Dorna to kill world superstock
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I am probably one of the least literal people on earth, unless it is necessary to be literal. In this case, I doubt the new regulations will be literally or figuratively similar to Superstock. Superstock is literally stock cams, stock internals (particularly pistons), stock static compression, and stock chassis (including swingarm). These regulations yield a figurative (maybe de facto is more accurate) imbalance in performance. The performance imbalance makes Superstock unattractive for entertainment and promotion purposes. Dorna and the MSMA are battling over this problem in GP, where the MSMA actually want performance imbalances.
I asked Birdman how the BMW team gained an advantage in Superstock bike b/c the team did no such thing. In 2010, when the S1000RR was introduced to Superstock 1000, BMW stomped the competition b/c they had a big stock horsepower advantage. Furthermore, Badovinni and team were focused, while the Ducati contingent were having an epically awful campaign. The same situation never manifested itself in SBK b/c Superbike is designed to equalize horsepower.
I am probably one of the least literal people on earth, unless it is necessary to be literal. In this case, I doubt the new regulations will be literally or figuratively similar to Superstock. Superstock is literally stock cams, stock internals (particularly pistons), stock static compression, and stock chassis (including swingarm). These regulations yield a figurative (maybe de facto is more accurate) imbalance in performance. The performance imbalance makes Superstock unattractive for entertainment and promotion purposes. Dorna and the MSMA are battling over this problem in GP, where the MSMA actually want performance imbalances.
I asked Birdman how the BMW team gained an advantage in Superstock bike b/c the team did no such thing. In 2010, when the S1000RR was introduced to Superstock 1000, BMW stomped the competition b/c they had a big stock horsepower advantage. Furthermore, Badovinni and team were focused, while the Ducati contingent were having an epically awful campaign. The same situation never manifested itself in SBK b/c Superbike is designed to equalize horsepower.
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That'll teach me to post hung-over and without imbibing coffee.... You're right.
I was confusing the Superstock with SuperSport rules. FFS I even got the capacities wrong.
And I agree, in no way will the manufacturers want to build race-spec stuff into the declining market that is 'Superbikes'. My guess is that it'll be SuperSport level rules for 1000s (and whatever Ducati can get away with....).
Anyhoo, never been much of a fan of Improved Touring race-bikes...the racing, perhaps. The bikes, not so much.
That'll teach me to post hung-over and without imbibing coffee.... You're right.
I was confusing the Superstock with SuperSport rules. FFS I even got the capacities wrong.
And I agree, in no way will the manufacturers want to build race-spec stuff into the declining market that is 'Superbikes'. My guess is that it'll be SuperSport level rules for 1000s (and whatever Ducati can get away with....).
Anyhoo, never been much of a fan of Improved Touring race-bikes...the racing, perhaps. The bikes, not so much.
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Been thinking about the whole 250 class as a feeder for WSBK. I think if they go this way it is a big mistake.
WSBK should not be trying to attract riders who are early in their career because this only bleeds National SBK fields and only caters for riders who have big cash to go chasing their dreams. The feeder for WSBK should be the National SBK series from all around the world. This allows riders early in their careers to stay in their home country and race at the lowest cost to them and their families. It also supports the National series. It has been my opinion for a long time that the World Championship series (both MotoGP and WSBK) should be investing money into these National Championships as this is where the stock of riders first get to show their wears. Because this has failed to occur riders have to travel to europe to try to get noticed. The problem with this is, it is only the riders with money whop can do it and it is not always the riders with talent who have the money. How many riders with real talent have been lost to the sport because of the current route to make it to the top?
The next step is what do they race once they get noticed and picked up by a team in one of the World Series? In the WSBK paddock it is most likely going to be Superstock. You can't take a National SBK Champion and stick them on a 250. It would be too larger step backwards and most likely the riders would be too old and too large to really be able to race such small and underpowered bikes.
What should be encouraged broadly is for WSBK & WSS teams to also run Superstock bikes out of the same truck/budget so it forces them to go scouting through the National series. Maybe even a rookie rule so you have to come through the Superstock formula unless you win your National Series which would then give a lot of credibility to winning your National Series and further leverage the scouting process bringing riders from all around the world.
WSBK should not be trying to attract riders who are early in their career because this only bleeds National SBK fields and only caters for riders who have big cash to go chasing their dreams. The feeder for WSBK should be the National SBK series from all around the world. This allows riders early in their careers to stay in their home country and race at the lowest cost to them and their families. It also supports the National series. It has been my opinion for a long time that the World Championship series (both MotoGP and WSBK) should be investing money into these National Championships as this is where the stock of riders first get to show their wears. Because this has failed to occur riders have to travel to europe to try to get noticed. The problem with this is, it is only the riders with money whop can do it and it is not always the riders with talent who have the money. How many riders with real talent have been lost to the sport because of the current route to make it to the top?
The next step is what do they race once they get noticed and picked up by a team in one of the World Series? In the WSBK paddock it is most likely going to be Superstock. You can't take a National SBK Champion and stick them on a 250. It would be too larger step backwards and most likely the riders would be too old and too large to really be able to race such small and underpowered bikes.
What should be encouraged broadly is for WSBK & WSS teams to also run Superstock bikes out of the same truck/budget so it forces them to go scouting through the National series. Maybe even a rookie rule so you have to come through the Superstock formula unless you win your National Series which would then give a lot of credibility to winning your National Series and further leverage the scouting process bringing riders from all around the world.
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It is a sad sad day when the companies are restricted to bare minimums. There is something to be said for these teams going all out in order to make their package faster, better, a winner. Sure there are complainers about Ducati, but if you have a clue, twins vs. fours....ok nuff said. The level of competition is still going to be there as far as riders, but the bikes it will be very interesting in the next few years to see what really emerges out of the dust storm Dorkna has stirred.
