dovi to replace hayden in 09???

atm marco dont have pressure from ducati so long as casey can single handedly win the WC and the team Championship aswell.

i have always said marco wasnt all that. he won what 3 races in 5 years in motogp. same goes for elias. same goes for hayden.

if your fast your fast, dont need u months and months to "get your head around the new bike" just like stoner was and horhey and dovi.

I know this is a Dovi to replace Hayden thread, BUT given Spies has been mentioned, Kropotkin has an interesting take on this. Have a read;

http://www.motogpmatters.com/

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 24 2008, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if your fast your fast, dont need u months and months to "get your head around the new bike" just like stoner was and horhey and dovi.
We could have said this about Stoner. The 990 was a "New" bike when he got on it, yet, he sucked ... on the 990s then was a genius on the 800s. Did he suddenly become a good rider? I don't think so, I think Stoner was fast but wasn't backed up with what suited him on the Honda. I think its very similar with Hayden. Hes fast, but on something that doesn't suit him. However, this is racing, and the only thing that really matters are results. When Stoner was booted from Honda, it was considered like a demotion, afterall, he was in fact Ducati's third choice (so its not like they planned it) but it worked out as a miracle for both Stoner and Ducati.

So if Hayden gets beat by people with "same" or "lesser" equipment, then yes, he may need to be replaced. But it might not all be a bad thing for him (as long as he doesn't go to another Honda). Look at what the change did for Stoner---from zero to hero. Also, it looks like Collin has a new lease on life changing teams. So who knows, time will tell.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krusty @ Mar 24 2008, 03:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know this is a Dovi to replace Hayden thread, BUT given Spies has been mentioned, Kropotkin has an interesting take on this. Have a read;

http://www.motogpmatters.com/

I don't know if I buy that. What does Aspar have to do with Rizla and Suzuki. I don't remember Nieto getting a test run at the Suzuki and I don't remember hearing about him potentialy getting a couple wild card rides. If Suzuki wants Spies how does Aspar have anything to do with it? Yes Kevin Swantz is pushing for Spies, but I don't buy that Aspar stuff. Sounds like a little Spanish envy if you ask me.

Edwards has said he's having fun again this year and we'll see what happens for next year at the end of this year. So far he's not off to a horrible start so I'm not so sure he won't be back next year.

The Duc is a hard bike to learn. It wouldn't surprise me if the trio of melandri, Elias and Guintoli all get another crack at it next year. Who better to replace them anyway? I don't think Hayden will pass on a customer Honda bike for a Customer Ducati bike. So I don't see Hayden on the Ducati. Just a simple swap with Dovi unless somehow Nakano is out and he ends up on the Gresini. But I think Nakano stays, he's the token remember?

It is the beginning of the year and yes only one race has been run. But it's been in my mind even before Last year ended that Dovi would be sitting on the Repsol in 09. So hows that for an early prediction? Just have to wait and see what happens now. I def could be very wrong. And you guys sure can be a boring bunch. I myself find it fun in speculating. Thats all it is afterall, no matter how early it is. Don't be scared to have an opinion!

BTW, I don't believe in a Honda/Hayden conspiracy. Yes Dani is the Number 1 rider depsite what's in anyones contract but I think Honda gives Nicky what he needs. He's just not getting it done. I just don't think the 800's suit him, as much as I like the guy, he needs to go to WSBK where he can and deserves to win.

I'm done with this thread......for now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 24 2008, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We could have said this about Stoner. The 990 was a "New" bike when he got on it, yet, he sucked ... on the 990s then was a genius on the 800s. Did he suddenly become a good rider? I don't think so, I think Stoner was fast but wasn't backed up with what suited him on the Honda. I think its very similar with Hayden. Hes fast, but on something that doesn't suit him. However, this is racing, and the only thing that really matters are results. When Stoner was booted from Honda, it was considered like a demotion, afterall, he was in fact Ducati's third choice (so its not like they planned it) but it worked out as a miracle for both Stoner and Ducati.

So if Hayden gets beat by people with "same" or "lesser" equipment, then yes, he may need to be replaced. But it might not all be a bad thing for him (as long as he doesn't go to another Honda). Look at what the change did for Stoner---from zero to hero. Also, it looks like Collin has a new lease on life changing teams. So who knows, time will tell.

ya its still early but could'nt the same analogy in reverse be said about marco
i'm sure he's a hero to some (his mum)

we'll have to wait and see but i dont think the 800cc are for hayden, but thats just me, a move to WSBK would probably be better for the guy or just stop racing if he thinks he's too good for WSBK or mabey a move to the world supermoto championship that i would really like to see hayden is great on the motards

its all fun speculation at this stage

as for colin its just his qualifying that was good, his race was average same as 90% of his other races

If anything at all happens with Honda and Hayden,which at this point is WAAAY to early to tell.I say .... WSB,come on home where you know the tracks,you have huge fanbase and could get paid just about whatever you want.Are you listening DAYTONA GROUP,This is the savior of AMA Superbike that might just be available.Money should not be an issue,a couple of phone calls and sponsorship would be set.Hayden Hill would be born again and the AMA would look like genious,Let the good times roll

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 25 2008, 03:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We could have said this about Stoner. The 990 was a "New" bike when he got on it, yet, he sucked ... on the 990s then was a genius on the 800s. Did he suddenly become a good rider? I don't think so, I think Stoner was fast but wasn't backed up with what suited him on the Honda. I think its very similar with Hayden. Hes fast, but on something that doesn't suit him. However, this is racing, and the only thing that really matters are results. When Stoner was booted from Honda, it was considered like a demotion, afterall, he was in fact Ducati's third choice (so its not like they planned it) but it worked out as a miracle for both Stoner and Ducati.

So if Hayden gets beat by people with "same" or "lesser" equipment, then yes, he may need to be replaced. But it might not all be a bad thing for him (as long as he doesn't go to another Honda). Look at what the change did for Stoner---from zero to hero. Also, it looks like Collin has a new lease on life changing teams. So who knows, time will tell.


sucked ... on the 990?? stoner first race he got pole and a 2nd in the race.... yeah was really slow. inst that what horhey did last week and everyone is lauding horhey as a future WC, but did it on a factory bike, but when stoner done the same thing (on a satellite bike) he is still .....

end of day yes he crashed, but he showed blistering speeds, especially at the start of the season, prob coz the factory bike got more and more development during the year and stoner had to ride harder and harder just to keep up on his satellite bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 25 2008, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sucked ... on the 990?? stoner first race he got pole and a 2nd in the race....

Bet Honda/HRC/Repsol loved that

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 24 2008, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sucked ... on the 990?? stoner first race he got pole and a 2nd in the race.... yeah was really slow. inst that what horhey did last week and everyone is lauding horhey as a future WC, but did it on a factory bike, but when stoner done the same thing (on a satellite bike) he is still .....

end of day yes he crashed, but he showed blistering speeds, especially at the start of the season, prob coz the factory bike got more and more development during the year and stoner had to ride harder and harder just to keep up on his satellite bike.

What season are you referring to? Certainly not 2006.

In Stoner's first race he qualified 15th and finished sixth. In his second race he took pole, then destroyed his tires and finished a distant fifth. Turkey was a very impressive 2nd. In China he came a respectable fifth. A solid fourth in LeMans.

Then the wheels fell off (literally) at Mugello.

He lasted 5 races on a 990 before he started throwing it down the road out of fatigue and frustration.

Stoner is a great rider, but it didn't start in 2006. That was the season he got all the immaturity out of his system.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 24 2008, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sucked ... on the 990?? stoner first race he got pole and a 2nd in the race.... yeah was really slow. inst that what horhey did last week and everyone is lauding horhey as a future WC, but did it on a factory bike, but when stoner done the same thing (on a satellite bike) he is still .....

end of day yes he crashed, but he showed blistering speeds, especially at the start of the season, prob coz the factory bike got more and more development during the year and stoner had to ride harder and harder just to keep up on his satellite bike.
Pinks (&Barry), You may want to check your facts again. Stoner had a total of one podium that entire year, in 16 starts. Not to mention the self inflicted DNFs. The fact is, he did suck ... on the 990s (with brief momentary brilliance) and only became a genius on the 800s. Lets not go trying to rewrite history now. Your point about ‘if your fast your fast’ doesn't fly with Stoner, historically speaking in the premier class. He flew when the bikes changed and suited his riding style.

Look, I like Stoner, and have defended him from any detractors of his performance, but lets not go all crazy and say what is not, and rewrite history to suit your erroneous assumptions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 24 2008, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if your fast your fast, dont need u months and months to "get your head around the new bike" just like stoner
Wrong! Check your facts.

Edwards is mud and hopefully will go and wallow in it somewhere else. The guy had an ordinary race finishing in front of 2 ..... suzukis, 2 ..... kawis, 3 ..... ducatis, 3 ..... hondas. Great work colin, you managed not to fall off. Lets not forget he got beat by his team mate, who just had his first MotoGP race and 2 other Yamaha's, he was the last of the best bike out there.

He dished up the same excuse "just didn't feel right in the race", recycle, rinse, repeat.

Crystal ball gazing time

Hayden should take Edwards seat, the bike will be well developed by 2 front runners, one american supplants another. It seems to be the bike with the widest working range, that could all change of course.

As Jumkie pointed out the season is long and Nicky is a fighter. On the other hand, if one of the satellite rider starts performing well, I don't think HRC has had a problem in giving them more support.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Mar 24 2008, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Edwards is mud and hopefully will go and wallow in it somewhere else. The guy had an ordinary race finishing in front of 2 ..... suzukis, 2 ..... kawis, 3 ..... ducatis, 3 ..... hondas. Great work colin, you managed not to fall off. Lets not forget he got beat by his team mate, who just had his first MotoGP race and 2 other Yamaha's, he was the last of the best bike out there.

He dished up the same excuse "just didn't feel right in the race", recycle, rinse, repeat.

Crystal ball gazing time

Hayden should take Edwards seat, the bike will be well developed by 2 front runners, one american supplants another. It seems to be the bike with the widest working range, that could all change of course.

Dude, what do you have against Edwards man? It wasn't that bad. Oh well, I only have enough energy to defend one American, and it seems I have my hands full with Hayden, so you can have poor Colin.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 25 2008, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>(&Barry), You may want to check your facts again. Stoner had a total of one podium that entire year, in 16 starts. ....
Wrong! Check your facts.

Where did I say anything like that?

Might want to take a leaf out of your own fruitcake there

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 24 2008, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Where did I saw anything like that?

Might want to take a leaf out of your own fruitcake there
You said it when you gave your unmitigated approval to what Pinks said (which was wrong), with your resounding endorsement.

Let me break it down for you like this, if person A. (pinks) says something wrong, and person B. (that’s you) pats him on the back and says, ata-boy, then both A & B look like fools. (Didn’t I tell you to get a logic book and read through it?)

Its interesting how you and pinks had no problem claiming you knew the truth to what lex was saying about shooshing the crowd, but here pinks comes out with some undisputable wrong facts, you pat him on the back for it (now both look foolish), keep in mind and we are talking about the historical record here, not some interpretation of what might have been on some vid/pic.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 25 2008, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You said it when you gave your unmitigated approval to what Pinks said (which was wrong), with your resounding endorsement.

Let me break it down for you like this, if person A. (pinks) says something wrong, and person B. (that’s you) pats him on the back and says, ata-boy, then both A & B look like fools. (Didn’t I tell you to get a logic book and read through it?)

Its interesting how you and pinks had no problem claiming you knew the truth to what lex was saying about shooshing the crowd, but here pinks comes out with some undisputable wrong facts, you pat him on the back for it (now both look foolish), keep in mind and we are talking about the historical record here, not some interpretation of what might have been on some vid/pic.


Oh so no real facts just a "feeling" or " something you are presupposing" or even "composing in your mind" ..... I see .....


I just checked again ..... I can't see any such thing as you suggest Junkie ...... maybe you are seeing/imagining things. Where is this "glaring endorsement" of which you speak?

I think you are taking the Hayden situation way to much to heart Junkie .... Maybe you should use you head a bit over it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 24 2008, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just checked again ..... I can't see any such thing as you suggest Junkie ...... maybe you are seeing/imagining things. Where is this "glaring endorsement" of which you speak?
Harry, do you have as much fun with pinky as you do with your imaginary friends?

Click here for your imaginary endorsement...

If case you have a problem with the link, I'll get post it below:

Pinky delcares: "sucked ... on the 990?? stoner first race he got pole and a 2nd in the race...."

And harry quotes him with his ata-boy below:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 24 2008, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bet Honda/HRC/Repsol loved that

Get your facts straight before you go endorsing .........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 25 2008, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Harry, do you have as much fun with pinky as you do with your imaginary friends?

Click here for your imaginary endorsement...

If case you have a problem with the link, I'll get post it below:

Pinky delcares: "sucked ... on the 990?? stoner first race he got pole and a 2nd in the race...."

And harry quotes him with his ata-boy below:



Get your facts straight before you go endorsing .........

Thats a comment on how HRC/Repsol would have recieved a satellite rider coming in over their riders ..... you are a sad .... person Junk You are losing it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 25 2008, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Dude, what do you have against Edwards man? It wasn't that bad. Oh well, I only have enough energy to defend one American, and it seems I have my hands full with Hayden, so you can have poor Colin.
Edwards just doesn't cut it in MotoGP and never will. We've seen the best of Edwards on a MotoGP bike and that was years ago. I'd rather see him battle at the front in AMA or WSBK than take a seat in GP's with very little chance of getting near the front.

Edwards, take Bayliss' Ducati next year or Bostrom's Yamaha you dope.

i think this is most important part of the report

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>should Hayden choose to leave HRC.