can hayden beat stoner

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Jul 8 2009, 03:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>just the case
when i saw the duc is already rideable for hayden to ride
just what happen if hayden already back in to the front and fight stoner
and i hope it will be like rossi and lorenzo ( if stoner not cry like baby after beat by hayden)

Why do you colour your question with obvious bias? That comment was unnecessary , and makes me wonder if your post is worthy of comment.

PS: I,ve said silly things when I,m pissed. Are you pissed?

You original post was pretty lame. The whole 'Stoner crying about....' mantra is starting to grate.

Nicky's not '.........' (Colin's word for Pedrosa, back in '06) There won't be a need for team orders.
Unless the title race changes dramatically, Nick will not take point from Casey if possible, and will probably be content to ride 'shotgun' if he finds himself chasing Stoner.

Of course Nicky can beat Stoner. Casey is prone to occasional race day crashes.

No

unless casey crashes out, no.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>can hayden beat stoner, if the duc already riderable for hayden

A race or the championship ??

I think it's unlikely hayden will finish higher this season than stoner in the wc, unless stoner becomes really ill and has to sit out races.
I think its unlikely hayden will beat stoner in a race this season unless stoners illness worsens or he has a mechanical. I think Hayden is good enough to beat stoner in a race but not yet on the ducati. I think the true tell of next season will be after this summer break. This break will give stoner time to recover and time for ducati to give hayden what ever new parts set ups he feels he needs.After this break i think we will get a glimpse of what direction ducati and there riders are headed.

Despite being one of my favourite riders (and I hope all the best for him), I think there's too much hype around him. He's clearly inferior to both Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedrosa. He probably won the least deserved championship in the last years, back in '06. I still like him a lot as a rider, but I wonder if he's really that good on a bike, or if it is just a bit over average. All my wishes to et better and better tough

Im a Big Nicky fan but i think Can Hayden beat Elias or Kalio would have been a better question!!!
This year it doesnt even matter if Nicky finishes ahead of Casey in any race because the points differance is so big between them , plus Casey keeps falling behind in the points for the championship race by race. Their is no Rivalry in that team, The only Team mates who are serious rivals when it comes time for the wins are over at Yamaha

Can Hayden beat Stoner? Sure he can.......................... with a baseball bat.

Simple answer to your question would be No!!!!!!!!!!.

Not a chance in hell. Rossi can hardly beat him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 8 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not a chance in hell. Rossi can hardly beat him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 8 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can Hayden beat Stoner? Sure he can.......................... with a baseball bat.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 8 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not a chance in hell. Rossi can hardly beat him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Jul 9 2009, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sorry guys what i mean in the future when hayden already back in the front


But Hayden not back in front, looking hard Hayden get to front!

What you know we not know ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Jul 8 2009, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he will be, just give him a ride able bike and hayden will be at the front, right now he on the progress for the duc so if he already comfortable with the duc, my guess that he can back for the front guy and challenge for wc so someday will be ducati vs ducati like now Yamaha vs Yamaha so we can watch skill vs skill

Once (if) hayden gets back to the level of comfort he was at on the 990 repsol he will be a regular podium contender. Neither hayden nor stoner has exceptional racecraft when compared to the fiat boys, my opinion of course. A straight up duel between the two will be exciting to watch, even if it is over 3rd or 4th place.

I had hoped philip island last year would be a fight between the two but hayden was riding over his weekend pace (superb ride nonetheless in those opening laps) and he couldn't catch Stoner, let alone the michelins falling apart later in the race. Hayden's racecraft isn't bad. As of late he has been patient in his (rare) passing maneuvers and most are textbook moves, nothing inventive or exceptional, but effective. Stoner also has good racecraft, and underrated in my opinion. He tends to play it safe and chooses to maximize the ducati's strengths over the japanese bikes, passing on straights when he still had that advantage, rather than try anything too radical. This orthodoxy of his racecraft is why I think people tend to overlook his skill in that area.

The first question is if Hayden can up his lapping pace to that of stoners. I am not sure if this is in the near future. If we assume it is then the second question is if Hayden really can get comfortable enough this year to risk a battle up front rather than settle for a solid 4th/5th place. At Assen he tried his hand at battling, albeit midpack, but the comfort wasn't there and he made a mistake under pressure and slid out. If he can sort out his lapping pace, then Philip Island this year might just be the place for a stoner/hayden battle (in a dream world it would be for the lead but a podium fight isn't bad). I am really curious how Indy is for a back and forth battle and whether there would be enough overtaking spots for the motogp bike.

Long story short, for a battle a rider needs to be fast AND comfortable, asking him to achieve both so soon might be much.