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Dorna says no to Suzuki factory team

Carmelo <strike>Claude</strike> Grinch continues to display his arrogance and vindictiveness. Hes punishing Suzuki for leaving, but hes the ....... who contributed to that exit. I bet Suzuki might (I sure it couldn't have hurt) have hung around had they been allowed to work with Bridgestone during the tire war and with the potential of a bit more success.  But that all went to .... once Carmelo Clause decided to gift tires at the detriment of the rest.  The dude holds all the cards. 
 
How is it possible that this ........ is knocking back further factory involvement.


More prototype bikes on the grip is what the sport needs you moron !!!!


Suzuki would bring with it more fans and more investment.
 
Hhhmmm, I don't know about this one. I think Carmelo might be right. Lots of posters on this site spoke foul of Suzuki when they left. Carmelo is making them play ball with an established participant. A team that has invested in the sport instead of allowing Suzuki to potentially harm the same entity by poaching talent and resources only to leave again if it fails to compete.


I think this is the right decision.
 
Carmelo would rather a grid full of CRT bikes I think? Suzuki fell victim to the financial reality & had to cut costs.


Hence their pull out. Dorna should be welcoming them back with open arms. Strange decision indeed.


So who will jump at the chance to align with them? LCR? Aspar?
 
Suzuki were already running their team through Paul Denning's Crescent Racing entry. If you guys want to complain, will you please find something worthwhile to complain about?


 


The person who may be getting screwed by this development is Paul Denning, who is supposed to return to Suzuki in 2014. However, if Dorna have let Denning keep his entry for a nominal fee, perhaps this development is actually in protection of Paul Denning and the Crescent squad.
 
Carmelo is a .....


Venom drips from my mouth everytime I mention his name.


He once tried to enter a stupid contest but was told 'no professionals allowed'.


The grid is better with Suzuki.
 
mylexicon
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Suzuki were already running their team through Paul Denning's Crescent Racing entry. If you guys want to complain, will you please find something worthwhile to complain about?

 

The person who may be getting screwed by this development is Paul Denning, who is supposed to return to Suzuki in 2014. However, if Dorna have let Denning keep his entry for a nominal fee, perhaps this development is actually in protection of Paul Denning and the Crescent squad.


All that is predicated on whether Crescent owns the 2014 grid spots. Seems too far away to have a hold them.


The question for Caramelo is how a forced alignment with an existing team coerces Suzuki to stay? After all, no bike no team. And Suzuki are the source.
 
I can see his point to an extent, but only a bit. However top tier motorsport is dominated by a lone power hungry dictator (Bernie Ecclestone, Carmelo) who the manufacturers need to stand up to and tell to .... off. Until they do that nothing will change
 
If Denning is kept away from GP this way, then there is at least one positive aspect to it. Denning should never have run the team in the first place - whatever this guy touches fails. His dad runs Suzuki GB iirc, this seems to be his only qualification. He is absolutely not competent enough to run a MotoGP team and to give it positive direction. Paul Denning is Suzuki's Harald Eckl, no wonder they were ending up like Kawasaki did.


 


It's a .... move by Carmelo, yeah. But on the other hand I can understand that he doesn't want to rely on someone who ran away contrary to their promises before. Maybe it's also just a tactical move towards 'factory CRT' entries, like Honda and Yamaha are preparing for 2014 (cost-wise I think Suzuki might even embrace this strategy to some degree).


 


What I really find more than just stupid is that there is 'frozen' number of grid slots. As if there were too many competitors. It's 24 for 2013, half of them CRTs, and surely one or the other will falter before come end of season. So even if it would still be 24 for 2014 - if Suzuki would be granted an 'extra' slot, then it would be 25 or 26 - and if they decided to pull out once again we would be back to 24 again. Where's the ......' problem?
 
Great replies gentz.  I love this place for two reasons, #1 to .... with weak-minded pansies (none of you in that group above, BJC hasn't chimed in...yet), #2, to read some great takes on the sport.  I think some good points have been made by all you guys.  I learn and also reaffirm some of my own opinion.  I agree with the take that Denning is not very good at running a GP team.  I also agree that having a fixed number of entries is plumb dumb.  Suzuki would certainly bring more interest, as there are many fans of the brand.  Also, lets not forget, Suzuki were a fixture in GP racing for many years.  Sure they were not a top tier equal to Honda (who practically wrote the rules for many years) but lets not forget, they left after Carmelo made many moves that were detrimental to their racing program.  Its not like Suzuki were just a wishy washy entry that came and went, they were here many many years.  They chose to work with Bridgestone during the tire war and started to have a bit of success.  Then that was snatched away, rules start to change every five minutes, and that was a bit too much once it was coupled with the economic down turn.  I'm still boggled why Ducati hung around, as all the rules were also to their detriment.  Had they left as they should have, then only two factories would have remains.  To tell Suzuki to flug off doesn't make too much sense to me.  And who is kidding who, Suzuki would have made great competition for Ducati, which at least would have mad the mid-pack battles a bit more interesting.
 
good points guys


 


one question though @ sewarion:


whats wrong with harald eckl and what did he have to do with kwaki pulling out? (not a rhetorical question ,i honestly don't know)
 
Dr No
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All that is predicated on whether Crescent owns the 2014 grid spots. Seems too far away to have a hold them.


 


Maintaining entry without actually racing seems unlikely. However, I also imagine that Dorna have a very short list of private teams who are capable of seamless integration with a factory squad. Difficult to say either way.


 


The situation could be down to money, too. Perhaps the new contracts and revenue sharing define a different split for IRTA teams and MSMA teams. By forcing Suzuki to re-enter via the IRTA channel, Ezpeleta could be protecting the MSMA entrants, who may also have rules privileges. Perhaps, Dorna are now charging an entry fee for MSMA team classification and Suzuki have refused to pay.


 


No telling. I can think of a half-dozen scenarios.
 
a compromise is needed across the board for manufacturers old n new


Ezpletive will be busy in spain tomorrow about 10.am UK with his Baby
 
The idea that there are only 24 slots available on the grid in 2014 is laughable. What is the rational behind this?
 
bluegreen
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The idea that there are only 24 slots available on the grid in 2014 is laughable. What is the rational behind this?


It gives a lot more value to those slots, it's very simple, supply and demand. By doing this he is also saying if you invest in GP your investment will be worth something. 


It's no different than owning an NFL team or other sports team, he's making GP more lucrative. Everyone wins.
 
After spending a great 2011 at quite a few venues with the team,


I have one contact that is still involved, all the rest are no longer there,


I will try to find out what they know ;)
 
hawkdriver
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It gives a lot more value to those slots, it's very simple, supply and demand. By doing this he is also saying if you invest in GP your investment will be worth something. 


It's no different than owning an NFL team or other sports team, he's making GP more lucrative. Everyone wins.


 


I get what you're saying, but given he had to create a class of also-rans to fill the grid, I can't see how they're at all lucrative. I don't see many companies clamouring for a grid spot.


 


I'd be more inclined to think that it has to do with 1) spite towards Suzuki, which is understandable, but also somewhat ...capricious and 2) more grid spots = more money he's obliged to splash out from the Dorna coffers.
 
hawkdriver
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It gives a lot more value to those slots, it's very simple, supply and demand. By doing this he is also saying if you invest in GP your investment will be worth something. 


It's no different than owning an NFL team or other sports team, he's making GP more lucrative. Everyone wins.


 


Supply and demand is fine, but first you must <strike>snatch the pebble</strike> demonstrate an actual "demand" in the first place!


At the moment, half the grid is populated with no-hope CRT teams, several of which are running on a shoestring budget and may fold at any time.


(The great irony being that Ezzy bent over backwards to allow just about any CRT team to join, no matter how (un)healthy their finances.)


IMO, the Zook factory team - even if somewhat flaky - brings vastly more value to the sport than half a dozen CRT palookas.


 


If I were Ezzy, I'd welcome Zook back, but insist on a few tradeoffs.


Insist that they run a 'proper' two-bike team and supply a 3rd bike to a privateer team.


In exchange, they get more fuel and possibly more engines for a year or two.  This technical allowance wouldn't be as large as that offered the CRT teams.  May as well allow them access to the CRT-spec tires for a year too. 


 


The tone of his statement suggests that Ezzy may have acquired a bad case of Berny Envy.  Not good.  Not good at all....
 

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