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Y'know something said in an earlier post - unexpectedly raised an interesting possibility that no-one
has as yet (to my knowledge) speculated on. What if the combination of Rossi's different approach
to development and his skill at realizing the results he's looking for - make the Duc more rider friendly
for Nicky? Were things to go that way - the whole field of Ducati riders Could benefit. Rossi's hand in
things might just be what Hayden needs to propel him past 4th place on a regular basis. He sure could
use a break.
has as yet (to my knowledge) speculated on. What if the combination of Rossi's different approach
to development and his skill at realizing the results he's looking for - make the Duc more rider friendly
for Nicky? Were things to go that way - the whole field of Ducati riders Could benefit. Rossi's hand in
things might just be what Hayden needs to propel him past 4th place on a regular basis. He sure could
use a break.
Joined Oct 2006
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Tar Heel State
Kesh not sure we will see that in 2011, Nicky is still prone to mistakeswhile racing and on the 800 it's pretty much going to put you out of a battle. However, 2012 and a few more cc's under Nicky with a Rossi/Burgess developed bike, there could be certian tracks where Nick can be tough....just my $.02
Joined Aug 2007
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Not expecting him to be battling for the championship - but with two (grueling) seasons
under his belt on a Duc that in 2011 to some degree could be more Yahaha-ized might equal better results. Sure I'm clutching at straws - but what to do? 2012 is a loooong way off.
And if Nicky starts having dramatically better results after 4 or 5 races - it'll give the
Boppers something new to take credit for.
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I must say that I do agree that sometimes we are all guilty of discussing the politics of motogp a little bit too much instead of focusing on just the racing. That being said tho, there are some things that you just can't deny in the sport. I like to give every1 the benefit of the doubt though. Politics and all that bs aside, I still consider the best rider as the one at the end of the year with the championship.
ANY Time that ^^ happens it gets flammed to .... over unfair cheat allegations etc etc no point anymore
Nice try J. 13 words about the "reality of Haydens denfence". Is that all you have to say about Hayden. But then again I guess it's more fun to open your FUP (frequently Used Posts) file and insert one of your old posts. Two of each of those "Rossi excuses", "Rossi advantages", "Rossi boopers" should cover 99% of what you post here.
Interesting, maybe this is the reason why a slow rider won in '06. The powers probably considered it valuable marketing to let some one from USA win and made it so. Is it something like this that is behind that reasoning above?
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That's because it requires being well informed and a bit more thought. Something rare.
It's alright trev, he doesn't really mean to be to utter .... that he comes across as-its mostly in jest- you only have to have to opposite pov to Jum and you will be classified..........funnily enough he has some very good points on occasion, but unfortunately he now believes himself to be the all knowing messiah of PS responsible for educating all with his rather bias opinion (s)
But like all good televangelists, its mostly hot air only swallowed by a select few, and in this case the few is far fewer........
We only need to look to the promotion of Nicky Hayden to Motogp in 2003, arguably the biggest back room deal ever done.....not really discussed much though, especially by the king (messiah) of conspiracy's
The point is if Rossi and Burgess are employed by a factory, they get all kinds of advantages they couldn't get without a major manufacturer, such as technical support, development resources, and top end equipment. With that in mind it is only fair that their findings go back to the factory for their benefit, its not a 1 way street.
Oh yea, and Doohan vs Criville got 6 consecutive titles.
Jumkie, you know i am aware of the politics in motogp, we've talked about it before. But you also know that i don't subscribe to its overall effect on the results to quite to same extent you (or some of the more extreme conspiracy theorists around). You are suggesting in this post here, that the riders i mentioned who have come to motogp (Pedrosa, Stoner, Lorenzo, Dovi) and bettered Nicky have done so by means other than being better motogp riders. I'd say thats a huge discredit to those men. Lets not forget that Dovi bettered Nicky in his rookie season while riding the satellite bike. Stoner dominated the 07 championship on a bike who's superiority is highly debatable, Lorenzo has beaten Rossi to the title from within the same team and Pedrosa hasn't really been troubled by Nicky since the end of his rookie season, and even then it was close.
if i was that way inclined (as you seem to be) why wouldn't i look at things the other way, instead of concluding that Nicky has been held back consistently for the last 4 years and that he's actually as good as anyone why wouldn't i question Nicky's place on the grid in the first place, or how he won a title with so few wins and 'bad luck' or 'unfair circumstances' managed to strike down all of his rivals. That would be the stand out result that points to something fishy going on. I'm not into that, i think at the top end of the grid particularly, the best men shuffle into the right order come the end of the season.
I agree with this post Tom. Stoner was on a bike that suited him in 07 but still had to ride the thing a lot better than his teammate. Lorenzo was consistently fast this year at 90% of tracks and that won him the championship. Rossi fought to get equal Tyres in 08 and more power through whinging or drama queening as has been put but in the end he only got equal Tyres with stoner, not better, and he had to ride his arse off to win. The cream still rises to the top in each of the respective years and consistently it does. Barring something abnormal affecting results, it will be the aliens in the top 4, noone else.
Exactly, i don't buy that a 4 year pattern of the top 4 or 5 riders can be considered the result of circumstances and politics over merrit while the one standout season where Nicky Hayden was a true front runner is truly representative. That theory is very convenient for a Hayden fan but it isn't particularly plausible in realistic terms. I still believe the rider makes more difference than anything else and although the factors Jumkie mentions cannot be ignored, if they were more significant than the riders ability the sport would be hugely devalued.
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I'm sorry Junkie for being a wee bit cheeky
I love you too.
No worries dude. Its the forum dynamic. We argue, but we all love eachother. You know, like family.
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I love you too.
No worries dude. Its the forum dynamic. We argue, but we all love eachother. You know, like family.
letme borrow some cash carnal
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letme borrow some cash carnal
Ah, my cousin with a credit score the size of his shoes asks me for money once every 6 months. Since your family, I'll tell you the same thing I tell him. 'I would love to bro, but this month has been bad, I just sent in the mortgage and barely had enough for the car payment.' (At which point I'm hoping he'll say, 'ok bro.' He always replies with, 'but you always have money to go .... around at the track with your bikes and .... but you don't have money for your cuz, right?' To which I reply, 'yeah that's because I don't have a unemployed whore for a wife, put here ... to work!' Then we get into putasos.
