossi??
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Personally,I'm not a bigger fan of Rossi than the obvious that is.He's entertaining and has a pretty good record.
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But i think there is a HUUUGE difference in Rossi's head compared to Melandri's.

Rossi is an investment for the company who hires him.There is proof that he delivers,from history.Giving Rossi parts or behavour of the bike he asks for has been a good idea and almost a guarantee that he will deliver good results.



Melandri was clearly the #2 in the team with Stoner and it was a different situation with Stoner winning and so on.



As the obvious #1 rider I think Rossi was hired to change the Ducati,it was expected that he would ask for changes.It's also probarbly expected that he asks for exactly the right things and then delivers.



But sure,I can understand Melandri is kind of pissed as he more or less waisted a year at Ducati,even if he got help to turn things around or not.
 
That would be a nightmare haha.

Rossi would suck...and it would make stoner look like a God
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I suspect all of next year's motogp riders are on holidays and marco is the only rider around to make any comments. He was quoted on gpone only a few days ago as saying rossi was much more talented than him and hence more likely to resolve any problems the ducati might have.
 
michaelm said:
I suspect all of next year's motogp riders are on holidays and marco is the only rider around to make any comments. He was quoted on gpone only a few days ago as saying rossi was much more talented than him and hence more likely to resolve any problems the ducati might have.
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Theres no doubt Rossi, JB and the gang can make the Duc not only a championship bike but a bike rider's after rossi will be able to ride and make there baby. Big queston for me is, will ducati listen and spend the money needed?
 
Look, Ducati can't afford to make Rossi look bad. When he starts 2011 he will be in good health and Rossi has the ear of the media and Ducati know this. Kropotkin said it best on his site.....It's going to be a long winter in Bologna. Give Rossi and Ducati a chance, if they sort the front end, you will not only see Rossi fighting for wins, you could possibly see Hayden running blocker for him with some podiums and possibly Ducati could fight for a manufactures championship????
 
L8Braker said:
Look, Ducati can't afford to make Rossi look bad. When he starts 2011 he will be in good health and Rossi has the ear of the media and Ducati know this. Kropotkin said it best on his site.....It's going to be a long winter in Bologna. Give Rossi and Ducati a chance, if they sort the front end, you will not only see Rossi fighting for wins, you could possibly see Hayden running blocker for him with some podiums and possibly Ducati could fight for a manufactures championship????
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I agree.
 
Tom said:
No i agree to an extent. I think if they started a season now with the bike unchanged, Nicky's experience and agressive style would help him stay close or possible ahead of Rossi for at least some time. But i don't think any of us really think Ducati wont change the bike to suit Rossi.



Thinking about Melandri's comments and the problems the Ducati bike obviously has, it's easy to critisize Ducati for questioning their riders feedback and being stubborn, but getting Rossi on board is not just a big game of Italian pride and marketting. Now they have recruited a rider and team who's feedback who is not doubted, and they are in a position to alter their working methods and design philosophy to make a bike that many riders can get on with. They are securing their long term future as a competative team in motogp, beyond Rossi. The same thing happened at Yamaha
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sure i totally agree ! like i said i expect him to be a force! it goes without saying that rossi on a ducati is not just a big pr thing but also about making the ducati a better bike with the help of argubly the best guy in the world for the job (i'm sure every sensible person would agree on that )





lets see how much the ducati will be as rossi likes it to be and how well nicky will cope with that





nickys not a 2nd rate rider ,given the right circumstances he does stand a chance against rossi.hes a world champ.that still counts something in my book!
 
cliché guevara said:
sure i totally agree ! like i said i expect him to be a force! it goes without saying that rossi on a ducati is not just a big pr thing but also about making the ducati a better bike with the help of argubly the best guy in the world for the job (i'm sure every sensible person would agree on that )





lets see how much the ducati will be as rossi likes it to be and how well nicky will cope with that





nickys not a 2nd rate rider ,given the right circumstances he does stand a chance against rossi.hes a world champ.that still counts something in my book!
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Thats as bad as saying "what if"
 
Bunyip said:
What if Rossi really can,t get to grips with the Ducati.........................



Some say Rossi and Melandri have similar styles and here is Melandri predicting no good fortune for Vale



Whether that would be successful is another matter altogether, Melandri noted. "I don't know whether he will manage to change the situation," Melandri told Motosprint, "but he has the means to do it. I'm not convinced that he will succeed, however."



http://motomatters.com/news/2010/11/18/marco_melandri_i_had_the_same_problems_a.html



To Haydens credit, he never gave up, and after an awful 2009, has managed to largely get his head around the bike. Does that mean Hayden has 12 months head start on Rossi??
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Thats exactly what I thought!



I (not much of a good prophet) think rossi will need year 1 to get the duc under control...and im quite aware that the first test is not all we have seen...of course the next test will see him doing quicker times. but I think that in year one a lot of people might be surprised by how the GOAT is NOT able to cope with that bike at once...



but I really think there is a chance that (and I say this as a quite onjective point without hating or loving rossi) he might surprise exactly those people in 2012 when the real bikes come back and he might be champion again...



dont you think guys?
 
PASSI said:
Thats exactly what I thought!



I (not much of a good prophet) think rossi will need year 1 to get the duc under control...and im quite aware that the first test is not all we have seen...of course the next test will see him doing quicker times. but I think that in year one a lot of people might be surprised by how the GOAT is NOT able to cope with that bike at once...



but I really think there is a chance that (and I say this as a quite onjective point without hating or loving rossi) he might surprise exactly those people in 2012 when the real bikes come back and he might be champion again...



dont you think guys?
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Im not expecting Rossi to win the championship next year, I dont think Ducati will be willing to spend as much on the 800 bike that it will need to get Rossi there in his first season. Top 3 i reckon the winner being Lorenzo or pedrosa. 2012 on the new bike will be Rossis come back year.
 
Anyone who thinks Hayden is going to outscore Rossi in points next year is crazy to say the least. Hayden is the most overrated MotoGP rider in history, just my opinion. And besides you really think Ducati wants Hayden to be in front of their countryman? Not gonna happen. Hayden is just there to sell Ducati bikes, that's it..... and I'll give him credit for being good at that, and only that. Hayden is at the very bottom list of riders if I was to rate the MotoGP grid.
 
SuperShinya56 said:
Anyone who thinks Hayden is going to outscore Rossi in points next year is crazy to say the least. Hayden is the most overrated MotoGP rider in history, just my opinion. And besides you really think Ducati wants Hayden to be in front of their countryman? Not gonna happen. Hayden is just there to sell Ducati bikes, that's it..... and I'll give him credit for being good at that, and only that. Hayden is at the very bottom list of riders if I was to rate the MotoGP grid.
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This is where most of us here rate you, so I guess it's easy for you to say that.
 
SprogTheDog said:
Could we perhaps give the bloke a chance?

Rossi has done the Valencia test. Thats it.

Could we just see how much he will improve over the coming tests before everyone gets too negative and writes his career off?

This is Valentino Rossi we're talking about. Does anyone seriously think after all that he's achieved, he isn't capable of getting his head round that Ducati?

And all due respect to Marco Melandri, but I dont think he's qualified to make comments. He's hardly on a level pegging to Rossi.

You doubters will eat your words. Rossi will come good, and sooner than you think.

No, Nicky will not score more points than him in 2011.
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Marco is NOT Valentino. So even though he was slow at OH MY GOSH a test not a qualifier for a race, he still has time to work on the bike and what can be done to make it more for Vale than that of Nicky. I find it funny how he makes a comparison especially now since he isn't even in GP anymore so I wonder if it was really the bike or in Melandri's head? I think Nicky will benefit from Rossi's Doctoresque diagnosis of the bike since he is the lead on develppment now nto any of the other riders. Those other riders had better look to be fast quick on the bike cause that is most likely what they are going to have for next year all be it a few things here and there different for parts. This stuff is all just fodder for the papers. I think we all know Vale is a badass and will have a good chance of winning races and maybe even the title next year. Especially if he is healthy and has the bike sorted. Which I think that is why they had a test right?
 
Marco Marco Marco!!



Once upon a time not so long ago when he was riding for my fav manufacturer i thought he was back in style after losing his marbles trying to ride the big red monster but what he said to Capi on stage earleir this season confirmed the suspicions that the little iti has lost it!!



I seem to recall both he & Max Biaggi saying exactly the same stuff when Vale left Honds for Yamaha in 2004.



I would say all things being equal that there are a good handful of gys who are capable of beating Rossi at any given rack on any given Sunday -



Casey Stoner

Dani Pedrosa

Jorge Lorenzo

Ben Spies

Nicky Hayden

Andrea Dovisiozo

Possibly DePuniet - He is undeniably the most underrated rider (much the same as SS56 is full of BS poster on Powerslide
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Its all the other little bits that when they fall into place i just think Rossi still has the edge on all of em, although its getting tighter & tighter.



Just wait till Iannone gets into GP's.
 
johnnyvvc said:
Marco Marco Marco!!



Once upon a time not so long ago when he was riding for my fav manufacturer i thought he was back in style after losing his marbles trying to ride the big red monster but what he said to Capi on stage earleir this season confirmed the suspicions that the little iti has lost it!!



I seem to recall both he & Max Biaggi saying exactly the same stuff when Vale left Honds for Yamaha in 2004.



I would say all things being equal that there are a good handful of gys who are capable of beating Rossi at any given rack on any given Sunday -



Casey Stoner

Dani Pedrosa

Jorge Lorenzo

Ben Spies

Nicky Hayden

Andrea Dovisiozo

Possibly DePuniet - He is undeniably the most underrated rider (much the same as SS56 is full of BS poster on Powerslide
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Its all the other little bits that when they fall into place i just think Rossi still has the edge on all of em, although its getting tighter & tighter.



Just wait till Iannone gets into GP's.
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I can,t wait either.

I love watching this fellow race. To me, he looks like the next great Italian to follow Rossi. Forget about mad Simoncelli and Dovizioso
 
SuperShinya56 said:
Anyone who thinks Hayden is going to outscore Rossi in points next year is crazy to say the least. Hayden is the most overrated MotoGP rider in history, just my opinion. And besides you really think Ducati wants Hayden to be in front of their countryman? Not gonna happen. Hayden is just there to sell Ducati bikes, that's it..... and I'll give him credit for being good at that, and only that. Hayden is at the very bottom list of riders if I was to rate the MotoGP grid.
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...and you are...?



pull the finger out of your ... kid!



hayden is a figh.....well...forget it...sensless to reply to that...everyone else here seems to know...and you wouldnt get the point.





personally I even see 4 riders in front of rossi in 2011 (lorenzo, spies, peddles, stoner)...



we'll see...
 
The biggest problem Rossi faces is time. He is fully capable of fixing the problems as are many of the riders on the grid. Rossi's big card is that he has the influence to do it. Others are questioned on the quality of the feedback but not Rossi and this is why he can get it done. My concern is he won't have the time. He has 2 more outings to get the job done and that is just not enough time. I suspect by midway through the season they will be running the 2012 chassis in preparation for 2012 and an all out assault for Rossi's final season. I bet right here and now he leaves as WC in 2012.
 
Bunyip said:
What if Rossi really can,t get to grips with the Ducati.........................



Some say Rossi and Melandri have similar styles and here is Melandri predicting no good fortune for Vale



Whether that would be successful is another matter altogether, Melandri noted. "I don't know whether he will manage to change the situation," Melandri told Motosprint, "but he has the means to do it. I'm not convinced that he will succeed, however."



http://motomatters.com/news/2010/11/18/marco_melandri_i_had_the_same_problems_a.html



To Haydens credit, he never gave up, and after an awful 2009, has managed to largely get his head around the bike. Does that mean Hayden has 12 months head start on Rossi??
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put your money where your ....... mouth is.
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