Edward's new parts

I don't think it's been mentioned here but I'll apologise in advance if I missed it. How come Yamaha hold back 'new parts' on Colin until Estoril? If they had some extra trick goodies why not give them to both riders as soon as they can? Seems strange to me that all of a sudden when the pressure is on, Yamaha just bolt on another second per lap to the no2 bike. Anyone got a take on it? Could be Colin is just helping develop different stuff all year long, maybe some prep work for the 800. That would be the most logical reason to continue development when the 990 is destined to be obselete. I can't see them having this stuff just lying around in a magic drawer. I'd love to know the story there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Oct 18 2006, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think it's been mentioned here but I'll apologise in advance if I missed it. How come Yamaha hold back 'new parts' on Colin until Estoril? If they had some extra trick goodies why not give them to both riders as soon as they can? Seems strange to me that all of a sudden when the pressure is on, Yamaha just bolt on another second per lap to the no2 bike. Anyone got a take on it? Could be Colin is just helping develop different stuff all year long, maybe some prep work for the 800. That would be the most logical reason to continue development when the 990 is destined to be obselete. I can't see them having this stuff just lying around in a magic drawer. I'd love to know the story there.


i don't know how they justify it but it's a common practice.

even james ellison couldn't get the same chasis as checca (even tho it was ellison who asked Yam to go back to last years chasis to cure the terminal chatter problems)

i can only say it's a political thing or availability problems but if it was MY team - I would give everyone everthing I could to help them win

Rossi gets the parts and when he says they are good to go they are distributed at Yamaha's discretion.

Conspiracy Theory here and I personally believe it. Colin goes fast when Yamaha want him to. All season Colin is nowhere, Rossi gets hurt at Assen and suddenly Colin is fighting for a win, then immediately nowhere again and now Rossi needs a tailgunner, Colin is up front. Yamaha give him the help/parts he needs when they feel like it. Just my 2p.

Well it could also be with Colin getting his finger out when the pressure is on him to perform. You could say exactly the same about Elias. Where was he all season? Marco was nowhere in Portugal, and Elias won the race. At the end of the day, sure it's about the bike, but I think it's far more about who's on it and the attitude with which it's raced. Very few people have that attitude on tap. In fact, only one I can think of!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Oct 19 2006, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Conspiracy Theory here and I personally believe it. Colin goes fast when Yamaha want him to. All season Colin is nowhere, Rossi gets hurt at Assen and suddenly Colin is fighting for a win, then immediately nowhere again and now Rossi needs a tailgunner, Colin is up front. Yamaha give him the help/parts he needs when they feel like it. Just my 2p.

I agree, perhaps it's the same as the Hayden sitaution at Honda, but not as "intentional". Yamaha are giving Edwards menial test jobs and letting Rossi concentrate on the championship? I do think it's strange that Rossi gets hurt at Assen and all of a sudden Edwards is at the front, and when Rossi needs to put a gap between him and Hayden at Estoril so he can walk away with a biiger climb on Hayden in the points table, all of a sudden Edwards is up the front, second on the grid and guarding Rossi's ....
If you belive the conspiracy theories, the same sitoation exists in the Repsol Honda pit because HRC are trying to make Hayden look bad so they can justify making Dani the No. 1 rider in 2007. Well, I doubt the same situation exists at Yamaha. Although Edwards is a skilled rider, I don't think he'd be embarrasing Rossi on the same machinery. I think it's more likely that Edwards is another victim of the "Rossi's biggest fans pay his salary" situation. I could be wrong, but I think Yamaha are simply ignoring him and concentrating on their golden boy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Oct 18 2006, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i don't know how they justify it but it's a common practice.

even james ellison couldn't get the same chasis as checca (even tho it was ellison who asked Yam to go back to last years chasis to cure the terminal chatter problems)Meantime evrybody thinks Rossi's the only guy who can ride the Yam.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xB Rida @ Oct 18 2006, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi gets the parts and when he says they are good to go they are distributed at Yamaha's discretion.that sounds about right xB

Your theory makes sense Ooost.

I don't want to believe it but it is rational and I respect you so it does make sense to me.

But, look at the other riders Rossi has been with, they do not stay up there with him. he is the fastest guy on a Yamaha. Maybe it is due to parts or whatever.

Rossi likes Colin, they have good chemistry and what-not, and he knows he can beat Colin any day.

If you read the autobiography, Rossi has always been faster than Colin. In the Suzuka 8 hour race, he even said he was lapping a few seconds faster than Colin. And that bike was practically the same one Colin was winning championships with and Rossi had minimal time on it!!

Anyways, your theory makes sense, but I like to think of Colin as the All-American Badass that won't take playing second fiddle easily. Although, he is wise and has the experience to back a teammate up.
Under normal racing circumstances, I believe he is trying his best though.

Spot on Xb, not saying that Colin is sandbagging by any means here. I probably respect him more than anyone on the grid because of the fact he doesn't make excuses and he does what he's asked. I think Richo said it best when he said "Rossi's biggest fans pay his salary" and Colin is left to do what he can until needed to test parts or play tailgunner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Oct 18 2006, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Yamaha are simply ignoring him and concentrating on their golden boy.
colin is there, & will be next year, just to support monk...... i mean golden boy.

Rossi is faster than Colin no doubt, I hadn't thought about the Assen race until Ooost mentioned it, strange there too that Colin's pace becomes impressive all of a sudden. That and his pace at Estoril is evidence that Yamaha are running two different M1's in the factory team a la HRC. Let's play a little word association, Conspiracy ............... It's just a Conspiracy, it stops being a theory as soon as you've any evidence. In theory, I could fly to the moon. The only flaw in Yamaha'a plan last week was that Rossi couldn't better the pace of Edwards, and pull a gap whilst Colin blocked the Honda charge. Colin will be at the front mixing it with the Hondas at Valencia and it won't be a big surprise.
Frosty, monk?

So what parts did Colin get at Estoril, as I've only read about him "making the pieces fit" on the setup???

I think it's only fair that Colin Edwards get's the ride with Yamaha next year, purely because he hasn't had the same bike as Rossi and couldn't do too much on it. Now that he has the same bike as Rossi we see a dramatic change in his pace, both in qualifying and in the race...even though he finished 4th when he started 2nd which isn't too bad compared to the rest of the season.

I reckon that next year he'll be a lot better and more competitve especially now that he'll have the same bike as Rossi, he just doesn't deserve to be kicked out of the team.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Oct 20 2006, 03:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Frosty, monk?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Oct 19 2006, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well it could also be with Colin getting his finger out when the pressure is on him to perform. You could say exactly the same about Elias. Where was he all season? Marco was nowhere in Portugal, and Elias won the race. At the end of the day, sure it's about the bike, but I think it's far more about who's on it and the attitude with which it's raced. Very few people have that attitude on tap. In fact, only one I can think of!
its funny isn't it, at the end of the season you seem to see all the middle pack riders at the sharp end,...parts or riding for a job ?