Burgess against single tyre rule

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 30 2008, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dudes..they're ....... tires...they will ALL get the same ....... get the .... over it

there will be no advantages..and most importantly there will be NO excuses.
Oh really, they will ALL get the SAME ....?

Here are a few interesting quotes to ponder as MotoGP goes into a "control tire" era:

(As you read, think about the impartiality that Dorna have already pushes and allowed in regards to tires).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"For more than a decade we had an unforced single tyre rule in premier-class Grand Prix racing. Apart from a runaway victory for Simon Crafar and Dunlop at Donington in 1998, Michelin won pretty much everything in sight and had taken the title every year since 1992 with Wayne Rainey, Kevin Schwantz, Mick Doohan, Alex Criville, Kenny Roberts and Valentino Rossi. Their decision to support Honda and Yamaha but charge everybody else for lesser quality tyres eventually pushed Ducati, Kawasaki and Suzuki towards Bridgestone – tyres that even Honda were happy to help develop because they weren’t seen as a serious threat." Randy Mamola


Here is an interesting quote on who might have a lob sighted influence on this "control tire" spec given who is in charge. Randy Mamola speaking on the lobbying by Ezpeleta to coerce Bridgestone to accept or else...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"Valentino, in particular, is the golden goose right now and MotoGP, as a business and a spectacle, cannot afford to lose him. Carmelo Ezpeleta knows this and that is why had no choice but to force this proposal." Randy Mamola


From Speed TV site:

Regarding the previous episode of a governing body president lobbying on behalf of one darling rider or else suffer the consequences. (from last years Bstones drama)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The Bridgestone company motto is “It’s Bridgestone or nothing!” and that is the message Bridgestone themselves got yesterday from Dorna CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta.

Hiroishi Yamaha, Motorsport Manager for Bridgestone, told Italian journalists in Sepang, Malaysia, that Ezpeleta pressured him on Saturday to either supply Bridgestone tires to Valentino Rossi or he would make good on his threat to impose a single tire system in MotoGP (Michelin intends to bid “whatever it takes” to obtain exclusive rights, Ezpeleta said last week in Australia).

Yamada passed this message on to his boss, Hiroshi Yasukawa, the overall competition director of the world’s largest tire manufacturer. It is unlikely that Yasukawa, the man who directed Bridgestone’s Formula 1 efforts prior to the withdrawal of Michelin and the subsequent acquisition of role of sole supplier in F1, has ever received such a frank ultimatum, even from the likes of Bernie Ecclestone. Speed TV

Now as you read this, can you imagine a less fair person to be placed in charge that will have an even handed approach to the riders and what they get in tires?

Who says they can't do whatever they want, they have done it and they will continue to and even under our noses?

Control Tire is good in theory only, but as these are the people in charge of administering this system, I am losing confidence the more I am reminded what a farce the governing body of MotoGP has been and continues to be.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 30 2008, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>YEah I know dude its all Fair and balanced. There could NEVER be any ........ to ever tarnish the record of MOTO GP!
I said JB has not alluded to the championship being fixed or cheating and that Stoner would quickly shout if there was any truth in either suggestion.

Try answering my post rather than patronisingly repeating the unsubstantiated slant of yours.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 30 2008, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Damn it. Just when I felt fine with this idea of a control tire; I am now having a sinking feeling. I suppose my knee jerk reaction was to think a control tire meant everybody would get the same tire and equal the playing field. But now I am having the grim realization that this will translate into having a spec tire for Rossi and everybody else will have to adapt. Its not like Dorna & Co haven't had a track record of favoring one over the other.

Dorna in charge of a control tire, yeah, that will be fair--NOT!


Not sure if you are putting .... on my post or not Jumkie ( ) but you get the main point of what I was trying to say anyway.

My concern with any control tyre is that not everyone will get equal tyres as the tyre itself has to be developed to suit someone or a particular manufacturer. Logic goes that the person who 'shouts the loudest' or holds the 'highest card' will be listened to in terms of their requirements than a lowly 'make up teh numbers' rider.

If this is correct, then the extension is that Rossi/Stoner/DP/Lorenzo etc will be 'listened to' more acutely by the supplier that would someone like West today. Now, it may not even be four riders listened to as the manufacturer may focus on a favourite from years past either deliberately or not, but it will happen.

The manufacturer must continue to develop the tyres throughout the season and in short, who will they listen to when doing this.

My fear is that with a control tyre being based upon the feedback of a few, the gap will actually increase in terms of performance disparity.

Converse to this, if as another poster has said with regards to Pirelli the MotoGP supplier follows a similar path and provides 'raw' compounds we may initially see a closing of the gap for a short time until the cream again risees to the top and gets their personal adjustments right in order to achieve the best results. Whilst many point out that WSBK has 'close racing' it is not always accurate as the 'close racing' is itself between a few of the 'cream' whilst many others struggle and often finish a damn long way behind.







Garry

Wow Jumkie..

You get a gold Star. +3!!! I am impressed.
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I am not for the single tyre rule. Not at all.

We will see who gets the goods next year and who doesn't. In theory we should see if CEII is all that. He will be on the same bike as Rossi/Lorenzo a few races into the seaon, same tyres etc.

I agree. Do we really think that any of the satellite teams will have the exact same goods as the factory boys? In theory yes, In practice... we will see.

I hope Dunlop out bids the whole lot and starts everyone from ground zero

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 30 2008, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>bla bla bla
what i wont to know is, if dorna did say to bridgestone, "give rossi bridgestones or we will go single tyre rule next year" and they conceded to this alleged threat and gave him the tyres .then why are they still going single tyre rule ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Oct 1 2008, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hope Dunlop out bids the whole lot and starts everyone from ground zero


Hallelujah brother!

Here's hoping.

No Bridgestone, No Michelin. No Problems!

Tabula Rasa (the clean slate)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Sep 30 2008, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow Jumkie..

You get a gold Star. +3!!! I am impressed.
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I am not for the single tyre rule. Not at all.

We will see who gets the goods next year and who doesn't. In theory we should see if CEII is all that. He will be on the same bike as Rossi/Lorenzo a few races into the seaon, same tyres etc.

I agree. Do we really think that any of the satellite teams will have the exact same goods as the factory boys? In theory yes, In practice... we will see.

I hope Dunlop out bids the whole lot and starts everyone from ground zero
me too

---Edwards said it best when he quipped that it was in everyone's contract to let Rossi win the Championship............

-----Does anybody know how many riders are still on michelin? Isn't it only like 5 or 6?

Of course Burgess is against single tyre, he's on the winning tyre. Though I'm surprised a bit he's whining about it. He must be really scared of Lorenzo in the same bike and tyres as Rossi.

I love the series and will continue to follow the events as they unfold, but I have surrendered myself to the realization that it is a prototype series with continuously advancing technologies which I think lends itself to racing that will not always be as close and "gloves off" tight scrapping as in the 125s, 250s, WSBK, and even world supersport at times.........

A few years ago Valentino was ahead of rivals but he managed the race and made it look like a race."[/b]]Link

If only Casey had done this, all this drama wud not have happened

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 1 2008, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what i wont to know is, if dorna did say to bridgestone, "give rossi bridgestones or we will go single tyre rule next year" and they conceded to this alleged threat and gave him the tyres .then why are they still going single tyre rule ?


This has already been said on this forum several times, let's repeat: Bridgestone have always been WILLING to supply Rossi and Yamaha, like they are WILLING to supply Pedrosa and Honda. They have worked hard to receive requests like that!!! The rest, like pretending to have to surrender to Dorna's pressures, is just some little theater to save face with previous faithful customers (Ducati) wom they had promised they wouldn't supply Honda and Yamaha.

Now that that deal is broken, no wonder Ducati think to go back to Michelin in order to keep having a tire manufacturer more dedicated to them.

It is because of all this mess that I always said, bring on the control tire. There will still be some games no doubt, but at least less variables.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 30 2008, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh really, they will ALL get the SAME ....?

Here are a few interesting quotes to ponder as MotoGP goes into a "control tire" era:

(As you read, think about the impartiality that Dorna have already pushes and allowed in regards to tires).




Here is an interesting quote on who might have a lob sighted influence on this "control tire" spec given who is in charge. Randy Mamola speaking on the lobbying by Ezpeleta to coerce Bridgestone to accept or else...




From Speed TV site:

Regarding the previous episode of a governing body president lobbying on behalf of one darling rider or else suffer the consequences. (from last years Bstones drama)


Now as you read this, can you imagine a less fair person to be placed in charge that will have an even handed approach to the riders and what they get in tires?

Who says they can't do whatever they want, they have done it and they will continue to and even under our noses?

Control Tire is good in theory only, but as these are the people in charge of administering this system, I am losing confidence the more I am reminded what a farce the governing body of MotoGP has been and continues to be.


dude all that .... you typed is a repeat of WSBK a few years ago with different names... you guys really need to stop watching the X-Files...

Dunlop has been the exclusive tire in smaller classes for YEARS...do you all think they made special tires for Lorenzo? Dani? etc etc...

PS..i say Dunlop in ALL the classes...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (thedude @ Oct 1 2008, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>---Edwards said it best when he quipped that it was in everyone's contract to let Rossi win the Championship............

-----Does anybody know how many riders are still on michelin? Isn't it only like 5 or 6?
when/where did edwards say that, got a link ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Oct 1 2008, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
This has already been said on this forum several times, let's repeat: Bridgestone have always been WILLING to supply Rossi and Yamaha, like they are WILLING to supply Pedrosa and Honda. They have worked hard to receive requests like that!!! The rest, like pretending to have to surrender to Dorna's pressures, is just some little theater to save face with previous faithful customers (Ducati) wom they had promised they wouldn't supply Honda and Yamaha.

Now that that deal is broken, no wonder Ducati think to go back to Michelin in order to keep having a tire manufacturer more dedicated to them.

It is because of all this mess that I always said, bring on the control tire. There will still be some games no doubt, but at least less variables.
yeah, but i wanted jumkie and the other "dorna give rossi whatever" brigade to answer !