Dovizioso criticises rider aids

Maybe he should turn them off, and see how well he goes then?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 17 2007, 06:33 PM) [snapback]101267[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
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Obviously just another Rossi fanboy that doesn't know what he is talking about.

well he should have no troubles in winning the WC this year then

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 17 2007, 10:33 PM) [snapback]101291[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Stoner didn't win on his non-factory honda in his first season... why would you think Dovi should?


Simple - criticizing TC is perceived as providing an excuse for Rossi's defeat, so it must be ......... But even saying that TC is great would not do, because then it could be perceived as detracting from the merits of the rider. So there's no way to speak about it normally Someone should tell Dovi to just shut up!

Interesting to note that TC has never been an object of Rossi's complaints. He complained about engine and about tyres, but left TC alone. When he mentioned it, he said he was not enthusiastic and it was another area where yamaha lagged behind, but it was too important for safety to think of removing it.
Which is fair I think...

there is no place for traction control in motogp. if the riders in favor of it have such a concern for their own safety i can't understand why they chose racing motorcycles as a profession

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DirtyD86 @ Nov 19 2007, 11:01 AM) [snapback]101455[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
there is no place for traction control in motogp. if the riders in favor of it have such a concern for their own safety i can't understand why they chose racing motorcycles as a profession


100% spot-on - get rid of it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DirtyD86 @ Nov 19 2007, 04:01 PM) [snapback]101455[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
there is no place for traction control in motogp. if the riders in favor of it have such a concern for their own safety i can't understand why they chose racing motorcycles as a profession


Yeah...
Real soldiers do not wear kevlar helmets or bulletproof jackets - they go gung-ho!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 20 2007, 12:17 AM) [snapback]101509[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah...
Real soldiers do not wear kevlar helmets or bulletproof jackets - they go gung-ho!



Exactly, and when sheene and Roberts were busy trying to invent back protectors and change the sport to be safer, they were just being sissy's.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DirtyD86 @ Nov 19 2007, 03:01 PM) [snapback]101455[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
there is no place for traction control in motogp. if the riders in favor of it have such a concern for their own safety i can't understand why they chose racing motorcycles as a profession



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 20 2007, 10:52 AM) [snapback]101558[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Exactly, and when sheene and Roberts were busy trying to invent back protectors and change the sport to be safer, they were just being sissy's.

Coffee - wake up and smell it.

This is supposed to be racing.

Of course we don't want the riders involved in the sport to not have or develop safety <u>equipment</u>, but when the "safety" undermines the sport then you get F1.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 21 2007, 10:01 PM) [snapback]101800[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i never thought bikes could go this far, i'm shocked with how good the development is.

but sport should always be about skill not about what bike your on.

+1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Nov 18 2007, 04:40 AM) [snapback]101268[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Maybe he should turn them off, and see how well he goes then?

I think you've misunderstood his sentiments. He is not arguing that it is not easier to go fast with traction control. He is arguing that the traction control is making it too easy to go fast, as the traditional domain of the rider has become the bike's domain.

No doubt it makes it easier to go fast. But isn't throttle control the domain of the rider, not the bike?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 22 2007, 09:01 AM) [snapback]101800[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i never thought bikes could go this far, i'm shocked with how good the development is.

but sport should always be about skill not about what bike your on.


So this year we had one of the most dominant winning performances .... of all time .... and you say its the bike .... irrespective of the fact his very teammate, on the same bike, did not perform anywhwere near Stoner.

This year Stoner showed what happens when a rider is on the boil. It made for a great year of racing. But because some folks idol did not perform as of his past level, you say it was anything but Stoner.

The guy won 10 rounds this season, some of them amazing rides ( laguna, Donnington, Brno, Misano, PI, Qatar, Catalunya, China, finished Motegi ), equalled the alltimebest season score ..... against an alltime best rider as well as folk like Pedrosa, on the same bike as Capi, lives with a hot chic ...... to say that took no skill ....... I can't even begin to understand the religious mentality that would cause folk to be able to block that out and come up with the underlying thought that the rider needs no skill

Pedrosa couldn't do it ... and he's no slouch
Rossi couldn't do it .....and he's no slouch

How are you going to go each year, in the futue, as the man you idolise gets slower and slower?? Maybe its time to watch motogp for another reason??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 22 2007, 01:04 PM) [snapback]101822[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
So this year we had one of the most dominant winning performances .... of all time .... and you say its the bike .... irrespective of the fact his very teammate, on the same bike, did not perform anywhwere near Stoner.

This year Stoner showed what happens when a rider is on the boil. It made for a great year of racing. But because some folks idol did not perform as of his past level, you say it was anything but Stoner.

The guy won 10 rounds this season, some of them amazing rides ( laguna, Donnington, Brno, Misano, PI, Qatar, Catalunya, China, finished Motegi ), equalled the alltimebest season score ..... against an alltime best rider as well as folk like Pedrosa, on the same bike as Capi, lives with a hot chic ...... to say that took no skill ....... I can't even begin to understand the religious mentality that would cause folk to be able to block that out and come up with the underlying thought that the rider needs no skill

Pedrosa couldn't do it ... and he's no slouch
Rossi couldn't do it .....and he's no slouch

How are you going to go each year, in the futue, as the man you idolise gets slower and slower?? Maybe its time to watch motogp for another reason??



Don't bother mate seriously.

There is nothing wrong with the sport except Vale didn't win the championship the last 2 years. Do you really believe these guys would be waffling on about electronics & tyres and how the sport is doomed if Valentino had won? Not a chance.
It's like a friggen broken record.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 19 2007, 07:17 PM) [snapback]101509[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah...
Real soldiers do not wear kevlar helmets or bulletproof jackets - they go gung-ho!




this is a terrible analogy but i somewhat see your point. i still feel that this is a sport where if your heart is not into it 100%, you should be doing something else. risks included. most divisions of motorcycle racing do not feature traction control, and i see no reason why motogp should be any different. technology will soon bring these bikes to a point where the man in the saddle is no longer a part of the equation. they could just as well be racing on rails

back protectors, more effective suits, etc, anything that is designed to protect the rider in the event of him being seperated from the bike, i am all for. even the airbags in development, which some think is taking safety to ridiculous levels, i support. however, safety measures which change the way the bike is RIDDEN and in that the sport itself, i have major issues with

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 22 2007, 01:42 PM) [snapback]101832[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
no, the aussies on the forum are a friggen broken record... you's are worse than the americans when Nicky won his solo championship.

and motogp has not been the same for me since 2004 season... in 2005 Rossi won the title way too easy because of TC and the fact his bike was very close to the Honda and nothing else was on the scene.

and now Stoner's bike is away ahead of the rest and its a broken down record.



You are without doubt the most biased of all.

gratz