"Greatest" MotoGP Champion of all time

JPSLotus · Jul 5, 2016

No surprise Crash.net would actually put something up like this. Of even less surprise is Rossi is leading the way as would be expected, confirming the general ignorance of the majority of the GP fanbase.

MotoGP News - Who's the greatest MotoGP champion of all time?

What I find simply appalling is how little votes some of those names on the list have received. I wouldn't expect any of them to garner as many as Rossi, it being a subjective poll and all. But to see Lawson, Rainey, and Roberts Sr. garner so little is mildly disturbing. I'm a bit surprised at Stoner slotting in behind Rossi. It continues the trend of him becoming more favorable in retirement than he ever was when he was riding.

Now there's no real way to definitively say who the "greatest" GP champion of them all is. However I do feel confident enough to say persuasive cases can be made for certain riders. I also feel confident enough to say a strongly persuasive case can be made against the current front runner, Valentino Rossi who while immensely talented, simply cannot reasonably said to be the best for a plethora of reasons.

povol · Jul 5, 2016

All i know is when they shared the same track, Stoner owned Rossi, spending 70% of that time on inferior machinery. Even more compelling is Lorenzo, who has dominated Rossi in the time they have shared the same track while spending roughly 80% of that time on the same machinery. If you take away the year Rossi had a tire advantage, Lorenzo's dominance on the same machinery is more pronounced. It doesnt take a leap of faith to come to the conclusion that those 2 riders are/were better than Rossi.

evo9 · Jul 5, 2016

povol said:
All i know is when they shared the same track, Stoner owned Rossi, spending 70% of that time on inferior machinery. Even more compelling is Lorenzo, who has dominated Rossi in the time they have shared the same track while spending roughly 80% of that time on the same machinery. If you take away the year Rossi had a tire advantage, Lorenzo's dominance on the same machinery is more pronounced. It doesnt take a leap of faith to come to the conclusion that those 2 riders are/were better than Rossi.

To follow upon that....... While he is having a renaissance courtesy of Lorenzo's data this year. Marc on a handicap Honda is keeping him in checked.

Richy56 · Jul 5, 2016

povol said:
All i know is when they shared the same track, Stoner owned Rossi, spending 70% of that time on inferior machinery. Even more compelling is Lorenzo, who has dominated Rossi in the time they have shared the same track while spending roughly 80% of that time on the same machinery. If you take away the year Rossi had a tire advantage, Lorenzo's dominance on the same machinery is more pronounced. It doesnt take a leap of faith to come to the conclusion that those 2 riders are/were better than Rossi.

" MotoGP" then in terms of talent for me Lorenzo cos he has beaten stoner, Rossi and Marquez.

Popularity, then Rossi hands down

AntG · Jul 6, 2016

Mike the Bike.

Won on pretty much every bike he raced, won on roads and short circuits, came back with a dodgy leg and beat the top Brits at Mallory Park at a time when we were still producing top class talent.

J4rn0 · Jul 6, 2016

povol said:
All i know is when they shared the same track, Stoner owned Rossi, spending 70% of that time on inferior machinery. Even more compelling is Lorenzo, who has dominated Rossi in the time they have shared the same track while spending roughly 80% of that time on the same machinery. If you take away the year Rossi had a tire advantage, Lorenzo's dominance on the same machinery is more pronounced. It doesnt take a leap of faith to come to the conclusion that those 2 riders are/were better than Rossi.

That's all you know, you say -- fair enough.

It follows that other people may know more, or in a more discerning way.
Certainly your idea of "owning" seems heavily biased. Neither Stoner nor Lorenzo would ever claim they "owned" Rossi. They fought him on the track and they certainly have no love lost on him, but they surely don't dismiss him like that... They know better.

BarryMachine · Jul 6, 2016

J4rn0 said:
That's all you know, you say -- fair enough.
It follows that other people may know more, or in a more discerning way.
Certainly your idea of "owning" seems heavily biased. Neither Stoner nor Lorenzo would ever claim they "owned" Rossi. They fought him on the track and they certainly have no love lost on him, but they surely don't dismiss him like that... They know better.

No ..... they "owned rossi" ........ as does Marquez ........

povol · Jul 6, 2016

J4rn0 said:
That's all you know, you say -- fair enough.
It follows that other people may know more, or in a more discerning way.
Certainly your idea of "owning" seems heavily biased. Neither Stoner nor Lorenzo would ever claim they "owned" Rossi. They fought him on the track and they certainly have no love lost on him, but they surely don't dismiss him like that... They know better.

How bad do the beatings have to be before you can declare someone as your ......

p4p1 · Jul 6, 2016

Pedrosa has more wins since the two have been racing together as well, no titles but the other 3 have Pedrosa well covered in race wins.

BarryMachine · Jul 6, 2016

p4p1 said:
Pedrosa has more wins since the two have been racing together as well, no titles but the other 3 have Pedrosa well covered in race wins.

You gotta wonder where the rossi myth comes from ....:unsure:

povol · Jul 6, 2016

p4p1 said:
Pedrosa has more wins since the two have been racing together as well, no titles but the other 3 have Pedrosa well covered in race wins.

If you are talking about Rossi i dont think so. Probably closer than some might think though

p4p1 · Jul 6, 2016

povol said:
If you are talking about Rossi i dont think so. Probably closer than some might think though

I stand corrected since 2006 - Pedrosa 28 wins Rossi 35 wins not sure why I thought I had read that Pedrosa had more wins.

birdman · Jul 6, 2016

J4rn0 said:
That's all you know, you say -- fair enough.
It follows that other people may know more, or in a more discerning way.
Certainly your idea of "owning" seems heavily biased. Neither Stoner nor Lorenzo would ever claim they "owned" Rossi. They fought him on the track and they certainly have no love lost on him, but they surely don't dismiss him like that... They know better.

Too true. I clearly remember in one exchange Stoner was particularly concerned with the state of Rossi's sore shoulder. Surely it was genuine, he wouldn't dismiss him like that...............

J4rn0 · Jul 7, 2016

birdman said:
Too true. I clearly remember in one exchange Stoner was particularly concerned with the state of Rossi's sore shoulder. Surely it was genuine, he wouldn't dismiss him like that...............

The riders compete fiercely and can use harsh words, but deep down they have respect for each other and never boast or gloat because they know the reality. You find plenty of statements on record in which Rossi, Marquez, Stoner, Lorenzo recognize each other's strength. This is something fanboys and haters sorely lack, especially on the internet where words are cheap.

yamfan · Jul 7, 2016

J4rn0 said:
The riders compete fiercely and can use harsh words, but deep down they have respect for each other and never boast or gloat because they know the reality. You find plenty of statements on record in which Rossi, Marquez, Stoner, Lorenzo recognize each other's strength. This is something fanboys and haters sorely lack, especially on the internet where words are cheap.

Good point matey. Often riders words are lost in translation when English is not their first language. These words are jumped upon by press and fanboys and instantly proclaimed as gloating or bragging/arrogance.
These riders are under incredible pressure and have a microphone shoved in their faces at sometimes inopportune moments. The gutter press take any advantage to stir up a so called story.

birdman · Jul 7, 2016

And so a new era of respect was born, and may it last many moons, or at least until Australia where Marquez will once again make Rossi his bit........oh wait sorry make respect for each other and all living things

povol · Jul 7, 2016

p4p1 said:
I stand corrected since 2006 - Pedrosa 28 wins Rossi 35 wins not sure why I thought I had read that Pedrosa had more wins.

If you look at the numbers since 2009, no made to order tires, and everyone on spec rubber, Pedrosa does have more wins than Rossi - 22-18. Rossi does have a title in that time frame so he gets the nod. The more you dig, more evidence is unearthed that shows Rossi, although a great rider and one of the all time greats, is by no means the undisputed greatest of all time. If im starting a race team in 2010 and money is not an issue, Stoner would be my first choice by a country mile, then Lorenzo, then Rossi. If money is an issue, i choose Rossi hands down. Fast forward to 2014, same scenario, I would probably blow my brains out fretting over who to pick first between Stoner or Marquez, to me, the two most talented riders i have ever seen.

Keshav · Jul 7, 2016

J4rn0 said:
That's all you know, you say -- fair enough.
It follows that other people may know more, or in a more discerning way.
Certainly your idea of "owning" seems heavily biased. Neither Stoner nor Lorenzo would ever claim they "owned" Rossi. They fought him on the track and they certainly have no love lost on him, but they surely don't dismiss him like that... They know better.

You know I really enjoy your posts, bias and all; but when you start in with that patronizing cazzate about how you "know more" or are more "discerning" - it's just a more polite way of expressing the same crap as Moto VD; ie... it's different for Rossi. The objective facts speak for themselves and really, whatever you claim to "know" you haven't shared yet and as to discerning, pffft.... There's plenty of us here who've been following this sport for as long as you and with equal "discernment". Perhaps you need to focus some of your discernment on yourself and turn down your own bias a few notches.

povol · Jul 7, 2016

Keshav said:
You know I really enjoy your posts, bias and all; but when you start in with that patronizing cazzate about how you "know more" or are more "discerning" - it's just a more polite way of expressing the same crap as Moto VD; ie... it's different for Rossi. The objective facts speak for themselves and really, whatever you claim to "know" you haven't shared yet and as to discerning, pffft.... There's plenty of us here who've been following this sport for as long as you and with equal "discernment". Perhaps you need to focus some of your discernment on yourself and turn down your own bias a few notches.

Doesnt bother me in the slightest because when one starts his defense with an insult, it means he has nothing to counter the original statement. By doing so, he admits that Stoner and Lorenzo are superior riders.

#22 · Jul 7, 2016

Keshav said:
You know I really enjoy your posts, bias and all; but when you start in with that patronizing cazzate about how you "know more" or are more "discerning" - it's just a more polite way of expressing the same crap as Moto VD; ie... it's different for Rossi. The objective facts speak for themselves and really, whatever you claim to "know" you haven't shared yet and as to discerning, pffft.... There's plenty of us here who've been following this sport for as long as you and with equal "discernment". Perhaps you need to focus some of your discernment on yourself and turn down your own bias a few notches.

Exactly why I have his posts hidden. He is so condescending and makes out he knows more than everyone on here combined about MotoGP.

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