Ducati 2010 season

Ok, includes spoilers if you didn't guess
























I think it's quite clear that this season was pretty much a disaster for Ducati. Much more so than last year. Every single Ducati rider will have to be able to perform better next year. Just look at this year's results:

Stoner: 220pts. 4th
Hayden 104pts. 13th
Kallio 71pts. 15th
Canepa 38pts. 16th


All of them had their seasons hindered by retirements/injuries/technical difficulties/3 race breaks for no clear reason/etc.etc....

Stoner should have been able to win the title... In Hayden's defence, without all the bad luck he could have finished 7th in the standings. Kallio also lost dozens of points due to retirements. Canepa didn't start the last 3 races and so on, but in the end these are all just excuses for bad form.

So what do you guys think the deal will be next year? Will Ducati be able to up their game in Moto GP with all the changes they are going through with Suppo leaving? Will Stoner be able to become the champion once again? Can any other Ducati rider win races next year?

Discuss.

Oh well, the spoiler brat comes in, sorry… I think Ducati got it right the first time around with 800cc. Specially Yamaha, and Honda took time, but they got up to the game, which hinders Ducati putting them back into third in Constructors, you could see a lot of Satellite Hondas doing better around mid pack. This opinion of mine has nothing to do with Riders, which is a completely different topic in which Yamaha just took off!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Nov 9 2009, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>3 race breaks for no clear reason/etc.etc....

Would have been a good post to discuss but this lame comment renders it pointless.

Next thread please!

I just say things as I see them... I don't hate Stoner in any way. I think it is quite "clear" that that the reason for his inability to race those 3 races was/is "unclear".

And yes, it was meant to be taken with humour. I guess I should add a smiley everytime I joke. Don't get offended so easily.

Not your fault wander, for some reason cs fans are a tid bit moody today. But I do think he may be the first to show his face, but he does seem to be suffering a severe case of SV syndrome.

I think technically we can call this a fourth no-show. Oh yeah I almost forgot .

I don't think losing Suppo will have any affect in the garage. He's never been a technical guy, just sort of a PR/Marketer to act as the face of the team. I think having Guareschi in the garage every weekend is going to be a big help for Ducati. And I think having a year under Hayden's belt to acclimate to the feel of the bike and the team should give that side of the garage a better platform to start 2010. I see improvements. I don't think they'll be as strong as Yamaha but I think the GP10 will be a stronger package than the GP9 was.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 8 2009, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think losing Suppo will have any affect in the garage. He's never been a technical guy, just sort of a PR/Marketer to act as the face of the team. I think having Guareschi in the garage every weekend is going to be a big help for Ducati. And I think having a year under Hayden's belt to acclimate to the feel of the bike and the team should give that side of the garage a better platform to start 2010. I see improvements. I don't think they'll be as strong as Yamaha but I think the GP10 will be a stronger package than the GP9 was.
winner of the nutshell award..



thats how i see it too.

I don't think Ducati did much wrong this season, they made a really fast bike with which his lead rider racked up win after win, they cannot control sickness they're bike manufacturers not gods.
They did a big effort to try and help their 2nd rider and towards the end it was starting to pay off. I think they're only mistake was to take on Canepa, that was a wasted seat, but that's fixed for 2010.

For all my kidding about Kallio - I have to say that I was a huge fan of his
when he was riding the KTM and if he can just get his ego in check - he
may yet pan out as a Ducati rider.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 8 2009, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For all my kidding about Kallio - I have to say that I was a huge fan of his
when he was riding the KTM and if he can just get his ego in check - he
may yet pan out as a Ducati rider.

If it makes any difference, on the latest update on his website he says that "I can be quite happy in that I was always well in the pace of top 10, but the results were often hurt by technical difficulties and a few mistakes of my own" (rough translation)

The season might not have been good for various reasons, but the ending has been fantastic for Ducati. The renewed Ducati Stoner found when he came back from his 3-race break wasn't the same he had left, it is an improved model (the new fairing is just the outer shell, underneath it is practically the GP10). I think Stoner's stellar performance in these last few races is a very good omen for next year, and Ducati and Casey will start as favorites

Anyone know what happened to Stoner on the warm up lap?

kinda smacked of an engine seize to me?

But I guess we will never hear if that is the case?

I wonder if Duc. is imploding in the current economic climate, lets face it all the big guys are screaming "poor" so how is it for Duc.? 2010 may be more of a telltale year for them in many ways, lets face it the credit they got with the 07 win has to start running out some day ....... even the italian creditors will bail if things don't pick up soon.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Nov 9 2009, 06:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just say things as I see them... I don't hate Stoner in any way. I think it is quite "clear" that that the reason for his inability to race those 3 races was/is "unclear".

And yes, it was meant to be taken with humour. I guess I should add a smiley everytime I joke. Don't get offended so easily.

Unclear??? The guy was sick and couldn't race. He took 3 races off to recover. He recovered and came back and won 2 races and finished 2nd in the other. What is so unclear about that?

As for humour...man come on at least try and be funny rather than such a lame attempt at humour. At least work on your delivery if you are going to try to be funny with such a beaten to death by the bopper, topic.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Nov 9 2009, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyone know what happened to Stoner on the warm up lap?

kinda smacked of an engine seize to me?

But I guess we will never hear if that is the case?

I wonder if Duc. is imploding in the current economic climate, lets face it all the big guys are screaming "poor" so how is it for Duc.? 2010 may be more of a telltale year for them in many ways, lets face it the credit they got with the 07 win has to start running out some day ....... even the italian creditors will bail if things don't pick up soon.


The story is - for the last two years Casey puts his hand up and lets the field go by in warmup then gets out and catches up really quickly, beds the tyre in and gets it nice and hot. Then lines up last and goes.

He has a instant first corner advantage.

Except it didn't work this time. There is a press release somewhere that says "Ducati is reconsidering its warm up strategy. I watched him do it at PI. He lets them go, then wicks it up. Good when it works but this time was bitten by a cool tyre and a cooler track.

Casey was also pretty cool about it and in his release he said (paraphrased) "I'd rather bugger it up in a throwaway season end then in race 1 next year".

As for the season. Ducati has a long way to go. Casey can win at will when he is healthy, and even when he crashes out in warmup he does so having been the fastest every session. No one else can ride the horrible thing and plenty has been said about that, although Nicki was looking a lot better on it at the end.

They are apparently are dropping the screamer firing order next year to smooth it out. I think the screamer has run its race in the high revving 800's. Although, given 1000's are coming back I don't think anyone will be shelling out huge amounts on development.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Nov 8 2009, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyone know what happened to Stoner on the warm up lap?

kinda smacked of an engine seize to me?

But I guess we will never hear if that is the case?

I wonder if Duc. is imploding in the current economic climate, lets face it all the big guys are screaming "poor" so how is it for Duc.? 2010 may be more of a telltale year for them in many ways, lets face it the credit they got with the 07 win has to start running out some day ....... even the italian creditors will bail if things don't pick up soon.

i cant find it all there was a bit on the BBC.about why casey crashed
Something about how Ducati have to restrict casey on a warm up lap he cant gun it off the grid on the start of the warm up lap as seen before its because they are tight on fuel comsumption.etc
he never blasts around the warm up lap..

Filippo Preziosi:

“We’ve been using this grid strategy for the past two seasons, but the only risk is that the tyres are colder than they should be for the warm-up lap We obviously need to change this for the future and make sure there is enough temperature in the tyre. It is the first time it has happened in two years but once is already too much so we will look to improve on that. We have some ideas already and we will have something different in place for the first race of next season.”

that's his reply to suzy perry..she asked something about casey taking his time on the warm up laps and not gunning it and thats when it got to talking about fuel and what they have been doing the last few seasons

Casey isn't allowed to do a real hot warmup lap.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Nov 9 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The story is - for the last two years Casey puts his hand up and lets the field go by in warmup then gets out and catches up really quickly, beds the tyre in and gets it nice and hot. Then lines up last and goes.

He has a instant first corner advantage.

Except it didn't work this time. There is a press release somewhere that says "Ducati is reconsidering its warm up strategy. I watched him do it at PI. He lets them go, then wicks it up. Good when it works but this time was bitten by a cool tyre and a cooler track.

Casey was also pretty cool about it and in his release he said (paraphrased) "I'd rather bugger it up in a throwaway season end then in race 1 next year".

As for the season. Ducati has a long way to go. Casey can win at will when he is healthy, and even when he crashes out in warmup he does so having been the fastest every session. No one else can ride the horrible thing and plenty has been said about that, although Nicki was looking a lot better on it at the end.

They are apparently are dropping the screamer firing order next year to smooth it out. I think the screamer has run its race in the high revving 800's. Although, given 1000's are coming back I don't think anyone will be shelling out huge amounts on development.

So no screamer firing order for the GP10?? Where did you get this info from mate?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Nov 9 2009, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So no screamer firing order for the GP10?? Where did you get this info from mate?


It was in last weeks Australian Motor cycle news - I believe it has been planned for a while as a solution to the 1 rider only issue that Ducati has.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Nov 9 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It was in last weeks Australian Motor cycle news - I believe it has been planned for a while as a solution to the 1 rider only issue that Ducati has.
Also darryl beattie in the coverage of the PI race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 9 2009, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Also darryl beattie in the coverage of the PI race.


Sitting at Siberia I couldn't hear any of that over

(a) motorcycles (lots of them)
(b ) my own uncontrollable shivering.

Suffice to say I think it has been discussed enough to be an "established" strongly supported rumour.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Nov 9 2009, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Unclear??? The guy was sick and couldn't race.

I think wander wonders about exactly what illness was it? I am not sure I've heard the official final diagnose of precisely which illness either, do you have a link directly from Stoner or Ducati's website? Perhaps it can help other Riders (Sportsmen) to prevent such illness in the future.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Nov 9 2009, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He took 3 races off to recover. He recovered and came back and won 2 races and finished 2nd in the other. What is so unclear about that?

This is 'Not' unclear at all. (Nor about the last win from Pedrosa, second for Rossi and third for Lorenzo either, the usual).