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Well thats 2 sources I have heard that reported now ..... Daryl Beattie mentioned something to that effect today.
It'd take something amazing to lift Haydens coming year I would think, doesn't sound to much fun in store for him.
It'd take something amazing to lift Haydens coming year I would think, doesn't sound to much fun in store for him.
well really it's all down to him. to the contrary of what alot of people say or believe, it's really his poor performances that are his undoing. everyone likes to blame honda, puig, pedrosa, tires, clutch whatever but it really just boils down to his really poor performances. his seeming inability to ride around problems. hell he's the slowest honda out there with the exception of nokango who will surely be gone next season. he better have a major turn around in performance real soon. i've folowed him from the beginning of his career & it pains me to say this stuff but facts is facts. if he can't get the job done well then it's time to move on.
I think Hayden may be gone as well. Usually there is some truth to the rumours one they start floating like this. Hayden will have to stpup and really give it a go.
Go point on Hayden being really slow amongst all of the Honda's while he is on the Factory package. Hayden will have to learn to ride 250 style.
I really think that this is what is happening to Hayden. The 800's are just big 250s and his style doesn't suit the bike. The only superbike guy that is doing pretty decent is JToseland. And at this time JT's lack of Pneumatic engine may mask any riding style issues that he may have.
Go point on Hayden being really slow amongst all of the Honda's while he is on the Factory package. Hayden will have to learn to ride 250 style.
I really think that this is what is happening to Hayden. The 800's are just big 250s and his style doesn't suit the bike. The only superbike guy that is doing pretty decent is JToseland. And at this time JT's lack of Pneumatic engine may mask any riding style issues that he may have.
Even if Nicky finds himself out at Honda, he will find a ride on a factory squad. He might not fit with the 800cc style of riding, but he is a WC, and a marketing team's dream guy. His Michelin commerical with the spong shows his abilities on the marketing side.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Mar 23 2008, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Even if Nicky finds himself out at Honda, he will find a ride on a factory squad. He might not fit with the 800cc style of riding, but he is a WC, and a marketing team's dream guy. His Michelin commerical with the spong shows his abilities on the marketing side.
I agree, he won a world championship after all. Even if honda don't keep him he'll still be in GPs. Cripes, look how long Hopkins has stuck around with all of 4 podiums, no wins, no championships.
I agree, he won a world championship after all. Even if honda don't keep him he'll still be in GPs. Cripes, look how long Hopkins has stuck around with all of 4 podiums, no wins, no championships.
Nicky to Ducati,Dovi on a factory Honda and Marco to Dovi`s ride,hell knows the contract implications but it makes sense........doesn`t it??
There isn't a lot of talent for the picking next year, not like this years group anyway. The 250cc class is filled with the best of the rest of in 250 riders that didn't cut it last year, and WSBK is being dominated by a buch of old has been MotoGP riders. Maybe Bautista will start to shine, but he better dominate to earn a motogp spot, and I'm not so sure he can even win a championship. Pasini has one arm smaller then the other and I don't know he'll ever get a shot at MotoGP. Kallio hasn't shown me anything special to this point, and Barbara is too old and a careless rider.
So Spies will be in(even though Maladin smokes him this year), probably in place of Caparossi (they should get rid of Vermulen) which mean Caparossi needs a seat.
Hayden will be out and Dovi in, meaning Hayden needs a seat and Mintron's team needs a rider.
West will be out meaning Kawasaki will need a rider.
We now have two riders and two seats. I think Hayden will stay Honda loyal and he'll have first choice over Loris. That Leaves Caparossi to Kawi unless Roger Hayden manages to impress in a couple wild card appearences.
Loris could be out of MotoGP unless Gresini unloads Nakano. But for some reason I don't think Honda or MotoGP will let Gresini dump him. He's the token jap after all in a field riddled with Jap bikes.
So to recap, Spies is in and West is out for sure. There will be a little rider shuffle within and potentialy Caparossi or Nakano could go out with Roger Hayden in (but I doubt it)
So Spies will be in(even though Maladin smokes him this year), probably in place of Caparossi (they should get rid of Vermulen) which mean Caparossi needs a seat.
Hayden will be out and Dovi in, meaning Hayden needs a seat and Mintron's team needs a rider.
West will be out meaning Kawasaki will need a rider.
We now have two riders and two seats. I think Hayden will stay Honda loyal and he'll have first choice over Loris. That Leaves Caparossi to Kawi unless Roger Hayden manages to impress in a couple wild card appearences.
Loris could be out of MotoGP unless Gresini unloads Nakano. But for some reason I don't think Honda or MotoGP will let Gresini dump him. He's the token jap after all in a field riddled with Jap bikes.
So to recap, Spies is in and West is out for sure. There will be a little rider shuffle within and potentialy Caparossi or Nakano could go out with Roger Hayden in (but I doubt it)
Capirex has said that he will retire next year I believe. I think that Nakano will stay unless another Japanese 250 guy is ready for the the Big Class. Something about Motogp being the United Colors of Beneton or something.
Anways...
Westy is gone for sure but I don't see Nicky Hayden landing in Kawak.
I am looking for Spies to come in and be a middle to end of the pack rider.. Not because he is not a good rider but I don't think that Suzuki so far is up to snuff with its development so if they don't get it right quickly they will be mid to end packers again.
I hope that Nicky gets the Ducati Ride. That for one would be great. He may be able to ride the bucking bronco of Bolonga as well as Casey. He(Nicky) has all but said he is a Honda man..
So I am hoping that he and CEII will come back to a revamped AMA.
Hey I can only hope that the both would come back and head up a nice Honda One-Two back in the US
Anways...
Westy is gone for sure but I don't see Nicky Hayden landing in Kawak.
I am looking for Spies to come in and be a middle to end of the pack rider.. Not because he is not a good rider but I don't think that Suzuki so far is up to snuff with its development so if they don't get it right quickly they will be mid to end packers again.
I hope that Nicky gets the Ducati Ride. That for one would be great. He may be able to ride the bucking bronco of Bolonga as well as Casey. He(Nicky) has all but said he is a Honda man..
So I am hoping that he and CEII will come back to a revamped AMA.
Hey I can only hope that the both would come back and head up a nice Honda One-Two back in the US
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (projekZERO @ Mar 24 2008, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So Spies will be in(even though Maladin smokes him this year), probably in place of Caparossi (they should get rid of Vermulen) which mean Caparossi needs a seat.
So to recap, Spies is in and West is out for sure.
Why CV ahead of Loris? - There's a lot of more underperformed riders on the grid than CV.
Where did you hear Spies is in and West is gone for sure? I think you may have just decided that this is how it's gonna be.
So to recap, Spies is in and West is out for sure.
Why CV ahead of Loris? - There's a lot of more underperformed riders on the grid than CV.
Where did you hear Spies is in and West is gone for sure? I think you may have just decided that this is how it's gonna be.
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Did the season end or something? Lots of plans and concluding statements with one race in the season.
Frost, Hayden has one bad year, and now he's suddenly forgotten how to ride a bike with no explanation that you can fathom? Maybe you're right...ore maybe short memory or disbelief? You seem very willing to dispatch the reality of the future of MotoGP.
Oh well, enough said, let the season roll on. "Only" 17 rounds to go.
Frost, Hayden has one bad year, and now he's suddenly forgotten how to ride a bike with no explanation that you can fathom? Maybe you're right...ore maybe short memory or disbelief? You seem very willing to dispatch the reality of the future of MotoGP.
Oh well, enough said, let the season roll on. "Only" 17 rounds to go.
Right on Jumkie!
Remember folks, Nicky was not on the 2008 bike with the better engine. He was on the same bike he has the sh!tty season last year.
Remember folks, Nicky was not on the 2008 bike with the better engine. He was on the same bike he has the sh!tty season last year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 23 2008, 06:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well really it's all down to him. to the contrary of what alot of people say or believe, it's really his poor performances that are his undoing. everyone likes to blame honda, puig, pedrosa, tires, clutch whatever but it really just boils down to his really poor performances. his seeming inability to ride around problems. hell he's the slowest honda out there with the exception of nokango who will surely be gone next season. he better have a major turn around in performance real soon. i've folowed him from the beginning of his career & it pains me to say this stuff but facts is facts. if he can't get the job done well then it's time to move on.
His poor performances really are abominable but he doesn't have trouble riding a bike through set up problems. He rode the development bike to a championship with only 1 practice session per weekend. The entire 2006 season was a set up problem.
The thing Nicky can't ride through is people screwing with his frame. Nicky is a feel rider. When you mess with his frame and he can't get feedback from the front, he is pretty much useless.
It won't surprise me if Nicky loses his seat, it won't surprise me if he doesn't. What 250cc rider is going to sacrifice his career to develop for Honda? If Nicky is booted from the factory squad he will probably be a test rider for team Gresini. Who knows? If HRC keep him supplied with current parts and the bridgestones suit him, he may be better off.
His poor performances really are abominable but he doesn't have trouble riding a bike through set up problems. He rode the development bike to a championship with only 1 practice session per weekend. The entire 2006 season was a set up problem.
The thing Nicky can't ride through is people screwing with his frame. Nicky is a feel rider. When you mess with his frame and he can't get feedback from the front, he is pretty much useless.
It won't surprise me if Nicky loses his seat, it won't surprise me if he doesn't. What 250cc rider is going to sacrifice his career to develop for Honda? If Nicky is booted from the factory squad he will probably be a test rider for team Gresini. Who knows? If HRC keep him supplied with current parts and the bridgestones suit him, he may be better off.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 24 2008, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If somebody beats him on the "same" equipment, then ok, we can talk about this at the end of the season. Until then, seems rather premature to be even talking about this for my blood.
How about if someone beats him on "sub" equipment? ...... ala .... Dovi
How about if someone beats him on "sub" equipment? ...... ala .... Dovi
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Mar 23 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why CV ahead of Loris? - There's a lot of more underperformed riders on the grid than CV.
Where did you hear Spies is in and West is gone for sure? I think you may have just decided that this is how it's gonna be.
While I think Vermi will give Suzuki a decent rider for more years. I think Capi is a better rider period. Vermi isn't so young that I think he's going to get tons better. And I really don't think he's champion material. I think Capi finishes several spot in front of Vermi this year, actually I think Vermi struggles into the top 10. There are worse riders in the field though, and I don't think it matters cause I don't see Vermi going anywhere for now.
All this is a lot to assume the first race into the season but I stand behind my opinion. The things I feel strongly about about are
West will be out. Just look at the pic where he and Hopper are sitting on the bikes facing eachother, Guy has admitted he is not in shape. He needs to lay off the twinkies though (bad Westy, no donut!).
Spies will be in on the Suzuki. I think we can all see this one coming.
Dovi will be on the Repsol. Hayden is a great guy and one of my fav riders. The 800's don't suit him. As great as Hayden is and what he has done for Honda. Dovi is too hot and just as Loyal to Honda. If Hayden's contract had expired last year it wouldnt have surprised me if Dovi was already on the Repsol. Hayden will not be out of the GP's though. I seriously doubt it. He's still better then half the field and still a world champ.
If Capi said he was going to retire I missed that. Just means Roger Hayden just may get a ride afterall. There isn't much anywhere else, they are already eye balling him, and he did fairly well in his run, finishing better then West might I add.
Where did you hear Spies is in and West is gone for sure? I think you may have just decided that this is how it's gonna be.
While I think Vermi will give Suzuki a decent rider for more years. I think Capi is a better rider period. Vermi isn't so young that I think he's going to get tons better. And I really don't think he's champion material. I think Capi finishes several spot in front of Vermi this year, actually I think Vermi struggles into the top 10. There are worse riders in the field though, and I don't think it matters cause I don't see Vermi going anywhere for now.
All this is a lot to assume the first race into the season but I stand behind my opinion. The things I feel strongly about about are
West will be out. Just look at the pic where he and Hopper are sitting on the bikes facing eachother, Guy has admitted he is not in shape. He needs to lay off the twinkies though (bad Westy, no donut!).
Spies will be in on the Suzuki. I think we can all see this one coming.
Dovi will be on the Repsol. Hayden is a great guy and one of my fav riders. The 800's don't suit him. As great as Hayden is and what he has done for Honda. Dovi is too hot and just as Loyal to Honda. If Hayden's contract had expired last year it wouldnt have surprised me if Dovi was already on the Repsol. Hayden will not be out of the GP's though. I seriously doubt it. He's still better then half the field and still a world champ.
If Capi said he was going to retire I missed that. Just means Roger Hayden just may get a ride afterall. There isn't much anywhere else, they are already eye balling him, and he did fairly well in his run, finishing better then West might I add.
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1 race in the official rumours have started....I was way off on my prediction of the official rumours starting around Mugello, but at this rate Dovi could be signed to Repsol by Mugello....
Just for the record....Nicky is a great rider, and the 990s suited him (and Marco), but the 800s have moved the goal posts and Hayden's natural talent has not compensated so far.... so he is struggling... HRC Repsol is not a nice place to work when you are not dominating....and Nicky is a victim of his lack of consistent success.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ Mar 23 2008, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky to Ducati,Dovi on a factory Honda and Marco to Dovi`s ride,hell knows the contract implications but it makes sense........doesn`t it??
Ducati is saying (in MCN) that they will be supporting Marco for sometime to get used to the bike, so no pressure on him and he can get faster and be happy at Ducati....Keep in mind, Ducati like having an Italian on the team...so Nicky may have to settle for the Elias or Guintoli ride on team alice.
Ducati is saying (in MCN) that they will be supporting Marco for sometime to get used to the bike, so no pressure on him and he can get faster and be happy at Ducati....Keep in mind, Ducati like having an Italian on the team...so Nicky may have to settle for the Elias or Guintoli ride on team alice.
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