Joined Apr 2011
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Pangea
Wow you read that article quick Michael......Yes you are of course correct....my bad.
Ducati going traditional?
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Wow you read that article quick Michael......Yes you are of course correct....my bad.
The talents/skills which were quite handy in my youth are largely redundant in these days of the internet, but I don't need to read articles to know such things in areas of my interest. As it happens I can read articles fairly quickly as well. (Any talent I have doesn't extend to computers. Can't get the emoticons to work after the site revamp).
Joined Jun 2007
10K Posts | 1K+
Norah Head
Your guise of being Pro-Stoner is very thin .....
The Honda has had minor changes from 2010 mid season. Indeed at PI in 2010 Doohan himself said, of Casey's prospects at Honda, that they have the bike its all there, its just the chip in the riders head that they need to work on .......
Stoner has the chip in his head that they needed. Stoner is why the Honda looks so good, the same as your comrade boppers implied that the Ducati was the best bike out there ........ right up until about April 2011
Joined Feb 2007
11K Posts | 2K+
Tennessee
Lorenzo is 20 points behind and came very close to winning Leguna, in which case he would be 6 points behind. So where is all this talk of unbeatable bike weaponry coming from? Who knows whether the Yamaha or Honda is better, and by how much, on any given circuit, at any given track temperature, fuel load, tire wear, suspension setting etc etc. I have no idea, I've not ridden them. Do you and a bunch of commentators know more by watching them on tv?
If Lorenzo jumped on the Honda at the next round and wiped Stoners ..., then maybe we might be able to conclude something.
I'm not trying to argue a pro Stoner view at all. A typical fanboy comment is I love Stoner, Rossi sucks. This is a debate. There's no clear evidence any one rider out of Lorenzo, Stoner or Rossi is better. Throw in Pedro as well injury free. But Stoner is obviously working very hard, and nothings being handed to him on a plate. There's no garantee Stoner will win the title just because he has the leaping forward Honda. Do you think Stoner is cruising around thinking yippee, I have the Honda its clearly the best bike because Mackie and Birdman who ride motogp bikes all the time have said so? Does it look that easy to you?
I think the Yamaha and Honda are very very close, with each holding small advantages over the other. Like you said, they are so close, tracks, fuel load, track condition and according to Rossi, menstrual cramps, could be the difference on a given day. As far as the points, i believe it would be 10 points difference had Jorge held of Casey at Laguna.
When they hit tracks that are not as tight as the last couple the Honda will begin to have an advantage again. At go-kart tracks like Laguna and Sachsenring the difference if less pronounced.
Joined Oct 2006
25K Posts | 4K+
Your Mom's House
At NO time in the history of the Ducati 800 project has it been as good or competitive with Yamaha or Honda, it has ALWAYS been a 2nd tier package if not 3rd tier, that includes the very first race in 2007, where Yamaha factory was clearly the best and its remained so. The only change in this package ranking has been that Honda became Yamahas equal in the last third of 2010.
Did you see that races in 2007? Did you see Stoner's Ducati leaving Rossi down the straights looking like Rossi was on a street bike? That was no 2nd tier bike.
I just read where JB is pretty much saying the guys at ducati went in a bad direction during his race absence and he got the bike back to it's previous performance when he came back. It's bad when the crew chief understands the bike better than the people who have yrs and yrs with the bike. I really hope they start listening to him, the man has a special talent for motorcycles.
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
As has been discussed on here more times than i can count, top speed does not make a winning race bike. In fact the winning bike is more often than not mid pack in the top speed chart, especially when the Yamaha wins
My point was that the '07 Ducati was the class of the field. Yamaha and Honda completely miscalculated what would be needed. By seasons end they were in the hunt but the Ducati was well ahead to start the season. And it was not purely top speed - the Ducati was GONE long before they ever hit the top.
People are touting how fast the Honda is this season but their advantage is in acceleration, not top speed.
People are touting how fast the Honda is this season but their advantage is in acceleration, not top speed.
Joined Feb 2007
11K Posts | 2K+
Tennessee
There were many instances where the Yamaha would overtake the Ducati in the twisty bits, only to be re passed by the Ducati on the straights. It was fast no doubt, but was not the dominate bike everyone made it out to be.This has been debated to death and always came back to why, if the Ducati was such a great bike, didnt Cappirossi do anything on it. He was a world class rider, if that bike was that good, he would have been fighting for at least podiums on a regular basis. Usually when a bike is good, both riders seem to get good results, not one at the front and one nowhere to be found. I think Capi had a wet win, and a couple of dry podiums out of 18 races that year.. The difference then,and for the next 3 years was Stoner. He was the only rider who could keep the Ducati close enough to use the power advantage. The others lost way to much time in the corners for the power to mean anything.
Your guise of being Pro-Stoner is very thin .....
The Honda has had minor changes from 2010 mid season. Indeed at PI in 2010 Doohan himself said, of Casey's prospects at Honda, that they have the bike its all there, its just the chip in the riders head that they need to work on .......
Stoner has the chip in his head that they needed. Stoner is why the Honda looks so good, the same as your comrade boppers implied that the Ducati was the best bike out there ........ right up until about April 2011
Rubbish!
That chip in two of those riders seemed pretty good at a few races this season..........
You boners are incredible! The Honda has improved this season, EVERYONE has said it except the Boners! Hilarious.
Stoner is riding it well sure, but the bike has also improved a lot on last season......
Probably because your opinion is always Rossi=BAD......Stoner=MESSIAH........= Stoner Fanboyish.
Unless people are completely in awe of Casey you lot are critical of them........this is worse than any bopper talk I've read!!
Joined Jul 2011
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Dont Know
Just ask Rossi. In 2004 when he signed with Yamaha they gave him two engine options. One was a powerful screamer, the other a big bang droner. Rossi chose the droner because his lap time was faster, but on the straight it was slower. In 2007 Yamaha again toyed with the screamer, again Rossi said no. The screamer had too many negatives to overcome the one positive. Negatives - power too agressive, tyre wear excessive, lack of drive out of corners, lack of midrange, peaky. Positive - higher top speed.
20 more hp does not equal faster lap time as proved by professor Rossi The Doctor.
Joined Jul 2011
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Dont Know
Rubbish!
That chip in two of those riders seemed pretty good at a few races this season..........
You boners are incredible! The Honda has improved this season, EVERYONE has said it except the Boners! Hilarious.
Stoner is riding it well sure, but the bike has also improved a lot on last season......
Yep your right the Honda is a 2 second per lap faster bike than last year. Stoner is a one second per lap slower rider than Lorenzo. Hence Lorenzo can still match Stoner even though Stoner has a Honda.
Stoner is a 2 second per lap slower rider than Rossi. Therefore the Ducati must now be a 4 second per lap slower bike than when Stoner rode it, which explains why Rossi cant match Stoner
That may be the case. But when you or anyone else comes on here and state the FACTS as being Rossi = Messiah.... Stoner = Bad then you are being worse that a Stoner Fan saying that in their opinion ........
Unless people are completely in awe of Rossi you lot are critical of them and call them haters. The only reason you think it is worse than bopper talk is that you are so extreme that you think Bopper talk is factual. You don't comprehend that it is biased opinion yet you throw Stones at anyone supporting another rider.
You and your kind have turned people against Rossi. Most people don't have a problem with Rossi at all it is just the fans they have a problem with. The opposite is that the Boppers hate Stoner directly because he had the audacity to beat Rossi throughout the 800cc era. As a result of the hate and absolute dribble that you extremists have sprouted for years the fans of other riders have struck back causing you to hate them as well.
