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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Jul 31 2008, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd be surprised if Kawa gets anything done during this season but you never know...
Well,they have to try something,new handle bars,or new color on the seat?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Jul 31 2008, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well,they have to try something,new handle bars,or new color on the seat?
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Maybe they should change the colour of the bike! I'm sure that purple would do better than green!
 
Hey Guys, I am a little disappointed with Suzuki as well.
I was just listening to soupkast and there was mention of new chassis upgrades for the Suzook.
The reason for the upgrades was that the bike doesn't turn well and the results is excessive tyre edge wear.

This is the basis problem that Hopkins suffered through for a few years on the bike. I can't believe that they haven't gotten it right yet. Come on Suzuki. As many bike that you guys make world wide and you can't get a chassis solution for the tyre edge wear issue?

If this is endemic of Suzuki.. Kawasaki can forget it. Honda has bought all of the good japanese engineers.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Aug 3 2008, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If this is endemic of Suzuki.. Kawasaki can forget it. Honda has bought all of the good japanese engineers.

Maybe they should hire some Italian ones.
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It has boggled my mind for a long time now. Why can Suzuki produce killer road bikes and screw it up on their multi-million dollar prototype? I know the two aren't very closely related, but you'd figure they have some decent engineers working somewhere in the company!! Get them on the MotoGP project ASAP.

I mean come on, last year Suzuki beat Honda to the 8 hours top step. You're telling me they can't whip up a MotoGP bike that can produce some better results than they've been getting recently?

I hold out hope because I really like Spies and I want to see him on a competitive Suzuki in MotoGP.
 
Other than top speed and good styling, what is killer about Suzuki? They aren't know for handling well.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ThePhorest @ Aug 3 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe they should hire some Italian ones.
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It has boggled my mind for a long time now. Why can Suzuki produce killer road bikes and screw it up on their multi-million dollar prototype? I know the two aren't very closely related, but you'd figure they have some decent engineers working somewhere in the company!! Get them on the MotoGP project ASAP.

I mean come on, last year Suzuki beat Honda to the 8 hours top step. You're telling me they can't whip up a MotoGP bike that can produce some better results than they've been getting recently?

I hold out hope because I really like Spies and I want to see him on a competitive Suzuki in MotoGP.
About Suzuki,i think it is all about the engineers and how the racing department is working.
The people,not the money.Look at Ducati with their budget.In my opinion they should worry about new engineers instead of new riders for next season.It sure seems like there is someone conservative chicken .... somewhere high up pulling the brakes on bold idears and so on.
Aren't they just about the only factory having a problem for about a year on average before they do something about it.The competition is moving way faster than that.
I'm hoping for Capirossi/Vermulen and maybe Spies that they are going to transform the bike from one year to the other like Yamaha did for this year.From ..... to one of the best.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Aug 3 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Other than top speed and good styling, what is killer about Suzuki? They aren't know for handling well.

Have you watched any AMA or WSBK races recently?
 
I think they have a very good team and Paul Denning is a good guy.

Its hard at the top and remember chris has only been here a couple of years and only started getting good results in the dry... Capirossi is just making up the numbers like quite a few of the other lumps of dead wood
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Maybe if they expanded with another team to see if they can do any better.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Aug 3 2008, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Other than top speed and good styling, what is killer about Suzuki? They aren't know for handling well.

An old bloke here remembers Schwantz and Pepsi/Lucky Strike Suzuki, one of the best handling packages of the era.
I to don't know why Suzuki cannot get some decent engineers to sort this bike out. Its not as though its been for a season or two, this has been going on for a long time.
Come on Suzuki pull your finger out!!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Aug 4 2008, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>An old bloke here remembers Schwantz and Pepsi/Lucky Strike Suzuki, one of the best handling packages of the era.
I to don't know why Suzuki cannot get some decent engineers to sort this bike out. Its not as though its been for a season or two, this has been going on for a long time.
Come on Suzuki pull your finger out!!!


Good call, the RGV was a fine package, lets not forget that apart from Schwantz, Beattie got some great results on it.

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Aug 4 2008, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good call, the RGV was a fine package, lets not forget that apart from Schwantz, Beattie got some great results on it.

Pete

Beatie was a fine rider. Glad to meet a kindred stroker fan!

Ooohhh, just remembered the toes in the sprocket incident for Beatie. Ouch!
 
I fully agree Suzuki has to pull it together. They are supposed to have a completely new bike to test at Brno. Why they can't build a fully competitive bike is beyond me.
 
It's not just if they CAN or CANNOT, you don't know how much Suzuki spends, Suzuki doesn't exist to win races, they exist to make money, if they think spending more wont make them sell more, they'll just keep on like now.

Also would be interesting to see what that bike could do with a top3 rider on it. IMHO Suzuki riders over the last few years have been quite average.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Aug 5 2008, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Also would be interesting to see what that bike could do with a top3 rider on it. IMHO Suzuki riders over the last few years have been quite average.
Still doesn't explain how they manage to wear out bridgestone tyres which are durable on other marques by half race distance.
 
If I remember right Capirossi said that the bike has to be leaned too far compared to other bikes for the same corner and it was a COG problem. I also remember Kjr saying the same thing and demanding Erv K. be his engineer. Erv did spend some time on the GS frame but he got pulled back into Honda. The bike did handle better after that but the tire wear problem is years old. The new machine is supposed to have a totally new balance.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Aug 5 2008, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's not just if they CAN or CANNOT, you don't know how much Suzuki spends, Suzuki doesn't exist to win races, they exist to make money, if they think spending more wont make them sell more, they'll just keep on like now.

Also would be interesting to see what that bike could do with a top3 rider on it. IMHO Suzuki riders over the last few years have been quite average.
That could be the way they are reasoning about money.I have no idear,but it seems like they find it a little more difficult to solve their known problems compared to the competition.
About their riders,i was kind of hoping that with Capirossi given some time to develope the bike could be quite competitive by the end of this year.But that maybe doesn't happen before 2009 so i hope he stays.As Capirossi has said himself,when he started to develope the Ducati it was almost only good going straight forward,but the Duc. was all new then.Suzuki could sure use his insight to develope the electronics at least.
 
Suzuki have never really been that good about turning data into new parts as quickly as Honda or Yamaha. I agree that Denning runs the team very well but so did Gary Taylor.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Aug 5 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Suzuki have never really been that good about turning data into new parts as quickly as Honda or Yamaha. I agree that Denning runs the team very well but so did Gary Taylor.

agreed, 'zuki have always been slower in turning around new parts. if it had been honda, they would have had that new chassis ready and racing by now, not by brno...they need a big step forward, not lots of little ones...

as for the riders, i am ok with the current lineup. both are race-winners and if the opportunity presented itself, either of them would be able to mount a championship charge. it just hasnt happened for them that way.....but i live in hope....
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