Fans Sportsmanship at Races

My initial reaction may be a cheer if a rider I don't like goes down. But in a violent crash it turns immediately to the safety of the rider. I would never want to see harm done to any motorcyclist let alone gp riders, yes including Casey. I do laugh when they run a corner and fall down trying to get back on track. Oh except pedders because he isn't a real person anyway. He's a robot.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jul 29 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Answer the question mister!
Dear sir, have you been drinking? It is your birthday afterall.

Ah, Burks, I sill remember you trying to get yourself together on the grass at the back of Anthony's house. I guess the chronic and tequila don't mix, eh? Hahaha

its a "SPORT"
... same as if your fave Footy teams biggest comp screwed up...you'd cheer it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jul 29 2009, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Superbly put. I have to agree to some extent about the Rossi mob mentality, although I know I will get shot down in flames for it. But then I'm a bike race fan first, a hero worshipper never.

And if you were trackside of the fences, Craig's spot on. You're a knob!
its like treading on sacred ground imo. you should never go on the track until all the bikes are back in the garage and your indicated by a marshal that you can cross

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Craig3089 @ Jul 29 2009, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Never nice to see anyone crash, unless its in a humourous way such as dani's practise start gaffe at phillip island.
OK, I'll admit to pissing myself laughing at that one.

Nothing against Dani, but that one was so weird I couldn't help myself.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jul 29 2009, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Superbly put. I have to agree to some extent about the Rossi mob mentality, although I know I will get shot down in flames for it. But then I'm a bike race fan first, a hero worshipper never.

And if you were trackside of the fences, Craig's spot on. You're a knob!
Mob mentality sounds about right. I'm a big fan of Vale, but like you a bike fan above all, and I wouldn't consider some of these people to be 'fans' at all. I never really had a problem with them until the Casey incident at the DOC, after which they seem to have gotten worse - he even got a load of abuse after his crash on Saturday this year. I know there's the whole rivalry thing with the Aussies, and Casey comes across as a bit of a mardy ...... at times, but I can't understand why anyone would want to boo him.

I've only booed one rider in recent history. Kenan Sofouglu at Miller motorsports when he barged his way past Laverty on the last lap to take the win. I wouldn't have minded the pass that much but for the fact it came from a guy who bitched and moaned last year about the harsh passes made by Josh Hayes at Portimao.

I wonder how many who laugh or say they will have raced or are involved in racing?

For my way of thinking (decided not to use the IMO for once) to laugh or abuse a rider at the time of a fall is immarure, juvenile and shows the 'fan' (term used loosely) up as not being a true fan of the sport nor realising the true inherent dangers. Personally I even have a problem with booing a rider once they have shown that they are medically ok and have moved to a marshall point for return to pits, but each their own there.

The reason I am solely against it is that I have seen many a rider seriously hurt after what looked an innocous fall, have held their neck braces, guided ambulances and helicopters to places of many a fallen rider, each time with a knot in my stomach not knowing but hoping for a good outcome.

I mave not and will not laugh at a fallen rider as such, certainly some accidents look funny and after the event people may realise that it was indeed funny, but not at the time.


As for the going trackside discussion, it happens at PI as well and personally is bloody dangerous, stupid and needs to be stopped. Pity any poor rider who collides with one of these 'fans' and injures or worse themself or the 'fan'.




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burky @ Jul 29 2009, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Superbly put. I have to agree to some extent about the Rossi mob mentality, although I know I will get shot down in flames for it. But then I'm a bike race fan first, a hero worshipper never.

And if you were trackside of the fences, Craig's spot on. You're a knob!

No shooting down in flames here - totally agree and have been saying the same for a while. Well put.







Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jul 29 2009, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it aint funny either way... they race like this to keep fans happy and what you do laugh at them and throw it back in there face?....dont matter which rider it is you should have some respect for what they do. why would any fan of the sport want a rider to go down? its just 1 less on the grid...and then there is also the cost which is ruinning our sport...when a rider goes down it dont cost just a few $$ to put the machine back on the track.

that wasnt choking it was a rider sliding out cos of weather condition's same for lorenzo and the same almost happend to kalio... hardly anything to laugh at you muppet...


Why not? As long as they don't hurt themselves badly or injured themselves than all is gravy. You're probably the type that shed more than a few tears when Kristy Yamaguchi missed her triple axle, fell on her butt, and lost out on the gold medal or something like that. Well... boo hoo jazkat, .... happens in sports. There can be alot of reasons why one cheer when a rider goes down. Maybe cuz he's the main rival of their favorite rider? Maybe they want the championship points to be tighter? With me..... I just don't like the guy because he seems like he's done squat for charity other than putting a sticker on his rally car. The arrogant guy didn't even acknowledge Calikid and the others who donated loads of money for charity just to get a chance to meet him. Calikid and those guys probably did more for charity than Rossi has.

Back on topic...... as long as no one gets seriously hurt or injured then NO HARM NO FOUL !!

I laugh at things that are funny and having raced motocross and hill climbs. I've had more crashs than I care to remember and broke a fair amount of bones in the process and none of it was fun. Not to mention the money I spent. So when I see a rider in any category of two wheeled racing I feel their pain and only laugh about it later on mabey when talikng it over with friends because I know they are alrite so its not a spitefull laugh but a rejoyceful one. Close calls to me are always funny especially when you experience them yourself

Booing is only warrented if the rider acts the jerk i.e. Kicking out at another rider on track. I've had fights after races thats where the kicking should be done

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 30 2009, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why not? As long as they don't hurt themselves badly or injured themselves than all is gravy. You're probably the type that shed more than a few tears when Kristy Yamaguchi missed her triple axle, fell on her butt, and lost out on the gold medal or something like that. Well... boo hoo jazkat, .... happens in sports. There can be alot of reasons why one cheer when a rider goes down. Maybe cuz he's the main rival of their favorite rider? Maybe they want the championship points to be tighter? With me..... I just don't like the guy because he seems like he's done squat for charity other than putting a sticker on his rally car. The arrogant guy didn't even acknowledge Calikid and the others who donated loads of money for charity just to get a chance to meet him. Calikid and those guys probably did more for charity than Rossi has.

Back on topic...... as long as no one gets seriously hurt or injured then NO HARM NO FOUL !!


Are you saying its ok to woo a rider to crash?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 29 2009, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why not? As long as they don't hurt themselves badly or injured themselves than all is gravy. You're probably the type that shed more than a few tears when Kristy Yamaguchi missed her triple axle, fell on her butt, and lost out on the gold medal or something like that. Well... boo hoo jazkat, .... happens in sports. There can be alot of reasons why one cheer when a rider goes down. Maybe cuz he's the main rival of their favorite rider? Maybe they want the championship points to be tighter? With me..... I just don't like the guy because he seems like he's done squat for charity other than putting a sticker on his rally car. The arrogant guy didn't even acknowledge Calikid and the others who donated loads of money for charity just to get a chance to meet him. Calikid and those guys probably did more for charity than Rossi has.

Back on topic...... as long as no one gets seriously hurt or injured then NO HARM NO FOUL !!


Sorry to say but ------------- nah I won't.

But how can the fan know if the rider is seriously injured or not - are fans medically trained and/or able to determine injury immediately?

So by your definition if the rider is uninjured it is ok to laugh - sorry, but I do feel pity for 'fans' like yourself if they need that type of entertainment?

In the last 12 months I have personally assisted at two incidents where both riders immediately stood up - looked uninjured - until we asked a question or two (I was first on scene as a recovery marshall to one, medical first at the second - I am not medical).

In the first case the guys eyed started to roll back and he became incoherent - all about 2 - 3 minutes after the incident (in Australia they do not have corner recover marshalls at club rounds). We immediately called medical - result was rider in hospital with severe concussion and neck nerve damage for 7 days or so - recovered ok. The crash was a lowside at turn 1 at Oran Park.

The second crash was at the flip-flop at Oran Park - the rider went off heavily but stood up. Medical on scene and rider started to complain of a tingling sensation then realised that his hip/pelvis were sore - he stayed standing. Long story short - that incident occurred around 12 months ago and the rider was released from hospital 7 months later - major leg/pelvic injury, back breaks and contusions.

Many accidents that look minor are in fact major - none is laughable







Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 29 2009, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry to say but ------------- nah I won't.

But how can the fan know if the rider is seriously injured or not - are fans medically trained and/or able to determine injury immediately?

So by your definition if the rider is uninjured it is ok to laugh - sorry, but I do feel pity for 'fans' like yourself if they need that type of entertainment?

In the last 12 months I have personally assisted at two incidents where both riders immediately stood up - looked uninjured - until we asked a question or two (I was first on scene as a recovery marshall to one, medical first at the second - I am not medical).

In the first case the guys eyed started to roll back and he became incoherent - all about 2 - 3 minutes after the incident (in Australia they do not have corner recover marshalls at club rounds). We immediately called medical - result was rider in hospital with severe concussion and neck nerve damage for 7 days or so - recovered ok. The crash was a lowside at turn 1 at Oran Park.

The second crash was at the flip-flop at Oran Park - the rider went off heavily but stood up. Medical on scene and rider started to complain of a tingling sensation then realised that his hip/pelvis were sore - he stayed standing. Long story short - that incident occurred around 12 months ago and the rider was released from hospital 7 months later - major leg/pelvic injury, back breaks and contusions.

Many accidents that look minor are in fact major - none is laughable







Garry


I never said I find humor in someone getting injured. As for me I find no reason to feel sorry or shed a tear when someone loses the bike on a harmless lowside, for goodness sakes that's just part of the game that is motorcycle racing !! It's not like I watch motorcycle racing to see someone crash their bikes and somehow get a thrill out of it... NO. But yeah I find pleasure in Valentino's HARMLESS lowside because I don't like the guy much and it helps Lorenzo's points chase in the championship. Of course if Rossi was seriously injured, it would be a different story. But since nothing happened to him and he's still the same old frugal charity non-helping arrogant ...... then yeah, I'm glad he went for a little asphalt slip n' sliding.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 30 2009, 12:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I never said I find humor in someone getting injured. As for me I find no reason to feel sorry or shed a tear when someone loses the bike on a harmless lowside, for goodness sakes that's just part of the game that is motorcycle racing !! It's not like I watch motorcycle racing to see someone crash their bikes and somehow get a thrill out of it... NO. But yeah I find pleasure in Valentino's HARMLESS lowside because I don't like the guy much and it helps Lorenzo's points chase in the championship. Of course if Rossi was seriously injured, it would be a different story. But since nothing happened to him and he's still the same old frugal charity non-helping arrogant ...... then yeah, I'm glad he went for a little asphalt slip n' sliding.


But, how do you know he wasn't injured - is it because he got up and continued riding?

And define a harmless lowside?

So, when do you find it funny - and when is in terms of the time at the incident?

Is it funny immediately or a few seconds after when the rider gets up to walk away - or days later when there is no bad news - when?




Garry

Bloody double posts.

No one cheered where I was, in fact there was a collective groan, not much quieter than when Rossi fell. Probably because real race fans want to see close racing and Lorenzo is one of the best bets to push Rossi.
There was a fair bit of cheering for Dovi too, especially for him to hang on at the end, I think I was the only one cheering for Randy though.

I dont agree about the 'rossi mob' situation. Surely if people like watching moto gp cos rossi is in it, then its a good thing, and we shouldnt slag them off for some sort of 'glory supporting'.

it gets to the point now where you have to choose some underdog/reletively unknown person to support, else your not a 'true fan'. its a load of bollocks.

back to the topic, i dont agree with laughing at people crashing, but also think these guys know what the risks are and get paid a .... load of money to do it, so we shouldnt pity them either. however laughing at someone suffering, beit there own fault or not is not clever.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bimblebucket @ Jul 30 2009, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dont agree about the 'rossi mob' situation. Surely if people like watching moto gp cos rossi is in it, then its a good thing, and we shouldnt slag them off for some sort of 'glory supporting'.

it gets to the point now where you have to choose some underdog/reletively unknown person to support, else your not a 'true fan'. its a load of bollocks.

back to the topic, i dont agree with laughing at people crashing, but also think these guys know what the risks are and get paid a .... load of money to do it, so we shouldnt pity them either. however laughing at someone suffering, beit there own fault or not is not clever.
Your right mate and it is bollock's. Some here think there in some sort of moral high ground because they support a loser. They call rossi fans glory hunters but forget his fans sticking by him for the 2 years he didnt win, 3 years if you have supported him for as long as i have. these people seem to go to races not to watch the race but to stand around judging fans. I couldn't give a .... who supports who, im to busy enjoying the racing and supporting my fav riders. Dont let them piss you off mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 29 2009, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you saying its ok to woo a rider to crash?

Y'know with all the different rear-view avatars you've been sporting
- you might want to change your forum name to ...-Man.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 29 2009, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry to say but ------------- nah I won't.

But how can the fan know if the rider is seriously injured or not - are fans medically trained and/or able to determine injury immediately?

So by your definition if the rider is uninjured it is ok to laugh - sorry, but I do feel pity for 'fans' like yourself if they need that type of entertainment?

In the last 12 months I have personally assisted at two incidents where both riders immediately stood up - looked uninjured - until we asked a question or two (I was first on scene as a recovery marshall to one, medical first at the second - I am not medical).

In the first case the guys eyed started to roll back and he became incoherent - all about 2 - 3 minutes after the incident (in Australia they do not have corner recover marshalls at club rounds). We immediately called medical - result was rider in hospital with severe concussion and neck nerve damage for 7 days or so - recovered ok. The crash was a lowside at turn 1 at Oran Park.

The second crash was at the flip-flop at Oran Park - the rider went off heavily but stood up. Medical on scene and rider started to complain of a tingling sensation then realised that his hip/pelvis were sore - he stayed standing. Long story short - that incident occurred around 12 months ago and the rider was released from hospital 7 months later - major leg/pelvic injury, back breaks and contusions.

Many accidents that look minor are in fact major - none is laughable

Garry

+ 1 When I used to club race and would see someone fall in front of me I never thought:
Okay! One more position for me. It was always, Jesus, hope he's alright. Even my worst
enemies. (Not that I had any). And slow low-sides are frequently where people get the
worst injuries. I've broke collar bones, and fractured wrists and had nasty concussions
in slow turn get-offs. At Mid-Ohio I was hit by another going into turn one at well over
100 MPH and walked away with bruised ribs and some minor friction burn. Actually . . .
we put the bike back together and finished 17th out of 38 teams. It was an endurance race.

I've found the Donington park crowd to be less respectful than i would hope every time i've been. I was at starky's this year and there were chears when Lorenzo crashed, taunting Stoner when he was at the back and of course the usual idiotic track invasion. Just a general lack of respect. I understand that fans are passionate about their riders doing well relative to the rivals but i think respect and appreciation of all the riders is a must.