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Ducati not that Hard to ride

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SackWack

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Mattia Pasini <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%taken from crash.net
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>“During the morning I had to adjust to the bike, but from the afternoon, after the heavy rain that has unluckily limited our learning procedure, I felt at ease and I could push much more. It is a really spectacular bike to ride with an incredible power. It doesn't seem so complicated to ride like I heard; on the contrary, it is really comfortable.

“The biggest different I found compare to my actual bike are the carbon brakes which have a totally different reaction compared to mine. Overall I am very satisfied on how things went today. Now I will have to concentrate to my 250cc championship as I still have the possibility to aim for the title,” declared Mattia,

All these 250cc riders hopping on the 800's have the same reaction. Even the untameable ducati gets no respect.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 17 2009, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mattia Pasini <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%taken from crash.net


All these 250cc riders hopping on the 800's have the same reaction. Even the untameable ducati gets no respect.

Brno post GP Monday test – best times – number of laps in brackets
1. J. Lorenzo - Fiat Yamaha - 1’56.2 (52)
2. V. Rossi - Fiat Yamaha - 1’56.6 (38)
3. D. Pedrosa - Repsol Honda - 1’56.7 (53)

13. M. Pasini - Pramac Racing - 1’59.6 (66)

easy thing to say when you are over 3 seconds slower... of course it feels comfortable at that speed compared to rossi/lorenzo's pace..

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Is it Passini or Talmasci with the wasted left arm muscle? I think I got these two mixed up in a post a coupla weeks ago.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ Aug 17 2009, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is it Passini or Talmasci with the wasted left arm muscle? I think I got these two mixed up in a post a coupla weeks ago.
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IIRC its Talmasci with the wasted arm. didnt really slow him down on a 125 or a 250 though!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Aug 17 2009, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IIRC its Talmasci with the wasted arm. didnt really slow him down on a 125 or a 250 though!

I`m just trying to figure out if he`ll be a danger to other riders,but it don`t harm him any in 250`s like you said.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ Aug 17 2009, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I`m just trying to figure out if he`ll be a danger to other riders,but it don`t harm him any in 250`s like you said.
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sadly, i dont think he will be around in moto gp for long enough to be a danger to anything except his sponsors bank account. moreso the pity because he has "that" spirit and determination to compete.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Aug 17 2009, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sadly, i dont think he will be around in moto gp for long enough to be a danger to anything except his sponsors bank account. moreso the pity because he has "that" spirit and determination to compete.

His spirit could find a nice little niche in Moto2,don`t you think?
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times say it all we seen what marco n nicky have managed in the past.
there not bad racers at all
but getting that extra second or so out of the lap times has been a struggle.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Aug 17 2009, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>times say it all we seen what marco n nicky have managed in the past.
there not bad racers at all
but getting that extra second or so out of the lap times has been a struggle.
for all

So true Pigeon,so true.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Aug 17 2009, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IIRC its Talmasci with the wasted arm. didnt really slow him down on a 125 or a 250 though!

No it's Pasini.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Aug 17 2009, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>easy thing to say when you are over 3 seconds slower... of course it feels comfortable at that speed compared to rossi/lorenzo's pace..

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3 seconds slower than Lorenzo the first time you ride the bike is extremely respectable in my opinion.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Aug 17 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>times say it all we seen what marco n nicky have managed in the past.
there not bad racers at all
but getting that extra second or so out of the lap times has been a struggle.
for all

Nicky is a lot close than Marco ever was IMO. I recall that Marco cruised around in the back for most of the races last year. At least Nicky is getting repectable results in the middle of the field.

My point was why is it that when a 250cc rider hops on a MOTOGP bike for the first time scared to ...., comes back in saying, meh there not that hard to ride.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 18 2009, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky is a lot close than Marco ever was IMO. I recall that Marco cruised around in the back for most of the races last year. At least Nicky is getting repectable results in the middle of the field.

My point was why is it that when a 250cc rider hops on a MOTOGP bike for the first time scared to ...., comes back in saying, meh there not that hard to ride.It probably has something to do with the electronic aids being transformed into e-nannies by being cranked up to 11, and with the bikes being ridden well off of their limits.

Hayden's got more top-10s (in his last 5 races even) than Melandri on the Duc. He's got as many points-scoring finishes and more points, albeit against a smaller field (although some of Melandri's better finishes were down to Michelin sucking). He's also improved over the season and strung together results that, while not great, show improvement sustained over multiple races in a way Melanrdi never did. By this point Melandri had about given up - he was pretty well done going into the break and after the brief spurt he gave at Brno (Bridgestone race) and San Marino he only managed 1 more point-scoring outing. I can't see Hayden ending the season at all like that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Aug 18 2009, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>3 seconds slower than Lorenzo the first time you ride the bike is extremely respectable in my opinion.
it is very respectable, especially as he was denied more time to improve by the rain which fell in the afternoon.
my point is that the bike will naturally feel less "nasty" because 3 seconds is a huge gap. we all know that the bike will feel very different at 90% as opposed to 100%.
 
Fabrizio is out, will Pasini fill in? I believe he stated before his test he was not planning on filling in for Pramac due to him being currently 5th in the 250 championship with a remote (very remote imho) chance of winning the overall. I suppose it depends on if they throw him a bone for a chance to ride next year.

I'm a fan of Pasini's but I wouldn't have picked him for a ride in GP at this point. That said he did a lot better then I would have suspected on his virgin ride. And I'm beginning to think the "weakened arm" of Pasini's doesn't mean much. Back when he was racing 125's they said he would never go to 250's, which he did the following year after this was mentioned.
 
3 seconds off the first is not bad at all for a first ride in the premier class. Had Pasini been 1 sec off Lorenzo (or even 1.5 secs off) everybody would be screaming at his miracle performance...
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To answer the original question, why 250 riders fail to be impressed with present day's premier class machines, I agree it must have to do with TC and electronic aids, which are not present on most 250s. Last year, Dovi declared his Honda was much more forgiving than his old 250
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This is in stark contrast with Rossi's first exclamation after riding the Honda NSR 500 for the first time, the famous ....ffck
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Aug 18 2009, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>3 seconds off the first is not bad at all for a first ride in the premier class. Had Pasini been 1 sec off Lorenzo (or even 1.5 secs off) everybody would be screaming at his miracle performance...
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To answer the original question, why 250 riders fail to be impressed with present day's premier class machines, I agree it must have to do with TC and electronic aids, which are not present on most 250s. Last year, Dovi declared his Honda was much more forgiving than his old 250
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This is in stark contrast with Rossi's first exclamation after riding the Honda NSR 500 for the first time, the famous ....ffck
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granted, but hardly an indication the bike is "easy" to ride is it. now if he were 1 secs off lorenzos time we i wouldn't be calling his comment arrogant, BUT it wasn't ,was it.
 

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