Dornas Dirty Deals?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 1 2008, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First of all well done Vale on ya 68th race win....


Having watched last nights race, as i watch every race i was very worried to see Stoner crash out again. What worries me is why all of a sudden is Stoner crashing again, and we cant say pressure cos in the last 2 years we have seen Stoner under Huge pressure and he has never crashed.

I think there may be more going on behind the scenes then we are aware of with tyres...
Bridgestone and Dorna..

1) Why can Stoner dominat free practice, then smash Quali Lap Records, then on sunday he is half a second of his warm up pace..

2) Anyone notice that at the Bruno and Misano GPs Stoner has crashed out on the Seventh Lap?

3) Last year Casey never made bad Tyre Choices and if they wernt the best he would still get the Podium, now this year in atleast 4 races he has had really bad tyre choices and the bike has not behaved like it did in Warmup.

Now im not saying anything about Valentino or the Yamaha Team, im talking about that LITTLE PRICK EZPELETA, Think about it Vale hasnt had a World Title since 05, and i would go as far as saying 95 percent of veiwers across the world watch the race to see Valentino, Dorna cant afford Vale not to win...Anything Ezy does would not surprise me.
Next year there is a Real Possibility that there will be a Control Tyre, what if Ezy promissed that deal to Bridgestone if they made sure Rossi gets the good tyres..
Next years GP09 will most probably dominate, and break records mabee this is Rossi last chance.

I know this sounds likeive just got some Sour Grapes, but before you think that i want you to know that i think Valentino is the greatest ever and ive got huge respect for the man..
I just hope for the sake of all Motorcycle racing fans, for Valentino himself as well, and most importantly Safety of the riders if they are Playing God with the Tyres.

Please lets not turn this into a Stoner vs Rossi thing we have had enough of that.
So what's your point ? Are you saying that DORNA sabotage Stoner and his team ? You can't be serious !? If you read my 'S toner pre-race' thread, maybe you should reconsider your personal opinion. Oh and I know it's not easy watching your boy gone down, just like myself in the last 2 seasons

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 1 2008, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First of all well done Vale on ya 68th race win....


Having watched last nights race, as i watch every race i was very worried to see Stoner crash out again. What worries me is why all of a sudden is Stoner crashing again, and we cant say pressure cos in the last 2 years we have seen Stoner under Huge pressure and he has never crashed.

I think there may be more going on behind the scenes then we are aware of with tyres...
Bridgestone and Dorna..


Ahh but we can, there is a huge difference between this year and last year, I'm going to sound like a broken record, but.. At Laguna the cracks appeared and it has done serious damage to Caseys mentality, he will do anything to stay ahead and that includes pushing himself too far

I think you should look for Lex's phone number, seems like the two of ye have a lot to talk about, should be great

4573ost_194...96_thumb.jpg]

Since this incident, Casey has been rattled. That wasn't your normal race pressure, that was "Hey!! I just drove through your tighty whities, left some gravel, and took off" pressure. Rossi up and scared the snot out of him at that corner. It planted the seed. I like Stoner, this is just my opinion.

The two races since that pass, Casey jumped to a lead in the beginning. But when he saw his pit board, knowing 46 was coming, he pushed, pushed a bit too hard.

The boy has Rossi on the Brain. As for conspiracy, Dorna doesn't make the tires. Its in Dorna's best interest to see a tight hard fought race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VTtwinner @ Sep 1 2008, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>4573ost_194...96_thumb.jpg]

Since this incident, Casey has been rattled. That wasn't your normal race pressure, that was "Hey!! I just drove through your tighty whities, left some gravel, and took off" pressure. Rossi up and scared the snot out of him at that corner. It planted the seed. I like Stoner, this is just my opinion.

The two races since that pass, Casey jumped to a lead in the beginning. But when he saw his pit board, knowing 46 was coming, he pushed, pushed a bit too hard.

The boy has Rossi on the Brain. As for conspiracy, Dorna doesn't make the tires. Its in Dorna's best interest to see a tight hard fought race.

+1

Even if Dorna could manipulate Bridgestone, in it self a major conspiracy, the technical side of it would be such a massive cover up that it would take a true world conspiracy magnitude to pull it through. Probably near 100 people would have to be involved to make sure Stoner got the "right" tires. All the way from rubber batch, molding with fake id, securing the tracking of fake tires all the way to Stoner's rims the cover up would be absolutly enormous.

I think Stoner is a great talent, but he has succumbed to the pressure. He needs to tale two of these and have a beer.


4575:fukitol.jpg]

There's winning races when you're leading the championship and then there's having to win to catch up in the championship. Thankfully Rossi's not into playing it safe and with a 50 point lead was still going for it despite Stoner's three second lead.

I agree to an extent that Dorna desperately want Rossi to do well this year, he does pull in the viewing figures, but I can't see any conspiricies going on there. Too many people involved.
As far as the Stoner crashing thing goes, I too agree that he is trying to prove he has a little extra to Rossi tp gain a psychological advantage. This appears to have been happening since Laguna. It has been suggested by various commentators that Casey will run softer rubber in free practice and qually in an attempt to gain this. Come the race and he is on harder rubber he has to work that bit harder, and consequently appears to be going down because of it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 1 2008, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First of all well done Vale on ya 68th race win....


Having watched last nights race, as i watch every race i was very worried to see Stoner crash out again. What worries me is why all of a sudden is Stoner crashing again, and we cant say pressure cos in the last 2 years we have seen Stoner under Huge pressure and he has never crashed.

I think there may be more going on behind the scenes then we are aware of with tyres...
Bridgestone and Dorna..

1) Why can Stoner dominat free practice, then smash Quali Lap Records, then on sunday he is half a second of his warm up pace..

2) Anyone notice that at the Bruno and Misano GPs Stoner has crashed out on the Seventh Lap?

3) Last year Casey never made bad Tyre Choices and if they wernt the best he would still get the Podium, now this year in atleast 4 races he has had really bad tyre choices and the bike has not behaved like it did in Warmup.

Now im not saying anything about Valentino or the Yamaha Team, im talking about that LITTLE PRICK EZPELETA, Think about it Vale hasnt had a World Title since 05, and i would go as far as saying 95 percent of veiwers across the world watch the race to see Valentino, Dorna cant afford Vale not to win...Anything Ezy does would not surprise me.
Next year there is a Real Possibility that there will be a Control Tyre, what if Ezy promissed that deal to Bridgestone if they made sure Rossi gets the good tyres..
Next years GP09 will most probably dominate, and break records mabee this is Rossi last chance.

I know this sounds likeive just got some Sour Grapes, but before you think that i want you to know that i think Valentino is the greatest ever and ive got huge respect for the man..
I just hope for the sake of all Motorcycle racing fans, for Valentino himself as well, and most importantly Safety of the riders if they are Playing God with the Tyres.

Please lets not turn this into a Stoner vs Rossi thing we have had enough of that.

I actively search for tire conspiracies nowadays b/c the months of emergency technical meetings in 2007 yielded no serious changes in the rule book. I have amassed tons of circumstantial evidence to suggest the supply of tires was significantly altered after Qatar until Catalunya. But the mass recommendations, the disappearing compounds, the bewilderment of Ducati and Stoner, and the bogus unproductive setups run by Ducati have all stopped since.

I'll begin to believe something is up if Rossi chucks it at PI though. Then I might go back and re-examine what's been going on the last few rounds.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 1 2008, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I actively search for tire conspiracies nowadays b/c the months of emergency technical meetings in 2007 yielded no serious changes in the rule book. I have amassed tons of circumstantial evidence to suggest the supply of tires was significantly altered after Qatar until Catalunya. But the mass recommendations, the disappearing compounds, the bewilderment of Ducati and Stoner, and the bogus unproductive setups run by Ducati have all stopped since.

I'll begin to believe something is up if Rossi chucks it at PI though. Then I might go back and re-examine what's been going on the last few rounds.
Great !!... Feel free to upload it here, Lex !?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Sep 1 2008, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great !!... Feel free to upload it here, Lex !?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Sep 1 2008, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There's winning races when you're leading the championship and then there's having to win to catch up in the championship.

Just ask Biaggi

Well if you look at it Rossi stood to tie a record. He won at a track he never won at until now. He now has one track to race where he didn't win yet and that is Indy. If he wins at Indy he will hold the record for total wins. Dorna needs to set up the champion of champions so after he is done racing he will show his face as the greatest there ever was. Marketing genius I must say. Yeah Stones are doing something a little underhanded I gather since Ezy mighta said that there might not be any moto gp if we don't do something. So they did something and you all get to see the results.

So Dorna are so desperate for Rossi to win the championship that they interfere with his tires on race day? Who do they send to do it? Someone dressed like the ....... hamburglar?

If Dorna wanted Rossi to win; they would ban traction control. They wouldn't force a third party company to start supplying their favourite customer with sub-standard tires on race day. Furthermore it would be the painfully obvious to Ducati if someone was consistently giving them duff race tires after what they can achieve in practice and qualifying - and I am sure that they would say so - or are you claiming that Ducati just bend over and take it from Dorna - and that Stoner is such a little trooper that he'll complain about just about everything else - but won't complain about someone deliberately endangering his life?

The reason that Stoner is slower at the start of the race than he is in practice is because he is carrying more fuel.

What about the crash at Laguna? Was that down to his tires? Funny that he has only started binning it when being pursued by a certain Yamaha when he has been trying to get out in front - why don't the tires throw him off on lap one?

Stoner no longer has the power advantage that he enjoyed last year; he clearly likes to get out in front and disappear - and that is what he has been trying to do in the last two races. He is currently riding with a broken wrist and probably thought that he would struggle in the later part of the race; so he didn't want to be involved in a paint swapping punch up ala Laguna.

Stoner is a great rider and is the only person (so far) to successfully tame the Ducati. He will almost certainly win the championship again - however he is having what is known as "second season syndrome" where a previously relative unknown individual does far better than expected. The pressure in the second season is far greater; because it is no longer unexpected for them to win - and the number one on the front of the bike means that they are the person that everyone else is trying to beat. If Dorna really didn't want Stoner to win the title; why didn't they do something about it last year?

Anyone who actually thinks this - should really consider what they type next time they start on about Rossi "fanboys".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>If Dorna wanted Rossi to win; they would ban traction control. They wouldn't force a third party company to start supplying their favourite customer with sub-standard tires on race day. Furthermore it would be the painfully obvious to Ducati if someone was consistently giving them duff race tires after what they can achieve in practice and qualifying - and I am sure that they would say so - or are you claiming that Ducati just bend over and take it from Dorna - and that Stoner is such a little trooper that he'll complain about just about everything else - but won't complain about someone deliberately endangering his life?

The reason that Stoner is slower at the start of the race than he is in practice is because he is carrying more fuel.

What about the crash at Laguna? Was that down to his tires? Funny that he has only started binning it when being pursued by a certain Yamaha when he has been trying to get out in front - why don't the tires throw him off on lap one?
....... +1 p :
Pull your head out ......... Valentinos broken casey or rather caseys broken casey
Stoner no longer has the power advantage that he enjoyed last year; he clearly likes to get out in front and disappear - and that is what he has been trying to do in the last two races. He is currently riding with a broken wrist and probably thought that he would struggle in the later part of the race; so he didn't want to be involved in a paint swapping punch up ala Laguna.

Stoner is a great rider and is the only person (so far) to successfully tame the Ducati. He will almost certainly win the championship again - however he is having what is known as "second season syndrome" where a previously relative unknown individual does far better than expected. The pressure in the second season is far greater; because it is no longer unexpected for them to win - and the number one on the front of the bike means that they are the person that everyone else is trying to beat. If Dorna really didn't want Stoner to win the title; why didn't they do something about it last year?

Anyone who actually thinks this - should really consider what they type next time they start on about Rossi "fanboys".
+1 just shut the .... up with your conspiracy crap

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 1 2008, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First of all well done Vale on ya 68th race win....


Having watched last nights race, as i watch every race i was very worried to see Stoner crash out again. What worries me is why all of a sudden is Stoner crashing again, and we cant say pressure cos in the last 2 years we have seen Stoner under Huge pressure and he has never crashed.

I think there may be more going on behind the scenes then we are aware of with tyres...
Bridgestone and Dorna..

1) Why can Stoner dominat free practice, then smash Quali Lap Records, then on sunday he is half a second of his warm up pace..

2) Anyone notice that at the Bruno and Misano GPs Stoner has crashed out on the Seventh Lap?

3) Last year Casey never made bad Tyre Choices and if they wernt the best he would still get the Podium, now this year in atleast 4 races he has had really bad tyre choices and the bike has not behaved like it did in Warmup.

Now im not saying anything about Valentino or the Yamaha Team, im talking about that LITTLE PRICK EZPELETA, Think about it Vale hasnt had a World Title since 05, and i would go as far as saying 95 percent of veiwers across the world watch the race to see Valentino, Dorna cant afford Vale not to win...Anything Ezy does would not surprise me.
Next year there is a Real Possibility that there will be a Control Tyre, what if Ezy promissed that deal to Bridgestone if they made sure Rossi gets the good tyres..
Next years GP09 will most probably dominate, and break records mabee this is Rossi last chance.

I know this sounds likeive just got some Sour Grapes, but before you think that i want you to know that i think Valentino is the greatest ever and ive got huge respect for the man..
I just hope for the sake of all Motorcycle racing fans, for Valentino himself as well, and most importantly Safety of the riders if they are Playing God with the Tyres.

Please lets not turn this into a Stoner vs Rossi thing we have had enough of that.
firstly stner did not have a lot of pressure last year as his race wins and points lead prove, he wrapped up the championship half way through the season. you also say until now he has not crashed in the past 2 years you didnt follow motogp in 06 then ?

lots of thinks have changed since last year.
1. the others have caught up to ducati
2. lap times are faster than last year.
3. stoner has a new bike (carbon frame)
4. stoner has competition this year
5. stoner is fighting his own mind this year because he is loosing, look at body language this year compared to last year.

no dorna conspiracy, just casey and ducati getting beat far and square.

Why would there have to be a conspiracy? Why can't it be as simple as Rossi and the Yamaha have improved significantly over a year ago? Why chase shadows and concoct wild and impossible conspiracy theories when you could be out purchasing more crack. Joking. No, seriously stop smoking crack it is supposed to be bad for you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Sep 1 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why would there have to be a conspiracy? Why can't it be as simple as Rossi and the Yamaha have improved significantly over a year ago? Why chase shadows and concoct wild and impossible conspiracy theories when you could be out purchasing more crack. Joking. No, seriously stop smoking crack it is supposed to be bad for you.


<object width="425" height="350<param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/MEbS81r8rmg&feature=related</param><param name="wmode" value="transparent</param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/MEbS81r8rmg&feature=related" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350</embed></object>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Sep 1 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why would there have to be a conspiracy? Why can't it be as simple as Rossi and the Yamaha have improved significantly over a year ago? Why chase shadows and concoct wild and impossible conspiracy theories when you could be out purchasing more crack. Joking. No, seriously stop smoking crack it is supposed to be bad for you.

Aahh ...., your joking are'nt you

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 1 2008, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>firstly stner did not have a lot of pressure last year as his race wins and points lead prove, he wrapped up the championship half way through the season. you also say until now he has not crashed in the past 2 years you didnt follow motogp in 06 then ?

lots of thinks have changed since last year.
1. the others have caught up to ducati
2. lap times are faster than last year.
3. stoner has a new bike (carbon frame)
4. stoner has competition this year
5. stoner is fighting his own mind this year because he is loosing, look at body language this year compared to last year.

no dorna conspiracy, just casey and ducati getting beat far and square.

+Valentino has realised how to make Casey react so he can just play with him like he could Sete and max