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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 13 2008, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What are you sure it's on SpeedTV? I believe NBC is going to show the race live tomorrow.

QUOTE (Noodlerizer @ Mar 4 2008, 02:38 PM)

its a old post i bumped it to post a live stream link for todays indy qualifying.ty
 
Thanks for the links guys,
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we might need them tomorrow. they might be able to move the start time, but I can't see the BBC showing it any earlier and I'm not sure eurosport can change times either.
 
The BBC ...... it up, its not even on BBC2... website says you have to press the red button for the race and thats even when its on time
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Mar 5 2008, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We might have to put up with it soon. There are rumours Dorna want to stop Eurosport showing MotoGP so they can get a larger target audience.

It hasn't been a rumour for about 3 months, deal has been done. Dorna would like Motogp to be on only free to air channels, so in the UK it will only be on the BBC next year. Dorna's theory of trying to reach more people by dropping Eurosport is a strange one. Some countries rely on the coverage, they provide as their local stations don't cover the sport. They also don't realise motorbike racing is a niche market, putting it on free to air isn't going to dramatically increase audiences.

I don't see the harm in letting Eurosport continue to show motogp alongside regional channels as it has done for so many years. Also seems like a kick in the teeth as Eurosport took motogp on when no one wanted it, look at the fan base Eurosport has now!

Looks like Julian has signed with Dorna to do their live feed commentary, no news on Moody yet, could be a possibility of the beeb.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Sep 14 2008, 04:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The BBC ...... it up, its not even on BBC2... website says you have to press the red button for the race and thats even when its on time
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I don't see a problem.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Red R6 07 @ Sep 14 2008, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dorna's theory of trying to reach more people by dropping Eurosport is a strange one.Eurosport gets them what 2 million viewers? Where as free to air channels in key countries & key markets can give upto 20 million+. It makes perfect sense, it gives more people a chance to see the sport, & will draw the more diverse sponsorship. I can't see any broadcaster of any consequence turning it down, 'cept maybe the Americans. However that's why we have Indy & Laguna.

It's a great move, & a good step to geting rid of ...... pay-per-view television.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noodlerizer @ Mar 4 2008, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>SPEED IS SHOWING THIS RACE LIVE DUMBFUCKS! Do some research.......

Actually.....its on NBC..... "dumbfuck"
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 14 2008, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's a great move, & a good step to geting rid of ...... pay-per-view television.

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I got to laugh at that. Do you enjoy watching Suzi Perry trying to suck JT and Edwards off every race weekend? I mean she doesn't know anything about racing, so she has to try and entertain you guys some way.

Yes the strategy may give more people the chance to watch the sport if your respective country shows Motogp, however not all countries do. How is that growing the sport? It actually may alienate some of the fanbase. It will also mean in the short term less people in Europe will be able to watch the sport as some countries rely on what you call the "the ...... pay-per-view".

Where do you think all these fans will come from? By the Beeb having the sole rights will their audience significantly rise? No it won't they will take a chunk of the UK Eurosport base, that's were it ends. The beeb don't have the time nor the funds to grow the fanbase. Do you think showing races on the red button will help when races clash with golf, tennis, rugby, F1, show jumping?

How will it create more diverse sponsorship? Are you serious? Dorna are deluded if they think they can turn Motogp into the money pit that is F1. Motogp isn't mainstream simply fact.... it never will be, two wheels isn't everyone's cup of tea. Sponsorship is hard to come by it's mainly riders who bring them to the table. Showing it on channels without commercial breaks, will attract them how?

The biggest growth market for Dorna is the US, this is were they need to improve their marketing strategy, not Europe.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 14 2008, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Eurosport gets them what 2 million viewers? Where as free to air channels in key countries & key markets can give upto 20 million+. It makes perfect sense, it gives more people a chance to see the sport, & will draw the more diverse sponsorship. I can't see any broadcaster of any consequence turning it down, 'cept maybe the Americans. However that's why we have Indy & Laguna.

It's a great move, & a good step to geting rid of ...... pay-per-view television.

And you base those numbers on what?
Where I live Eurosport are covered probably some 80% of the population and the remaining 20% simply couldn't care less and that's why they dont have a dish or cable connection.
So far two channels have turned Dorna down and there is a very high posibility we won't have MotoGp at all. Even if we did get it it would be 2. priority and probably only send 40% of the actual production time with even worse commentators.
Regardless of the outcome this will mean largely reduced viewer numbers in my country and probably the rest of scandinavia. My only hope is that the situation in the rest of europe is similar and that Dorna realize their huge misstake and sell it back to Eurosport.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Red R6 07 @ Sep 14 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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I got to laugh at that. Do you enjoy watching Suzi Perry trying to suck JT and Edwards off every race weekend? I mean she doesn't know anything about racing, so she has to try and entertain you guys some way.

Yes the strategy may give more people the chance to watch the sport if your respective country shows Motogp, however not all countries do. How is that growing the sport? It actually may alienate some of the fanbase. It will also mean in the short term less people in Europe will be able to watch the sport as some countries rely on what you call the "the ...... pay-per-view".

Where do you think all these fans will come from? By the Beeb having the sole rights will their audience significantly rise? No it won't they will take a chunk of the UK Eurosport base, that's were it ends. The beeb don't have the time nor the funds to grow the fanbase. Do you think showing races on the red button will help when races clash with golf, tennis, rugby, F1, show jumping?

How will it create more diverse sponsorship? Are you serious? Dorna are deluded if they think they can turn Motogp into the money pit that is F1. Motogp isn't mainstream simply fact.... it never will be, two wheels isn't everyone's cup of tea. Sponsorship is hard to come by it's mainly riders who bring them to the table. Showing it on channels without commercial breaks, will attract them how?

The biggest growth market for Dorna is the US, this is were they need to improve their marketing strategy, not Europe.I don't watch for the commentators, & I wasn't just talking about pay-per-view racing, I'm sick of missing other sports as well.

For a start the BBC is raising it's amount of coverage for next year already. & it can offer what Eurosport can't which is solid coverage with the red button. It has more resources, more opportunity for expansion than Eurosport will ever have. I've witnessed the expansion since 2005, & it's got bigger every year since. I've seen people asking "Why isn't it on Eurosport?" every few races. You won't have that with the Beeb because of the interactive service.

Attract sponsors how? by guaranteeing a larger audience, that's how it works. Terrestrial television gives you a whole country rather than the small audience share of pay-per-view. Any audience lost in mainland Europe could be replaced by that larger audience share. Also if the broadcasters of those other countries don't accept a Moto GP package from Dorna it's down to them, with Dorna focusing on terrestrial I'm sure it's only a matter of time.

So it's what you do with that potential that counts, & it does have to be built up. & That's why Toseland has barely been off of the television in the UK, they are in the midst of building up the market. You don't think that the BBC's F1 coverage will have a lead in to their Moto GP coverage? 500cc was mainstream enough in the 70's & early 80's in the UK, but I know what you are thinking, no BS.
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For the last time, Moto GP will not clash with F1, they work the calendars out together.

But .... what do I know? I just work in the industry
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 14 2008, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And you base those numbers on what?
Where I live Eurosport are covered probably some 80% of the population and the remaining 20% simply couldn't care less and that's why they dont have a dish or cable connection.
So far two channels have turned Dorna down and there is a very high posibility we won't have MotoGp at all. Even if we did get it it would be 2. priority and probably only send 40% of the actual production time with even worse commentators.
Regardless of the outcome this will mean largely reduced viewer numbers in my country and probably the rest of scandinavia. My only hope is that the situation in the rest of europe is similar and that Dorna realize their huge misstake and sell it back to Eurosport.I base those numbers on UK audience share. Because that's what we were talking about. "Key market"

I would dearly love to know the numbers they will lose Europewide compered to the numbers they will gain through terrestrial. I bet they know. But then they are covered by motogp.com as well aren't they.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 14 2008, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And you base those numbers on what?
Where I live Eurosport are covered probably some 80% of the population and the remaining 20% simply couldn't care less and that's why they dont have a dish or cable connection.
So far two channels have turned Dorna down and there is a very high posibility we won't have MotoGp at all. Even if we did get it it would be 2. priority and probably only send 40% of the actual production time with even worse commentators.
Regardless of the outcome this will mean largely reduced viewer numbers in my country and probably the rest of scandinavia. My only hope is that the situation in the rest of europe is similar and that Dorna realize their huge misstake and sell it back to Eurosport.
dont forget you can watch motogp online on the bbc website, cant do that with eurosport.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 14 2008, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I base those numbers on UK audience share. Because that's what we were talking about. "Key market"

I would dearly love to know the numbers they will lose Europewide compered to the numbers they will gain through terrestrial. I bet they know. But then they are covered by motogp.com as well aren't they.

The key market in Europe is actually Spain and Italy. Growth market is USA. There are no major UK sponsors for a reason.

You also have to pay for motogp.com. Eurosport comes free with the basic sky package, not sure about Europe.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 14 2008, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dont forget you can watch motogp online on the bbc website, cant do that with eurosport.

Only available to the UK.... No good to the Europeans who rely on Eurosport. Don't need to do that anyway with Eurosport as races are repeated
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Red R6 07 @ Sep 14 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The key market in Europe is actually Spain and Italy. Growth market is USA. There are no major UK sponsors for a reason.

You also have to pay for motogp.com. Eurosport comes free with the basic sky package, not sure about Europe.
thats a contradiction in terms. what about people who cant afford sky or cant get sat coverage .
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 14 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't watch for the commentators, & I wasn't just talking about pay-per-view racing, I'm sick of missing other sports as well.

For a start the BBC is raising it's amount of coverage for next year already. & it can offer what Eurosport can't which is solid coverage with the red button. It has more resources, more opportunity for expansion than Eurosport will ever have. I've witnessed the expansion since 2005, & it's got bigger every year since. I've seen people asking "Why isn't it on Eurosport?" every few races. You won't have that with the Beeb because of the interactive service.

What is Eurosport coverage not solid? A practice sessions on Friday, Qualifying, warm up (sometimes) and race for all classes. Sessions are repeated again in the evening and in the morning and races are repeated throughout the week. All can be recorded as well to watch at a later date. Come on, the BBC can only match that by putting it on the red button, that means you can't sky+ it. Yes I agree on you with the Beeb have the resources to significantly improve the coverage, will they? well only time will tell, i'm not holding my breath. I mean they only started broadcasting in widescreen this year
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. Eurosport are currently showing the coverage in HD, okay not true HD, just upscaled, however still a better picture.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Attract sponsors how? by guaranteeing a larger audience, that's how it works. Terrestrial television gives you a whole country rather than the small audience share of pay-per-view. Any audience lost in mainland Europe could be replaced by that larger audience share. Also if the broadcasters of those other countries don't accept a Moto GP package from Dorna it's down to them, with Dorna focusing on terrestrial I'm sure it's only a matter of time.

They can't guarenatee larger audiences....the only thing they can gaurentee is the potentional of larger audiences, however this is only applicable if other countries take up the option. Although tHis is not gurarenteed. Like I keep on saying, two wheels is not mainstream, therefore it's not ideal for companies outside of the motor industry circle to invest.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>So it's what you do with that potential that counts, & it does have to be built up. & That's why Toseland has barely been off of the television in the UK, they are in the midst of building up the market. You don't think that the BBC's F1 coverage will have a lead in to their Moto GP coverage? 500cc was mainstream enough in the 70's & early 80's in the UK, but I know what you are thinking, no BS.
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Toseland has a long way to go before he is a household name. When he won WSBK last year he got a paragraph in the rags
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The BBC and his management are trying to make Toseland the new Hamilton. It just won't work Toseland just isn't marketable, which is strange... I mean he's good looking, talented, educated and a world champion....like I keep on saying it won't matter how much the BBC plug him two wheels just isn't mainstream enough in the UK.

Yes the BBC F1 coverage will attract a larger audience than Motogp....I don't get it myself can't stand the sport. F1 has always been popular in the UK for some strange reason. With Hamilton as a front runner, possible champion elect and more marketable than Toseland, that will be their motorsport bread and butter. Will we see F1 being put to the red button instead of other minor sports or repeat of other programmes? No we won't.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>For the last time, Moto GP will not clash with F1, they work the calendars out together.

I know that, I was merely pointing out the fact that motogp is way down the priority list for the BBC....the race today is on the red button due to a repeat of Dragons Den and Top Gear
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>But .... what do I know? I just work in the industry
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Shouldn't you be at the race then?
 
I can't be ....... bothered
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I'll just point out that it's a gamble on Dorna's part, these things always are, that's exactly what I was trying to illustrate.

Why should I be at the race? I work in tv & media, not Moto GP.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Sep 14 2008, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I base those numbers on UK audience share. Because that's what we were talking about. "Key market"

I would dearly love to know the numbers they will lose Europewide compered to the numbers they will gain through terrestrial. I bet they know. But then they are covered by motogp.com as well aren't they.
Why would key markets be any consideration at all, except for geting more money. Those markets allready have one aired channel or more showing motoGP. BBC will continue to show MotoGP if I've understood it right, not? That give them all the coverage they can get. Eurosport is interesting for the non key markets and that's where they loose rather than gain viewers.
MotoGP.com is anoption but a very bad one compared with TV. Their feeds are unstable and the resolution are not good enough.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 14 2008, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why would key markets be any consideration at all, except for geting more money.I like people who answer their own questions
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