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Factory 2-MotoGP's newest category

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Read it and weep:


 


http://motomatters.com/news/2014/03/06/motogp_rule_change_imminent_intermediate.html#comments


 


.... Honda, and .... their "spirit of the rules" ......... MotoGP has just become the ultimate farce. 


 


Edit: for anyone who doesn't want to read the article, here is the short version. Ducati is now part of the "Factory 2" class (and its only member). They will race under "open" rules, but if the team does too well (i.e., end up on the podium), Dorna will impose penalties on them to limit their performance.
 
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Nice job Ezzy :( punish teams for doing well


 


Lets say duc's are as bad as last year or worse, we have wacky races GP only a handful of finishers and a duc wins, they are more screwed than ever.....
 
Dorna's rolling rulebook continues.  Yet peeps still think this .... is legit.  Arbitrary rules on the fly.

 

Will there be steps on the podium?

 

1. Factory

2. Factory2

3. Open1

4. Production Racers

5. Open2 

 

So if Dovi or Cal push and arrive on the podium, or say they arrive on the podium through attrition, they will be rewarded with a penalty.  Dorna is also considering other performance adjustment penalties as follows: if Marc Marquez arrives on the podium in either 2 or 3rd, he will be penalized by having to start from pole position the following race. If he misses the podium at any time during the season, he will be penalized with an additional 25 championship points. In other news, Dorna is considering a new category for 100lb and under riders.  Its seen as a performance adjustment for riders with small arms.  Pedro is the odds on favorite to win this category and be the 2014 100lbs and under category World Championship; however, and exception waiver will be immediately issued to exclude Marc Marquez who is under 100lbs and or small arms, the waiver being dubbed the Small-Arms Rookie Exception rule.  The upside to such categories is that Nicky Hayden is the odds on favorite to be the 2014 Production Race World Champion.  Not quite as prestigious as Alex Espargaro's two CRT World Championships, but the trophy will feature a nice commemorative plaque engraved with the moniker "Insider".
 
what a ....... load of ........ in my eyes, and im guessing a lot of other punters, that the open rules were looking quite good to even out the playing field a litle bit. ...... whinging honda.
 
I hardly think we can call what MotoGP operates under a rule book. More like a collection of thought bubbles & brain farts which are continually finessed for our benefit, you know, to make MotoGP more entertaining.


 


Thanks Dorna, I truly appreciate your undying effort to continually improve the sport I have followed for 25 years, because it was a shambles before you took over. 
 
I agree with pretty much everyone else here. Everyone is supposed to be going to open class in the end anyway.


Why penalise anyone who uses the regulations to be successful? Honda & Yamaha factory teams could have also used the option.


They chose not to. Their friggin bad luck as far as I'm concerned. Did Ezy write this new class into the Regulations while he was on the .......?


Ducati would have every right to feel pissed off. They chose the open class to commit to with rules already in place when they made their decision.


How the .... can they change the rules after the decision deadline?
 
What happens if it is a wet race? Do the rules get thrown out the window? No way you can penalize a team for a podium or win in the wet.
 
I'd like to applaud Dorna's embrace of transparency, which is the net unintended effect of recognizing a 3rd category to be known as Factory 2.  Some of us knew already there were 3 tiers/categories within MotoGP; Dorna just acknowledged what some of us have been pointing out.  Kudos to Dorna.  When the CRT existed along with factory and satellite entries, there were 3 plus tiers, and today there are actually more, which I hope Dorna acknowledge in the coming days. Baby steps. Dorna need to acknowledge the production racer category!  Isnt this what is effectively the logical inference of identifying a Factory 2 category as--a uniquely distinct type within the Open class?!  (Yes, think about this and let it sink in.) Oh let me spell it out.  By distinguishing that Ducati is not a true open-class (even though its submitting itself to the open class formula) then this directly supposes that the production racer is a truer open-class entry.  Well actually the production based entries with their prototype chassis are the truest open class entries, for example the Avintia Racing or Ioda Racing teams, where in contrast the production racer is coming directly from a factory and is not quite an amalgamation of an independent team mounting a production derived engine into a third party produced chassis; therefore the production racer is entirely another class/type of entry.

 

This actually helps the casual fan understand the reality of the competition parity on the field (God knows it won't do much for those still with their heads up their ... regarding the true nature of parity, politics, and legitimimacy of this sport). When the lights go out and the race commences, 99% of the viewing public will consider it an authentic contest (surely what Dorna is counting on), hell even those that should know better will tow the line. Its amazing to see so many reactions on other sites; Im amused and miffed at seeing the reactions on Kropo's site, as if this is something new that has transpired where many are expressing their objection to MotoGP as a farce of ........ arbitrary rules and 11th hour performance leveling and tinkering.  

 

MotoGP has been a farce for a long time with many indications of power politics directly influencing the on track outcomes; but many denunciations have been downplayed and denied.  Just conspiracy theory, right?  Seems like the reaction (75+ comments so far) is an indication that Dorna have done a good job of presenting the sport as authentic. Perhaps Im mistaken, but why else would there be such a reaction to the recurring MO by the power players and GP officials for several years, has it gone undetected?  The theme of the reaction is: this is a ........ thing MotoGP is doing.  Uhm, newsflash, its been ........ for a while now.  Where were these people, along with journalists and bloggers, expert tweeters and insiders when GP had tiers of tires (perhaps the greatest influence on outcomes) with the SNS, or changing formula for ........ claims of safety, and how about the subtle plot and influence to introduce limits on tires, engines, and fuel limit controls favoring one factory, and what about the freezing of prototype development (in a prototype option no less) via engine sealing?  Yet experts were sure to tell us Dorna was simply reacting to the factories wish to develop an ECU while they were effectively halting actual prototype development.  Thats some astonishing fuzzy logic the propaganda machine is tasked to feed us.  

 

Where were these experts and lovers of the spirit of the rules when sudden changes were being made toward an 11th hour single-tire supplier, changes to the spec tire, and sudden evaporations of a rookie rule?  Oh yeah, that rookie rule that was eliminated in the same crisis fashion as the imminent 3rd category alteration to the rulebook we see today!  Those towing the Dorna lies saying previous adjustments to the rules were all done on the up and up and had nothing to do with politics, often times by categorizing the denunciations as conspiracy theory while attempting to promote the official version that it was done for______(insert Carmelos explanation here).   Reminds me of his I am calm comment, which many still dont believe had anything to do with Ezpeletas machinates and backroom deals to act as an agent for VR to be signed by Yamaha.  Not even the revelation that Dorna was subsidizing his salary are some willing to accept this sport is all but fixing minor details of competition.  Where was Dornas integrity when for two years Aprillia fielded a defacto factory team?   And now, making the distinction of a 3rd category within a categorywithin a categorywithin a category, breathtaking. Will this entry appear as a 5th machine on the podium?  It deserves to be, given that the precedent had been set of the first CRT finisher in parc ferme.  It should also include the first Factory 2.0 finisher as well, which this year sounds like a lock to be a Ducati.  Wellunless the Forward Racing (FTR or whatever they are calling it today) entry is classified along with the Factory 2.0, which of course will be strange as the Tech3 satellite is more apropos to be called a Factory 2nd tier version of a factory entry.  Confusing?  Not really.  Its all part of the plan.

 
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Indeed.  I only wish I had your capacity for exquisitely succinct and concise description and brevity of the quagmire that is Dorna. We've been reading Dorna is desperate to wrestle control away from Honda.  This latest nod as a manifestation of appeasement by altering the rules seems better described as Dorna intends to suck HRC ..... at the slightest protest to "the spirit of the rules".  
 
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Is there a "Pocket Bike Rule".  Where you bring your pocket bike to race?


Today, no. But who knows what tomorrow may bring?
 
No news of this on official MotoGP site. Is this even for real? If so, then I guess my predictions are blown out of the water for this season....


 


This is even dumber than when they added CRT's to the so called 'Premier class of motorcycle racing'
 
It just goes to show that HRC is worried that they will get beat this year.  


The field has never been equal....if it was then all riders would be on the same bike and tires....so stop complaining, things will never or have never been equal.....,


IF this new rule is ratified by the factories...including Ducati then they have chosen their own way forward....so we shouldnt ..... about in 1000 word posts, we should just accept it, and hope Ducati beats HRC and Yamaha and others early and often....


 


My question is then what teams / bike qualify for Factory 2 besides Ducati?  


I would think the Honda production racer should qualify as well..
 
892 words. i used word to check. I agree, the RCV100RR or whatever it's called would fall into this category, but it aint going to be anywhere near as fast as the Ducati effort
 
so at the moment I'm a factory rider on power slide is this going to change or am I now a CRT. open class factory 2 or a factory rider still  its so confusing . jesus will the tyres work for me , DAM you HONDA
 
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No news of this on official MotoGP site. Is this even for real? If so, then I guess my predictions are blown out of the water for this season....


 


This is even dumber than when they added CRT's to the so called 'Premier class of motorcycle racing'


 


There's an article about it on motogp.com as of this morning, where Javier Alonso more or less admits the reasoning behind the Factory 2 rule:


 


“As a championship we aim to allow everyone to have the best possible technology, including this type of software, but from talking to the private teams they are not yet set up to be able to use this ‘full software’. Clearly Ducati were not at the same level as Honda and Yamaha last season and what they have done is to look for a way within the rules to improve their grid and race results. We understand that by making some changes they can be closer to the other constructors but we do not want them to have too much of an advantage, as it would be unfair for them to beat the rest of the manufacturers with greater ammunition. So we think the proposal on the table is a good solution.”


 


The part in bold is what gets me. He's basically saying that Ducati found a way to exploit the rules to their advantage (which is what they're supposed to do, and what every good racing team does), and now they're being punished for it. Funny thing is, when Honda was exploiting the 20L fuel restriction (their bikes work with it, Yamaha's machines don't, at least not nearly as well), no one was crying about the "spirit of the rules" or demanding a change.
 
The penalties proposed   are not really penalties at all. Ducati has had reasonable reliability and made it through the season on 6 engines, 9 should be no problem whatsoever. Same with fuel, they made it just fine on 21 L,    22.5 should not be a problem whatsoever. What im confused about, the article on Krops site singles out Ducati as the only team in line to be penalized if they win a race. Why would Forward Yamaha not be under the same regs since they have entered a full factory effort in the production class as well. What advantage does Ducati have that Yamaha doesnt except them running factory colors. I also find it hard to beleive that Yamaha would be one of the ones complaining since they were the one who started the whole " breaking the spirit of the rules". Why didnt they just enter their factory effort in the open as well. This is a result of Dorna's constant ....... meddling with the regs to influence competition. Tire changes a couple of weeks before the start of the season, .... canning CRT's a year after teams started designing and building bikes to compete against that very entity. Making teams choose between Factory and whatever the .... they are calling it now with the knowledge that you would be forced to use a spec ecu that had extremely less sophisticated software, only to announce that the software is going to be overhauled to something MUCH more sophisticated. What we are seeing is the rules package for the future. This is the compromise that Dorna, Honda, and Yamaha have agreed on for the future, they are just making it look like everyone is a winner in the negotiations. The rules for the future will be


 


9 engines = almost  all manufacturers can do that


22.5 L of fuel, pretty much all manufacturers can do that. Plus, Honda can still go forward with the fuel saving technology and run 19L itres if they choose, which would give them a tiny advantage in weight if they can make it work


ECU that has some tinkering built into it so teams can still set up bikes to their liking and Honda and Yamaha can have something to play with.


 


This is probably a set of regs that will work
 

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