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Contrast Start of 09: MotoGP vs WSBK

Jumkie

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I just thought it was interesting to show the CONTRAST between two stories anticipating the start of each series for 2009.

If I was a MotoGP executive, I'd be frantically working on having a Hollywood ending to this season so that we don't have a repeat in such a dire contrast of media coverage between tales of the tape.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>WSBK: 'In a moment of global economic difficulty Superbike can look to the future with serenity and optimism.'

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>MotoGP: ' looks at cost cutting proposals to help teams and manufacturers in the face of the global economic crisis... here are the possible negative implications of some of the proposed rule changes which could come into effect...It should also not be forgotten that 'cost cutting' almost always means 'job cutting'...

Your thoughts...
 
Wow...that is a pretty sad contrast. WSBK just seems so second-rate though. I don't understand. Maybe I'll have to start keeping track of it though. Seriously, is it possible for MotoGP to go .... up? That would be horrible!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tremulant @ Jan 16 2009, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow...that is a pretty sad contrast. WSBK just seems so second-rate though.

Seriously, is it possible for MotoGP to go .... up?
I remember you said you were new to GP, but have you seen WSBK the past few years? NOT 2nd rate my friend. I doubt its the call for MotoGP extinction, but they are definitely on the self-imposed endangered species list.
 
MotoGP
Moto Gp sounds too much like F1 for me rules/cost cutting etc.
Back in the 500/990 days they had a great product

(the old saying if its not broken. don't try and fix it)

so they went with 800's. and now say 250's being replaced with 600's
too much ........ to me. Dorna lost the plot. i love bike racing its in my blood
sisters hubby raced for years. so to me Moto Gp are in trouble.at this time
as a Main steam product.

Wsbk
well its always looked good to me there was concerns about Pirelli 1 tyre rule.Chit
but its worked out and got to say i think this class it looking top dog
Think i'll get my old VHS Foggy stuff out and watch it
No complaints about WSBK lets see how 2009 pans out
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 16 2009, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I remember you said you were new to GP, but have you seen WSBK the past few years? NOT 2nd rate my friend.

Cool. I guess I'll have to check them out this year. They actually come to the Miller speedway (near my hometown), so I'll have a chance to see for myself. Any motorcycle that can hit 200mph is worth watching, but I sure hope MotoGP sticks around...
 
^With 36 bikes on the grid, I'd say that WSBK would definitely be worth watching on the track...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tremulant @ Jan 16 2009, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Cool. I guess I'll have to check them out this year. They actually come to the Miller speedway (near my hometown), so I'll have a chance to see for myself. Any motorcycle that can hit 200mph is worth watching, but I sure hope MotoGP sticks around...

WSBK and the WSS series that goes with it is great fun to watch. This year is looking to be one of the best. I was at Miller last year, outstanding weekend that also had AMA racing as well. I will be going again for sure, we should definitely have a forum meet up this year.
 
Moto gp was premiere for a very long time just because they always had the biggest names in racing,
but due to all the ........ rules its become a circus. WSBK doent get enough credit a lot of people look at it as a minor leagues of racing. In my opinion its a very entertaining form of racing Because its more realistic because they use bikes that are available to the public (even though theyre way more suphisticated) and they use a spec tire which is why they have differnt winners and closer races most of the time. Its not like moto gp where its Rossi and Stoner all the time and the winner not even being cought most of the time, or guys getting on the podium just because they have the better tires(ex. Laguna 08). In the end I love watching both of them and this year with spies, BMW and, aprilia in the mix its going to be awsome a bayliss come back would be icing on the cake. The only thing im looking foward to in Moto gp is Nicky on the Ducati and possibly the death of pedrosa at any track would be fine. So for me Moto gp going under wouldnt be that bad because eventually there would be a series of true elite level world racing.
 
Given the entertainment value given by each series in 2008, it's not surprising that WSBK is getting more positive coverage. & Who would be so bold as to suggest that 2009 is going to be any different before a wheel has turned? If I was sure what was going to happen I wouldn't want to watch.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 16 2009, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I remember you said you were new to GP, but have you seen WSBK the past few years? NOT 2nd rate my friend. I doubt its the call for MotoGP extinction, but they are definitely on the self-imposed endangered species list.
really is looking like doom and gloom for motogp but wsb was looking shaky a little while back when they switched to pirelli and ducati were threatening to pull out if nthey didn't get there way.
 
If SBK had the GP.com comentators....not one person would SBK second rate or say anything negative i can bet you...

GP should go to manufactured bikes....but with full performance freedoms (prototyping per say)..bike stays in factory numbers (ebgine size and bike deminsions etc)...but EVERYTHING can be replaced or built... like in SBK the guts of the engine can be replaced but they use factory engine block...in GP everything can be built...solid gold engine block if you think it'll win races... say Honda wants to run a v-5 bike...better have a v-5 on the floor before the season or maybe by the start of the next year..
something like that...

anywho..it's early..and im stoned...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jan 17 2009, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If SBK had the GP.com comentators....not one person would SBK second rate or say anything negative i can bet you...

GP should go to manufactured bikes....but with full performance freedoms (prototyping per say)..bike stays in factory numbers (ebgine size and bike deminsions etc)...but EVERYTHING can be replaced or built... like in SBK the guts of the engine can be replaced but they use factory engine block...in GP everything can be built...solid gold engine block if you think it'll win races... say Honda wants to run a v-5 bike...better have a v-5 on the floor before the season or maybe by the start of the next year..
something like that...

anywho..it's early..and im stoned...
WSBK isn't the premier class whilst the very top riders, and your boy vale in particular, are not competing in it. However I agree given dorna's recent track record these guys may soon become available, and your other boy spies is looking like a genius.

EDIT
I am not saying you are wrong. As somebody said concerning this topic, the flamminis are motor bike guys who understand bike racing. Dorna I gather are bankers or accountants or something.
 
well gp has been around since 49 & still is the place all the top riders want to end up. grand prix will always be the top of the pyrimid. back in the 90s gps were having a hell of a time trying to fill the grid as well as seats at the tracks. just a few years ago most everyone, including me, thought wsbk were 2 steps away from extinction. well the pendulum has just swung back the other way & now it seems gps are in trouble. both will be around for a very long time & both provide very entertaining racing imho. i watch it all!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jan 17 2009, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well gp has been around since 49 & still is the place all the top riders want to end up. grand prix will always be the top of the pyrimid. back in the 90s gps were having a hell of a time trying to fill the grid as well as seats at the tracks. just a few years ago most everyone, including me, thought wsbk were 2 steps away from extinction. well the pendulum has just swung back the other way & now it seems gps are in trouble. both will be around for a very long time & both provide very entertaining racing imho. i watch it all!
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I enjoy both, but care more about motogp, substantially because of the history of it being the best against the best with the resultant glorious cavalcade of champions. Motogp has survived the withdrawal of japanese manufacturers(? all of them) before. I don't think it has ever been as highly geared before though, and recently seems to have been organised on the assumption that both economic boom times and the current iconic world champion were permanent.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jan 17 2009, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dorna I gather are bankers or accountants or something.I thought it was gangsters
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Well it seems WSBK is making offers to pull another MotoGP start.

See link for explanation.
LINK


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Melandri has been linked with an unnamed Honda MotoGP team and had an offer to slot in at Marco Borciani's Ducati WSBK team, the latter of which he turned down. (superbikeplanet.com)



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"What is certain it is that I will not ride an uncompetitive motorcycle and I'm not thinking about World Superbikes. I'd rather sit out 2009 and return to MotoGP in 2010." Melandri (crash.net)


I wonder what the phone conversation by Ezy and Marco sounded like for him to declare this? Ah, Marco, always the whiner who wears his immaturity on his shoulder. Uhm, Marco, you were on a Ducati which most everybody believed was 'competitive' and you sucked anyway. You signed with Kawasaki, which everybody believed to be "uncompetitive" and you signed. So you turn down a ride in WSBK, a series on the up? Haha. Smoking the herb early?
 
As long as motogp remains the series that pushes machine development to the limit I will be there. 10 guys on the grid? I don't care. The machine is king in this series. True it takes a special talent, the best talent, to be able to setup and ride them. But the series is all about the machine to me. Sure there is always WSBK but then there is always WWF also. Motogp isn't going anywhere and it is testimony to how great it is when it survives modern sales BS type management and clueless fan meddling. There are many guys on this site that hate MotoGp they just won't admit it.

There are several tiers of racing. Motogp is king.
 

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