Gets a mention on the 'official' site today. Well Valencia would be the perfect track to try it against the 990s, it's more a 250 track than any other. Could the anticipated higher corner speed of the 800s give Loris an edge? On paper it looks like it could, some of you lucky sods might get to hear it too. What are your thoughts?
I think it's a good head start on the 800. Only thing though, I'm not quite sure it's going to benefit in a more exciting racing between the front runners. I'm guessing if Capirossi does use the 800 that he might not be a factor to Rossi and Hayden.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gx6rdr @ Oct 24 2006, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think it's a good head start on the 800. Only thing though, I'm not quite sure it's going to benefit in a more exciting racing between the front runners. I'm guessing if Capirossi does use the 800 that he might not be a factor to Rossi and Hayden.
I would love to see them run together and see what there lap times are. lets wait and see what happens dudes.
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I would love to see them run together and see what there lap times are. lets wait and see what happens dudes.
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its a good idea for testings sake, and would definatley have an edge in the corners ... but wouldn't it lose alot of power in the straight?
Yes it would, but since the straight here isn't all that long the loss would be minimal. I bet they will suffer in acceleration though.
I don't think they will use the 800cc's. Maybe Bayliss or something but not Capirossi when he can win. But then again Bayliss did damn good last time he was out on this track on Ducati.
I think they'll just race 990 and keep the 800 in the garage until Monday/
I don't think they will use the 800cc's. Maybe Bayliss or something but not Capirossi when he can win. But then again Bayliss did damn good last time he was out on this track on Ducati.
I think they'll just race 990 and keep the 800 in the garage until Monday/
It's reasonable to think they might use it, I mean, Capirossi's out of contention, and what do Ducati care whether Rossi or Hayden wins now? it would be good to see how it compares to the ilmor, that is if Mario got his boys to pull all the chewing gum outta the wiring looms so McCoy dosen't have to pit in every second lap.
It'd be an awesome bit of publicity for Ducati if Loris was to bring it in say, 6th, and yes they'd gather some useful data, but they can get that on Monday as Hector rightly said. Thing is, if they race the GP7 and it performs well they're only going to piss off Honda but then, Italians do like to show off don't they so who knows?
Main reason to de-stroke was for safety reasons.
They are trying to control the speeds that the bikes reach.
They are trying to control the speeds that the bikes reach.
Well in theory they have nothing to lose in the championship at this point so bringing out the 800's not gonna cost them anything. But I think it'd be a crying shame to leave that bike in the garage rather than take it out for one last glorious spin before it's retired to make way for its little brother.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Oct 25 2006, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It'd be an awesome bit of publicity for Ducati if Loris was to bring it in say, 6th, and yes they'd gather some useful data, but they can get that on Monday as Hector rightly said. Thing is, if they race the GP7 and it performs well they're only going to piss off Honda but then, Italians do like to show off don't they so who knows?
After seeing McCoy in Estoril, don't you think that would be a bit high, Skid? I mean, McCoy was pitting in like an F1 car, and Valencia might be a better track for an 800, but theyre still up against 990s, which, I think McCoy has proved is a huge advantage. Being realistic I think even Loris would struggle to bring it home in the top ten, don't you?
After seeing McCoy in Estoril, don't you think that would be a bit high, Skid? I mean, McCoy was pitting in like an F1 car, and Valencia might be a better track for an 800, but theyre still up against 990s, which, I think McCoy has proved is a huge advantage. Being realistic I think even Loris would struggle to bring it home in the top ten, don't you?
Judging by Loris' times at Brno which is more of a horsepower track than Valencia, the GP7 is .... hot straight out of the crate. Barring all disasters, that bike could do very well at Valencia. Richo, I think you're being hard on Ducati by comparing Loris/GP7 against McCoy/Ilmor, they're as far apart as two teams/bikes could be. But it's not going to happen anyway so we'll have to wait a bit longer.
I can't agree with you CaptainSnow. The 800 cc. machines will be faster than the 990 cc. sooner than later and so much so in the corners. Richo here said that they will not be lighter either. In other words, they will not be more secure. Security is more related to the design of the circuits, even more than the traction control, for instance.
Technical reason:
The problem is that 990 cc have their power delivery capped to 80% everywhere except in a few straights, all circuits combined. Even that is not enough to prevent tyres degrading quickly because the relatively slow curve speed has to be compensated with sheer acceleration and braking. This means that tyres technology not only didn't catch up with the electronics, it also became absurdly expensive.
Political reason:
Honda is the incumbent and are happy to throw in huge resources to take advantage of changes in technology or regulations. In fact, they imposed this, and the rest have to follow.
Technical reason:
The problem is that 990 cc have their power delivery capped to 80% everywhere except in a few straights, all circuits combined. Even that is not enough to prevent tyres degrading quickly because the relatively slow curve speed has to be compensated with sheer acceleration and braking. This means that tyres technology not only didn't catch up with the electronics, it also became absurdly expensive.
Political reason:
Honda is the incumbent and are happy to throw in huge resources to take advantage of changes in technology or regulations. In fact, they imposed this, and the rest have to follow.
Vespix, I agree with you. They will not be slowed down at all.
I will not be surprised if by the end of next season they are setting lower lap times.
I was just saying thats the reason given for bringing down the capacity. I don't personally believe it but thats the reason given.
I will not be surprised if by the end of next season they are setting lower lap times.
I was just saying thats the reason given for bringing down the capacity. I don't personally believe it but thats the reason given.
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the 800's will not be faster than the 990 next year,..."maybe" the year after but i dought it...they just won't have the drive out of the corners...
It's not brute force that makes a bike quick off a turn, it's driveability. 800's are gonna have a few mph advantage mid turn. Add that extra corner speed to a bike that will be easier to get on the gas therefore sooner to get on the gas and straightline speed may actually be higher. They're not giving huge amounts of horsepower away compared to the 990's. By the time we get to Catalunya next year the terminal speeds will be comparable and lap records will be broken.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vespix @ Oct 27 2006, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Richo here said that they will not be lighter either. In other words, they will not be more secure. Security is more related to the design of the circuits, even more than the traction control, for instance.Sorry vespix, I don't follow what you mean by secure.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vespix @ Oct 27 2006, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Richo here said that they will not be lighter either. In other words, they will not be more secure. Security is more related to the design of the circuits, even more than the traction control, for instance.Sorry vespix, I don't follow what you mean by secure.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Oct 27 2006, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry vespix, I don't follow what you mean by secure.
I meant 'safe', sorry, instead of 'secure'.
I think I heard that the Ducati 800 cc was faster that the 990 cc. in Cheste. They didn't race it to keep Capirossi chances of securing a win intact since he is used to the current acceleration.
I think that the 800 cc will be terribly exciting: compact, manoeuvrable and perky (it will reach 20k rpm I heard). On the other hand I hope that the cap of 20 litres per race will bring a few innovations to make more efficient engines.
I meant 'safe', sorry, instead of 'secure'.
I think I heard that the Ducati 800 cc was faster that the 990 cc. in Cheste. They didn't race it to keep Capirossi chances of securing a win intact since he is used to the current acceleration.
I think that the 800 cc will be terribly exciting: compact, manoeuvrable and perky (it will reach 20k rpm I heard). On the other hand I hope that the cap of 20 litres per race will bring a few innovations to make more efficient engines.
You're right. The safety is all about the circuit. There's no difference coming off a 250 at 150mph or a RCV at 180mph, it's what happens after you get off that matters. The 800 Duke surprised everyone, even Loris. The 20K rpm figure is intriguing. Torque will give way to peak power and high revs and a big challenge for the tyre companies.
