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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 14 2008, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's a great move, & a good step to geting rid of ...... pay-per-view television.

Shame we cant get rid of ...... pay-per-view (i.e. TV Licence) BBC......
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 14 2008, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's a great move, & a good step to geting rid of ...... pay-per-view television.

What pay per view?
Eurosport are free. The satelite operators may scramble it, but AFAIK you can get it unscrambeled from some satelites. Go to your satelite/cable provider and complain for locking out free channels. They used to put Eurosport and Dicovery on extra packages here too but not any more. So many got pissed off that they all finally stoped.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 14 2008, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What pay per view?
Eurosport are free. The satelite operators may scramble it, but AFAIK you can get it unscrambeled from some satelites. Go to your satelite/cable provider and complain for locking out free channels. They used to put Eurosport and Dicovery on extra packages here too but not any more. So many got pissed off that they all finally stoped.You can't get it free at all here I don't think, even on freeview you have to pay. The irony.
Apart from British Superbikes there nothing on Eurosport I'd watch anyway. I miss BSB
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 14 2008, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Got to.
sorry but i do resent having to pay a licence fee to the beeb. people are being fored to pay up front for a service they may not want or use and in a free market society thats wrong.
i no i want my cake and eat it
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 14 2008, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sorry but i do resent having to pay a licence fee to the beeb. people are being fored to pay up front for a service they may not want or use and in a free market society thats wrong.
i no i want my cake and eat it
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I was agreeing!! They can have 5 hours of ads around live sport for all I care, as long as it's uninterupted.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 14 2008, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was agreeing!! They can have 5 hours of ads around live sport for all I care, as long as it's uninterupted.
then we both want our cake and eat it
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 14 2008, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can't get it free at all here I don't think, even on freeview you have to pay. The irony.
Apart from British Superbikes there nothing on Eurosport I'd watch anyway. I miss BSB
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WSBK? For me Eurosport is the best sports channel there is, even topping Setanta and Sky Sports. As I have stated before I am absolutly devistated that Eurosport has lost its coverage and as i've stated before if BBC don't change the commentry team i'm going to watch the Motogp.com coverge not the crap that BBC show.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Sep 14 2008, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WSBK?Oh yeah, I really enjoy watching that on the website though, I can't see BSB at all.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 14 2008, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like people who answer their own questions
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I guess I did, and the consequense is more money in the short term, but less coverage, less viewers, less fans, and in the long term that leads to less moeny.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 14 2008, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess I did, and the consequense is more money in the short term, but less coverage, less viewers, less fans, and in the long term that leads to less moeny.You must be joking.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 14 2008, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You must be joking.

Not at all. In a couple of years lots of people will more or less have forgotten MotoGP in countries where they don't show it at all, or randomly show MotoGP only when other sports are not in the way.
Just like you will experince in UK to some degree.
First of all Dorna loose sponsors becuase of less coverage then they will meet even less interest from those random showings with less comercial income from the local broadcasters.
In this move could endanger the whole MotoGP.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 14 2008, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you have confused loss of coverage in your country, with overall less coverage.

Why should coverage increase in those contries that allready have coverage by one or two terrestial broadcasters? Would BBC gain any wathcers but the anoyed Eurosport watchers, if so why?

My guess is that viewr numbers will decrease and if so: Why wouldn't international brands look at the coverage and see that numbers arn't growing , but in fact shrinking, particulary outside MotoGP's main countries and pull out? Eurosport atract because of it's great coverage and because it's wide spread. What could compete with that?
 
Why can't you grasp that terrestrial broadcasters have a bigger audience? They have the biggest audience share, because people (usually) don't have to pay for it or have special equipment. It just sounds like sour grapes on your part now.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 15 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why can't you grasp that terrestrial broadcasters have a bigger audience? They have the biggest audience share, because people (usually) don't have to pay for it or have special equipment. It just sounds like sour grapes on your part now.
Overall this may be true, but why Goatboy can't you grasp, as someone who produces consistently good posts IMO, the second something is marketed for mainstream appeal it becomes diluted, dumbed down and compromised. Invariably all the bike racing fans that I encounter watch Eurosport in preference to the BBC, although I do accept that not everyone has access to the channel as opposed to the BBC. When Sky had WSB in the '90's the viewing figures were far greater than when the BBC siezed upon it early this decade, admittedly this was post Foggy, but even then Eurosport was pulling in more viewers than the regular slot on BBC2. Having championed the series for several years, they then dropped it like a stone in favour of Moto GP, and they've been out of their depth ever since.

This decision by Dorna is based on quantity and not quality, and will not produce as many die hard long term converts to the sport as they'd like to imagine. It is based on superficiality, and despite the fact that Eurosport submitted a higher bid than the BBC which to me illustrates their greater level of long term commitment and devotion to the sport, Dorna opted for the BBC for the reason that you have highlighted - to expand the television audience, and market the product, which will be reduced to little more than a watered down short term fad to 90% of the new audience they attract.

Show me this time next year that the BBC have done a respectable job in their coverage of the 09 season, significantly raising the profile of the sport in the process, and providing the insight and passion that Eurosport do and I'll gladly retract my words. Until then I will continue to insist that the demise of the team that was Ryder, Moody (even if he is a Dr. Niles Crane and Alan Partridge hybrid), Mamola and Spalding is a disaster for any sincere Moto GP aficionado.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 15 2008, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Overall this may be true, but why Goatboy can't you grasp, as someone who produces consistently good posts IMO, the second something is marketed for mainstream appeal it becomes diluted, dumbed down and compromised. Invariably all the bike racing fans that I encounter watch Eurosport in preference to the BBC, although I do accept that not everyone has access to the channel as opposed to the BBC. When Sky had WSB in the '90's the viewing figures were far greater than when the BBC siezed upon it early this decade, admittedly this was post Foggy, but even then Eurosport was pulling in more viewers than the regular slot on BBC2. Having championed the series for several years, they then dropped it like a stone in favour of Moto GP, and they've been out of their depth ever since.

This decision by Dorna is based on quantity and not quality, and will not produce as many die hard long term converts to the sport as they'd like to imagine. It is based on superficiality, and despite the fact that Eurosport submitted a higher bid than the BBC which to me illustrates their greater level of long term commitment and devotion to the sport, Dorna opted for the BBC for the reason that you have highlighted - to expand the television audience, and market the product, which will be reduced to little more than a watered down short term fad to 90% of the new audience they attract.

Show me this time next year that the BBC have done a respectable job in their coverage of the 09 season, significantly raising the profile of the sport in the process, and providing the insight and passion that Eurosport do and I'll gladly retract my words. Until then I will continue to insist that the demise of the team that was Ryder, Moody (even if he is a Dr. Niles Crane and Alan Partridge hybrid), Mamola and Spalding is a disaster for any sincere Moto GP aficionado.

Best post yet !
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Well like I've said, the content & quality of the commentary & build up don't both me. I get any news I want straight off the net, lets face it there are far better features & on occasion far better insight on the very pages of this site.

I just like being able to see the race, that's all, don't care where.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 15 2008, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just like being able to see the race, that's all, don't care where.

Then prepare yourself for a year of condensed highlights where the flyaways are concerned courtesy of Auntie, unless you get up in the middle of the night and watch it on BBCi - and as you pointed out, the new audience that Dorna seeks to attract may not have the necessary equipment to do that.
 

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