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Burgess talks about Rossi, the Ducati

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Nice interview with Burgess on GPOne:



Burgess: "Ducati will listen to Rossi"



by Ernesto Emmi





As we first reported way back on September 21st, Jeremy Burgess will continue working with Valentino Rossi in 2011. The Australian crew chief, who will move to Ducati with the rest of the team, spoke about next year's challenge during the Phillip Island race weekend.



"It’s going to be a great challenge and after 31 years with Japanese companies it’s going to be really good to have the opportunity and to do it together with Valentino will be very special - Burgess said - Everybody on out team is of such high quality in their field, there’s no issue with having them stay here at Yamaha if they want to stay here. Again, so many of us came with Valentino and worked together before and Brent (Stephens) and Matteo (Flamigni), who are the two guys who were at Yamaha when we arrived, are now also making the move to Ducati. So at the end of it all everybody had to look at their own situation. So, everybody seems to be happy. Ducati are very happy to have us on board. And when we finally get to sort of, able to work with the bike, after our current term expires with Yamaha, it’s going to be quite good. The Ducati is a lot closer, I believe, than we were seven years ago. OK, times are different. I’m aware of that. the Hondas are going to be very, very strong. And I believe racing is cyclic. I think Yamaha possibly could be in a position it’s getting towards the end of its so-called dominance. It’ll be very strong for a couple of years. Honda I know are going to come back and we’ve seen that with hiring Casey. We’ve seen that with the engineers they’ve taken from us. From the testing point of view, I think we’ll be fine. We don’t have a tire issue, because they’re all the same. Most of the components on the bikes these days are sourced; suspensions and what have you. Experienced, reasonably experienced crew, reasonably experienced rider. The important thing, the main important thing, is Valentino gets his shoulder back to full fitness so that when we come out next year in Qatar we’ve got all guns blazing. Two or three things can happen at Valencia. A, he’s not 100% fit, so is it a fair test? Two, it could be raining for two days after Valencia, anyway. And in most sporting endeavors, and I do still consider motorcycling to be somewhat sporting, if you’re athlete isn’t at full fitness, you can’t expect to win. So you’ve got to be at full fitness first. At least if he’s fit when we come back in Sepang in the early part of February, we’ll get really good quality testing.”



Some are concerned about the vast differences between the Yamaha and Ducati, but not JB.



"It’s pretty clear, and I pointed out to Valentino, that he won’t be riding a Yamaha anymore, so there’s no point in trying to make it like his Yamaha. It will be a Ducati. He likes a bike that has grip and that would be front and rear. But you have to maximize the package, but I can see that Casey and Nicky run quite different settings on the bike, just from observations of the geometry on the bike. I can watch some of these lesser riders on the Ducatis and you can see that the bikes are, in my opinion, unsuitably set for what they want to try and do with them. I’m not saying anybody’s doing a bad job. I see these things wobbling around. When I think, clearly, if we had that issue with Valentino it’d be fixed in 80 seconds, but some riders don’t like the hardness of the bike, because they don’t get the feel. But then when they’re riding around and it’s too soft they’re not going forward either. So you’ve got to be able to create the feel with the hardness to avoid all that sloppiness. I don’t think there are any issues in the bike that are a big worry to me. I think the bike is just a tool to do your job. You sharpen the tool at the race track, you don’t build it. you should be able to adjust it to what Valentino wants.”



The key question is whether Ducati will be able to respond to Rossi's needs that way that Yamaha has been able to?



"It’s about prioritizing things in a way such that Valentino will have a direct link to Filippo (Preziosi). Filippo is then in a position to direct his engineering group. If the engineering group were working on another problem that we had and they’re a week away from completing that, he can pull that first project up and say, ‘no, no, no this has suddenly become more important—get on this first.’ And I think that’s pretty much what we’ve had with (Masao) Furusawa. Rather than going from the bottom up, through the network here of the engineering group through the various different departments and then putting it on the list to get fixed, we’ve had a man there that could basically tell the engineers that they can ‘stop project A because project B has suddenly become more important. And you’ll go back to project A when you’ve project B tidied up or if we don’t have anything coming along.’ And I would like to hope that Filippo will be sort of commanding the ship from right there. I know that Valentino will be picking the phone up fairly regularly, if not every night. And I’m sure that’s what Filippo would like to hear. And you’re dealing with Valentino Rossi. You’re not dealing with somebody you’re not sure of. What I said to Yamaha when I came here, I said, ‘I can’t fix your bike. But if you listen to Valentino Rossi, we’ll go forward. Ignore him at your peril.’ And it’s the same deal here at Ducati. They spent the money to get him. If you don’t want to listen to him, well why did you spend the money?”





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Thats a good interview.

Interesting comments on other Ducati riders wobbling about because of bad set up.

JB must be laying awake at night thinking about all the stuff he'll do to that Duc.



[font=tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif]if you listen to Valentino Rossi, we’ll go forward. Ignore him at your peril. Hell yes![/font]





Role on 2011 !!!
 
4 years of wobble and 80 seconds to fix. LOL JB is the man and I hope he's right but I don't think it's going to be a quick fix.
 
4 years of wobble and 80 seconds to fix. LOL JB is the man and I hope he's right but I don't think it's going to be a quick fix.



try 8 years... and yes God and Budda will have it sorted in no time
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Good read. But if one more ............ says, "Ignore him at your peril" I'm gonna puke.
 
Thats a good interview.

Interesting comments on other Ducati riders wobbling about because of bad set up.

JB must be laying awake at night thinking about all the stuff he'll do to that Duc.



[font=tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif]if you listen to Valentino Rossi, we’ll go forward. Ignore him at your peril. Hell yes![/font]

2011 is going to be back to racing AND 2012 will be a blast



Role on 2011 !!!
 
kinda sounded like a guy wanting his christmas present early. He just wants to tinker with the Ducati.



I think this is the best quote of the read:



So you’ve got to be able to create the feel with the hardness to avoid all that sloppiness. Almost sounds like a ....star talking about a film....LOL.
 
4 years of wobble and 80 seconds to fix. LOL JB is the man and I hope he's right but I don't think it's going to be a quick fix.



While i agree that the JB/VR combination is formidable, they aren't invicible. I seem to recall that it took a lot more than 80 seconds to fix the chatter problems on the 06 Yamaha. And even then it wasnt perfect, and also overheated when running in traffic IIRC.
 
While i agree that the JB/VR combination is formidable, they aren't invicible. I seem to recall that it took a lot more than 80 seconds to fix the chatter problems on the 06 Yamaha. And even then it wasnt perfect, and also overheated when running in traffic IIRC.



Agreed, especially when you consider that it lead into 07 which was even less succesful. The scary thing is to me that when Rossi went to Yam from Honda, he dis so as the number 1 rider ...... not so this time. Still all we can do is wait.
 
While i agree that the JB/VR combination is formidable, they aren't invicible. I seem to recall that it took a lot more than 80 seconds to fix the chatter problems on the 06 Yamaha. And even then it wasnt perfect, and also overheated when running in traffic IIRC.



I would speculate that at least the majority of responsibility for the overheating lies with the Yamaha engineers rather than Rossi and his team.
 
Jerry Burgess and all crew will be released by Yamaha to work with Rossi at the Valencia test next week
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Some off season Christmas reading for the non-Aussies.



I typed this out from the latest Australian Motorcycle News, so please excuse the typos.



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Interview with Burgess



by Michael Scott



Yamaha gained kudos for sportsmanship when it released Rossi from his contract to test the Ducati he will ride next year. I believe the praise was gained quite cheaply. If Yamaha had refused, then it would have looked as mean & nasty as Honda did when it said no back at the end of 2003, when Rossi moved over to Yamaha. But by saying yes, Yamaha not only came out looking like the nice guy, it did so without having given either Ducati or the rider very much to go on.



Rossi had just two short days on the bike at Valencia. A track he doesn't much like for the same reasons as it is not an especially good track for testing - it's slow and highly technical, scrutinising only limited aspects of performance. Front-end fidelity in particular and Rossi discovered it is an area where the Ducati is lacking compared with his Yamaha. Well, Casey Stoner could have told him that anyway after five front-end crashes.



That was the reason why his laptimesput him right at the back. The other was his injured shoulder. Tired & weakened by three days of racing, Valentino was not able to give the Ducati the highly aggressive control inputs it requires to get the from tyre working. And then they all went home.



We will see just how much Ducati learned about how to tailor the bike for the style of it's new rider. And we will also see how quickly Rossi will be able to adapt his own style to suit the rather quirky red bike.



Ducati's changes will be more crucial and more difficult to achieve. Especially in the time scale that means Rossi will not ride again until after the end of January, with only a couple of monthsto go before the first race, which is not long in terms of production lead times. And he will have just three tests under his belt - two in Malaysia and one in Qatar.



Everybody lays great store on the fact that Rossi and Burgess wrought a miraculous change to the under dog Yamaha seven years ago. They took a loser bike and won not only the championship but also, classically, the first race. It's important to give Yamaha's engineers a big part of the credit. All the same, role of Burgess and Rossi , the combination was crucial in turning a good idea into a race winning bike.



I spoke to Burgess about any parallels between the task they faced then and the nw one of 2011. He couldn't think of many. For one thing, the Ducati is a proven race winner while the Yamaha certainly was not. For another, the rider is older and needs to prove the motivation is as strong as ever, but also his shoulder. For Burgess, the shoulder remains the biggest concern.



But the greatest difference lies int he amount of testing available. EVen though Honda refused to release Valentino until after 31st December, there was at the time no restriction on testing and they were able to get straight on with the job. Since the South African GP was not until mid-April, this gave the team more than three months with unlimited access to testing to bring the M1 to a competitive state.



With Valentino laid up recuperating, you might think it doesn't make much difference that no testing is allowed until February. But Burgess would be happy at least to join in with some preliminary testingwith current Ducati rider Nicky Hayden, whose own record on the difficult Duke was a great deal better in 2010 than the year before.



Nicky is fast enough to make such tests worthwhile, opined Burgess, but there would simply be no point in pursuing the same exercise with Ducati test rider Franco Battaini. After all, the Ducati test team has been "testing their brains out" bashing round and round Mugello, Burgess explains. And the only really good result they've had there, Stoner's win in 2009, was in a wet-and-dry race where normal rules don't apply.



"You've got to test with the guys who are going to race the bikes", he said.



Burgess will have another unfamiliar task, however, with the new bike. The Japanese companies, he said, would put a great deal of development work into the chassis.



"But when you look at Ducati, it's not a normal sort of motorcycle in the sense of what most motorcycles companies have out there. It doesn't have a chassis. There have to be other things to work on and adjust to give the rider what he wants. But it takes more than two days of testing to get on top of everything."



It all looks as though at least the early part of the season will be a bit hit or miss for Valentino and the Duke. Don't rule out the hits, but don't be surprised if he misses, because the restrictions on testing, as BUrgess explains, have turned the World Championship into a different sort of game.



"Back then we had loads of tests, but we're there to work, not go on holiday. We embark on improving the level of the sport from a rider's and a manufacturer's point of view… you need to test to do that.



Now it's just a television show. You run what you brung and if you're not ready, well, bad luck."
 
Burgess wants Nicky testing more, which I'm sure Nick wouldn't mind, but someone correct me if I'm wrong here, even after the testing ban is lifted in February, are riders limited to how much testing they can do?

Another thought I had about testing, why not ask Troy Bayliss to come back and test for them, I would think he's probably still faster than the current crop of test riders at Ducati.
 
Oh really. Who called that??? huh huh? My I direct you to my sig below...
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He forgot to mention the 80 laps from Nicky's test.
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Yea I still think he would like Rossi to test instead of hayden but he can't at this point. Both riders should test and I'm sure the both want to.
 

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