http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/01/125s_to_be_replaced_by_four_strokes_from.html
Hopefully this will bring in different manufacturers to the grid.
Hopefully this will bring in different manufacturers to the grid.
another article on MCN
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...0/June/jun0110-moto3-to-replace-125-gp-class/
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...0/June/jun0110-moto3-to-replace-125-gp-class/
Honestly I'm not so sure what to think. Clearly the 125's should be cheaper to run and the technology has been around for so long that there are loads of tech's capable of keeping one tuned. This has to be coming from the MSMA, probably to promote "green" technology, and just get out of two strokes all together. Possibly its a push from the Japanese to take over the last part of racing that is overly dominated by Euro mfg's (Aprilia/Derbi). I imagine they are going to keep with the age restricted rules as well. I am curious if they will follow the Moto2 method and provide a spec engine and let the frame builders go crazy or see if the mfg's will provide different bikes?
Why not just drop the class altogether and let Moto2 and MotoGP battle it out twice each race weekend. Surely the cost of a second race wouldn't be much more than the cost of turning up for one race.
that would be awesome.....but you drop a whole group of riders (the young ones) that will gain much needed experience in the world of GP racing. They learn from a early stage to work with many bike settings, better tires, bigger crowds...and it is less of a shock or lerning curve when going to Moto2 or MotoGP than if they were in AMA or WSBK and then made the move to GP racing. The riders with the best results in GP racing are mainly from the 125/250 feeder class, so they should not drop the smaller bike program or the racing level could get weaker.
2 MotoGP races per round would be fantasic....and that is why WSBK is so great. More action and the riders have more room to make up for any bad weekends in the title chase!!
No more talk of consolidating series and dropping classes. GP needs to expand. They need a 4th Moto1 class for 750s to bridge the gap between MotoGP and Moto2.
Getting rid of the 125s makes sense, but not if they plan to replace it with another bogus single engine 4-stroke class. Moto2 is very entertaining, but it isn't exactly doing much on the prototype engine frontier.
Roll out the 450cc singles.I`ve touched on this subject before I know ,but we have guys racing the 450`s in the UK and USA already.The talent is there ready to take up the reins.
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Im really pissed about this although l think we all knew it was coming, no more strokers
its a mistake l tell ye.
Another reason l watch World Championship Motorcycle racing bites the dust.
Another reason l watch World Championship Motorcycle racing bites the dust.
Im really pissed about this although l think we all knew it was coming, no more strokersits a mistake l tell ye.
Another reason l watch World Championship Motorcycle racing bites the dust.
It was inevitable. In the modern era of televised motorsports, it is impossible to manage a motorsports property if you don't manage development b/c costs will outpace revenues exponentially.
The 125s are expensive and two-stroke technology is difficult to police. Four stroke technology, on the other hand, is pretty straight forward b/c engines are air pumps and 4-stroke breathing and compression is a relatively standardized mature technology. Engine speeds and composite metals are what have led to excessive costs in four stroke racing so as long as the FIM control engine speeds and metallurgy, everything should work out fine.
It is a shame to see the two-strokes go b/c the of the hypocrisy and mindlessness of it. The FIM are invested in racing electric motorcycles b/c they want to reduce pollution, but 90% of all two-wheeled transportation is old fashioned two-smokes. If they actually want to do something useful for the environment, they will stop with the ridiculous window dressing, and they will develop a clean two-stroke class. I'm not sure I would use the clean two-stroke class as a premier entertainment property, but as a rolling R&D lab. When the technology matures a bit more and the FIM learn how to control it's implementation for grand prix, then they can replace the 4-stroke support classes with cheaper 2-stroke alternatives.
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Looks like Honda is at it again....and will be "ready" for the rule change
"MCN understands Honda is already working on a 250cc four-stroke single motor that has been fitted into a race RS125 chassis for initial testing at the Twin Ring Motegi circuit in Japan."
I hope it does not end up being another Honda spec motor class....
"MCN understands Honda is already working on a 250cc four-stroke single motor that has been fitted into a race RS125 chassis for initial testing at the Twin Ring Motegi circuit in Japan."
I hope it does not end up being another Honda spec motor class....
Looks like Honda is at it again....and will be "ready" for the rule change
"MCN understands Honda is already working on a 250cc four-stroke single motor that has been fitted into a race RS125 chassis for initial testing at the Twin Ring Motegi circuit in Japan."
I hope it does not end up being another Honda spec motor class....
That would be bad. Honda would have to much pull in the whole show if they controlled both lower classes. A few year's back when the majority of bikes in the premier class were honda's they threatened dorna saying they would pull out, Bit like ducati in wsb. I wouldn't take to much notice about what MCN say, They rarley print facts. Factory made a good point in his earlier post about the lower classes being needed to bring on the new tallent from a young age.
As fior TP70's idea od 2 races per season, i can see the attraction but im against it because i think it would drive up costs, It's not suitable for prototype racing because of the endurance factor and because of the speed of motogp i think 2 short races will make the series more dangrous. Plus it's copying wsb.
Looks like Honda is at it again....and will be "ready" for the rule change
"MCN understands Honda is already working on a 250cc four-stroke single motor that has been fitted into a race RS125 chassis for initial testing at the Twin Ring Motegi circuit in Japan."
I hope it does not end up being another Honda spec motor class....
4-stroke 250s would be a disaster. If they want cheap power they need displacement which means 450s. There is already a huge aftermarket for 450 racing parts. They don't last long, but that can be solved with a spec-ECU and rev limiting just like they have in Moto2.
If Moto3 is spec engines, I'm going to be really pissed off. I know why they are doing it--it keeps major manufacturers from investing boat loads of money in the lower classes, but what the hell is the point of lower classes if the small major manufacturers can't develop their own engines?
Agreed....
and a spec tire for MotoGp...and Spec engines for Moto2....and the talk of using production based 1000cc bikes for the grid fillers in 2012 is very WSBKish. Of course Honda could threaten to leave WSBK and WSBK and leave it to Ducati to carry more of the series again. WSS is Honda, Kawasaki and Triumph right now....and that class would crumble with half the grid gone, unless Yamaha comes back in strong.
Honda gaining too much control of serveral classes is dangerous.
......on the other hand ,two strokes could re appear with cleanburn tech but it seems to have gone a little quiet on that front.
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